lets get some thread titles. footy is kickin our asses this year and clearly reilo can't be trusted with this kind of decision making responsibility
NBA March 2018 OT | Play The White Way
NBA March 2018 OT | Play The White Way
By Kibner Go To PostNot labeling axes on a chart should be a fineable offense. I think the bottom axis is percentage of games won. So, MIL wins about 30% of their games when they shoot at least 40% from 3 while CHO wins 67% of theirs when shooting at least 40% from 3.It was actually percentage of total wins, but my bad for making it the title instead of the x-axis label. Better?
By reilo Go To PostUhm the argument isn't how well Houston shoots from three it's how many attempts they jack up to overcompensate.What do these posts have to do with volume?
Shooting 15/42 (36%) from three for Houston is a winning formula because even if the opposing team might be 12/30 (40%) on the night Houston still has an edge because they are +9pts off of threes.
What I am saying is that chandlerparson's argument that Houston doesn't rely on threes to win a game is idiotic and he should stop talking about it. The reason you see Houston near the bottom on that chart is because they rarely crack the 40% mark since they shoot so many of them.
It's not even about accuracy, it's all about volume for Houston.
By diehard Go To PostRockets are going to be unbeatable if they randomly can't miss from 3
By diehard Go To PostAgreed on the hack-a, but the whole "3 or die" mentality to people who have been watching basketball for decades is just not fun.This shitfight started with diehard complaining about teams getting hot from 3, and the idiotic notion that the teams he deemed to have a "3 or die" mentality were the ones who did. The chart shows exactly how stupid that sentiment is. It's not my fault he backpedalled to make it about volume.
I hate that games often seem to come down to which team is hot from 3. At least seemingly.
I have never said that Houston don't rely on threes, but have repeatedly contended that they don't rely on getting hot from 3, which was diehard's initial complaint.
By chandlerparsons Go To PostHouston are 15th in 3P%. It's really less about getting hot, as it is just taking the most efficient shot. It just so happens without 4 All-NBA calibre players, that shot is a 3.
By reilo Go To PostHouston has played 18 games where they shot above 40% from three.Thank you for proving my point.
The Warrios average 40% from three. They have 31 games where they've shot 40% or better from three.
For a more in depth comparison, number of games above 15 threes made:
Rockets: 35
Warriors: 14
In other words, that chart is trash and doesn't tell us anything about the Rockets because it's all about volume for them which that chart doesn't account for.
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By chandlerparsons Go To PostThis shitfight started with diehard complaining about teams getting hot from 3, and the idiotic notion that the teams he deemed to have a "3 or die" mentality were the ones who did. The chart shows exactly how stupid that sentiment is. It's not my fault he backpedalled to make it about volume.This is horseshit, i never implied that Houston relies on getting hot from 3 to win. I was questioning that the league in general's increased 3 point shooting made the games more random.
I have never said that Houston don't rely on threes, but have repeatedly contended that they don't rely on getting hot from 3, which was diehard's initial complaint.
Houston is 19-2 when shooting 40%+ from three and 13-11 when shooting 34% and under, btw.
"3 or die" was always about volume. You said you would accept it if that's what we told you it was, we did, and you still won't accept it. Move on.
I think I'm just grumpy because I have to be up at 5am. I didn't see the segment, if they're just talking about NCAA profiting disproportionately from their labour then okay, still melodramatic in a country that has actual de facto slavery on actual plantations but whatever.
If they're asking me to get outraged about the NBA's 1-year rule in a world where people with MAs are working at Starbucks, where call centre jobs ask for 4 year degrees, and actually believe their comparison to slavery, I'm not buying into their narcissism. They're not victims in any way, beyond the sense in which we're all victims of the ruthlessness of capitalism/business culture - nor are they owed the life they live.
All those guys who didn't make it? They're us.
Do you honestly say this when CEOs complain about a 1% investment tax hike too? There's a distortion effect in place here because we feel we know and like the players.
If they're asking me to get outraged about the NBA's 1-year rule in a world where people with MAs are working at Starbucks, where call centre jobs ask for 4 year degrees, and actually believe their comparison to slavery, I'm not buying into their narcissism. They're not victims in any way, beyond the sense in which we're all victims of the ruthlessness of capitalism/business culture - nor are they owed the life they live.
All those guys who didn't make it? They're us.
By blackace Go To PostJust because they make more than normal people means they just have to "shut up and dribble" and not talk about things that are unfair for their line of work?
Do you honestly say this when CEOs complain about a 1% investment tax hike too? There's a distortion effect in place here because we feel we know and like the players.
By livefromkyoto Go To PostI think I'm just grumpy because I have to be up at 5am. I didn't see the segment, if they're just talking about NCAA profiting disproportionately from their labour then okay, still melodramatic in a country that has actual de facto slavery on actual plantations but whatever.all those guys who didn't make it get tossed aside despite years of investment and commitment on their end. the guys walking across the stage on draft night are getting screwed because despite all of the magazine covers they hit throughout the year and stadiums they sell out and coaches they help get re-signed, they don't see a dime of it -legally- and due to the nature of that type of thing being unregulated you have all sorts of obvious issues
If they're asking me to get outraged about the NBA's 1-year rule in a world where people with MAs are working at Starbucks, where call centre jobs ask for 4 year degrees, and actually believe their comparison to slavery, I'm not buying into their narcissism. They're not victims in any way, beyond the sense in which we're all victims of the ruthlessness of capitalism/business culture - nor are they owed the life they live.
All those guys who didn't make it? They're us.
Do you honestly say this when CEOs complain about a 1% investment tax hike too? There's a distortion effect in place here because we feel we know and like the players.
but that's the few dozen guys who actually get to that point, a fraction of the players out there. just looking at the NCAA tournament specifically, how many players are we looking at for the biggest college sporting event year after year?
its also ridiculous to assert that all of these guys are majoring in basket weaving and doing nothing in practice. the majority of athletes have to get jobs, chase internships, or pickup work studies as well just to make basic living expenses even while living on campus because the stipend for food can't exceed a certain amount and anything past that requires paperwork/exceptions. even ron artest was working at circuit city and he was a 1st round pick. oh and don't get hurt in college. god help you.
you can't compare CEOs to athletes for tons of reasons, but lets just start on how these guys don't even own a portion of their own image lol
https://www.si.com/college-football/2017/07/31/ucf-kicker-donald-de-la-haye-ineligible-ncaa-youtube-videos
they won't even let a kicker get his
but kids seeing cash because colleges working with advertisers to make sure the proper talent is wearing their shoe is a problem? whew.
By Random Ass Username Go To PostSubtitle: you must be this | | poor to talk about unpaid labor and exploitation..
By livefromkyoto Go To PostDo you honestly say this when CEOs complain about a 1% investment tax hike too? There's a distortion effect in place here because we feel we know and like the players.See above...
CEOs exploit people... Who is some 18 kid with a god giving talent exploiting again? Oh wait he almost has to play for "free" until he is 19 risking body and career.. but yeah let's compare that to CEOs laying people off the leverage against a tax hike.. sounds legit
By chandlerparsons Go To PostIt was actually percentage of total wins, but my bad for making it the title instead of the x-axis label. Better?
What do these posts have to do with volume?
This shitfight started with diehard complaining about teams getting hot from 3, and the idiotic notion that the teams he deemed to have a "3 or die" mentality were the ones who did. The chart shows exactly how stupid that sentiment is. It's not my fault he backpedalled to make it about volume.
I have never said that Houston don't rely on threes, but have repeatedly contended that they don't rely on getting hot from 3, which was diehard's initial complaint.
Thank you for proving my point.
Nothing better than my boy Chandler early morning shaming haters 🔥
By Omzz Go To PostHow many AAYYEEs should I be expectinghe even gets himself T'd up at the end up because he's disgusted at how awful he is
By DY_nasty Go To Posthe even gets himself T'd up at the end up because he's disgusted at how awful he isHe really went 1/11 in 13 min. Why MJ has him on the payroll, idk
By DY_nasty Go To PostAs much as I dislike Lonzo as a prospect, he will never ever ever be as bad as MCW.
how long do you get to be this awful
damn Wade miami vice jerseys are backordered until July
i see Nike doesn't run thesweatshops factories like they used to.
i see Nike doesn't run the
What’s worse, this 3orDie debate every other day or the old days where Kobe was brought up every 10th post
By DY_nasty Go To PostWhy do they keep playing him? I'm sure someone from the G League would be better.
how long do you get to be this awful
Or like Malik Monk or something. Why doesn't he play?
By joefu Go To PostWhy do they keep playing him? I'm sure someone from the G League would be better.
Or like Malik Monk or something. Why doesn't he play?
because he's a rook. bacon doesnt play either.
Who cares if he's a rook? He's probably better than MCW. Are they seriously fighting for the 8th spot, which they're 4 games behind, over developing Monk?
By joefu Go To PostWho cares if he's a rook? He's probably better than MCW. Are they seriously fighting for the 8th spot, which they're 4 games behind, over developing Monk?how dare you question the franchise that gave nic batum 120 dollars to play basketball
By joefu Go To PostWho cares if he's a rook? He's probably better than MCW. Are they seriously fighting for the 8th spot, which they're 4 games behind, over developing Monk?
By DY_nasty Go To Posthow dare you question the franchise that gave nic batum 120 dollars to play basketballBetter you than the Mavs giving him that money lol. Remember he used the Mavs as a way to get the max? Lmao. I'm happy with Barnes compared to the alternatives
I'm confused. I always thought Doc was a bad coach, but I have no idea what he's doing this year with one of the most injured teams this year and a bunch of G-league castoffs....
Also, did Griffin only get 1 rebound in 33 minutes the other night?
Also, did Griffin only get 1 rebound in 33 minutes the other night?
By DY_nasty Go To Posti still laugh every time i see that rose dunk where he bodies dragic
No hyperbole one of my favorite dunks ever. It's the quintessential "don't jump" poster.
By Omzz Go To Post
Morey won
By Omzz Go To PostHe really went 1/11 in 13 min. Why MJ has him on the payroll, idkMJ uses MCW as bait for people to try to talk trash to MJ, opening up the door for MJ to unleash his self-cherished and natural God-given talent(s) to reverse-roast people. Sometimes that opportunity is priceless and worth every penny. MJ been baiting people his whole life. Even gave the greatest HoF speech of all time.
Doc a good coach, but a terrible GM. Honestly thats probably the Clippers downfall, letting that dude GM for them years.
By blackace Go To Post.
See above…
CEOs exploit people… Who is some 18 kid with a god giving talent exploiting again? Oh wait he almost has to play for "free" until he is 19 risking body and career.. but yeah let's compare that to CEOs laying people off the leverage against a tax hike.. sounds legit
I guess I'll buy this if you're outraged at the fact that on average only 54.8 percent of students graduate postsecondary after 6 years, while students collectively hold more than $1.4 trillion in loan debt. And they're falling through because of mental health, depression, financial problems, struggling to get to where they want to be - things that'll fuck your life up way more than an ACL will.
Or if the next time a bunch of republican dentists start making Nazi Germany comparisons at the estate tax or whatever you're with them. Because all I'm seeing are rich guys who didn't have to struggle as long & hard as the rest of us to reach their dream career, complaining about 1 less year of millions which would be more money than most people see in a lifetime.
Like, you couldn't work in Japan without a degree (okay, spousal visa, but whatever). Most people won't be able to earn the money to support a family without postsecondary education/training. Either it's an outrage and unfair for everybody and corporations/organizations/governments should be training us all, or it's just part of paying dues, one of the things companies do to mitigate costs.
I'm totally on board if everybody complaining is prepared to go full radical and overthrow debt peonage. Or just -seriously and honestly - advocate for full ride postsecondary like Denmark or whoever. Otherwise? I'm just seeing idol worship, buying into their own self-inflation and demanding even more frills for lives already more privileged than most any that've ever existed in history. I'm quite comfortable with saying fuck the college sports machine (because heaven knows I don't waste my time with it), but at the same time, give me a break when these guys start making slave analogies for themselves in a world where actual slavery still comes in 31 flavors, including those who make the very shoes and apparel they push.
Wait, hold the fuck up.
Black athletes in America from the poorest of poor backgrounds didn't struggle like kids that got bachelors degrees? LFK, I love you, but you're way off base on this one.
Black athletes in America from the poorest of poor backgrounds didn't struggle like kids that got bachelors degrees? LFK, I love you, but you're way off base on this one.
It’s about labor versus capital. Just because they don’t fit the typical definition of victim doesn’t mean they’re not victimized.
By livefromkyoto Go To PostI guess I'll buy this if you're outraged at the fact that on average only 54.8 percent of students graduate postsecondary after 6 years, while students collectively hold more than $1.4 trillion in loan debt. And they're falling through because of mental health, depression, financial problems, struggling to get to where they want to be - things that'll fuck your life up way more than an ACL will.
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Okay, how many of them generated billions of dollars in TV contract money for their schools through their labor on the court which they don't see a cent of?
Nothing wrong or predatory about any of it. Nor is the mentality of using these kids bodies for unpaid labor. Talk about myopic vomit.
How many of these football players are, through their play on the field, subsidizing lacrosse and golf scholarships?
It's a blatantly shit argument LFK is proffering here, it's not traditional slavery so it's entirely okay that these people have absolutely no rights to their image and their only and paltry form of compensation turns into dust if they are injured. They give their bodies to make those coaches, college administrators and NCAA billions and they don't even get stock or workmans comp when their knee blows out. A small percentage moving on to make millions in the NBA or pros is not even fucking relevant to the issue at hand here, which is the exploitation of these athletes and the ridiculous rules they have to endure. Coach bought you a burger? VIOLATION. We haven't even touched on how much money the coaches make hand over fist either. Bunch of states the highest fucking paid public officials? A fucking football coach.
By s y Go To PostNBA March 2018 | A NYT Opinion column by LiveFromKyotoA challenger appears.
By reilo Go To PostWait, hold the fuck up.
Black athletes in America from the poorest of poor backgrounds didn't struggle like kids that got bachelors degrees? LFK, I love you, but you're way off base on this one.
Two things:
1. Those people being crushed under debt? Dropping out? They're overwhelmingly from economically disadvantaged backgrounds as well. It's not like people in college are all bougie rich folks. It's people trying to get a better life than their parents had, or just hit the minimum requirements to participate in their economy, and spending half a decade of their life - and then at least another decade being ground down by debt - for a shot at being a social worker or an insurance adjuster.
2. You're right to bring up people from marginalized groups - because that's largely what gets me in all of this. The ones who are actually spending their lives dealing with the economic & systemic oppression these guys are trying to pose like they're facing from their perches near the top of the status hierarchy. I guarantee you, there were people who stayed up late to watch basketball last night & saw that segment, even though they had to be up at 4:30am to pick strawberries for $6 a day. That is happening right now to thousands of people in the US as I type this - most of them non-white migrants or others at the bottom of the socio-economic spectrum. Like, there are actual economic slaves watching these guys and their shoe contracts complain about not being 18-year old millionaires.
If players want to negotiate change to the system, say they don't think it's equitable from a labour to revenue generation standpoint, okay. Sure. That's their right, and I'm not one to rage at someone just for trying to be wealthy, especially knowing how ephemeral that wealth is for most players. And none of the examples I've brought up mean that I think the NCAA is therefore fair, it's just another for-profit venture using whoever it can. Like I said, it's when wealthy players start throwing around slavery analogies - while being quite content to feed into the systems that produce actual economic indentureship the moment they're thrown a cheque.
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/249123/76ers-Waive-Trevor-Booker-To-Sign-Ersan-Ilyasova
someone fire Colangelo right the fuck now, jesus
someone fire Colangelo right the fuck now, jesus
By Random Ass Username Go To PostIt's a blatantly shit argument LFK is proffering here, it's not traditional slavery so it's entirely okay that these people have absolutely no rights to their image and their only and paltry form of compensation turns into dust if they are injured. They give their bodies to make those coaches, college administrators and NCAA billions and they don't even get stock or workmans comp when their knee blows out. A small percentage moving on to make millions in the NBA or pros is not even fucking relevant to the issue at hand here, which is the exploitation of these athletes and the ridiculous rules they have to endure. Coach bought you a burger? VIOLATION. We haven't even touched on how much money the coaches make hand over fist either. Bunch of states the highest fucking paid public officials? A fucking football coach.
A challenger appears.
I thought I had cleared this up, but okay.
I'm not advocating in favour of the NCAA. I don't know how you could read all the things I'm typing and think that I must be totally in favour of some student getting in trouble for autographing a jersey or whatever. Or that I think taxpayer-funded six figure football coaches and billion dollar state of the art stadiums aren't somehow an exercise in insanity. The entire obsession with amateur sport in the US is madness to begin with. By all means, go pay teachers six figures and put them on billboards instead.
But you're having a bitchfest for some reason about pros talking about and making analogies to slavery, which is very well is, being exploited for labor. And calling them hypocrites for using that system, how dare they climb up by some fucking means. They're megaphoning how fucked up it is and they're not wrong. But they don't get to have a voice now?
By livefromkyoto Go To PostI thought I had cleared this up, but okay.then make that argument and stop labeling every athlete as ben simmons
I'm not advocating in favour of the NCAA. I don't know how you could read all the things I'm typing and think that I must be totally in favour of some student getting in trouble for autographing a jersey or whatever. Or that I think taxpayer-funded six figure football coaches and billion dollar state of the art stadiums aren't somehow an exercise in insanity. The entire obsession with amateur sport in the US is madness to begin with. By all means, go pay teachers six figures and put them on billboards instead.
you really acting like student athletes can't play ball and be broke at the same time or that they're somehow immune to the same problems the rest of the student body has