By Freewheelin Go To PostYeah I don't understand why anyone WOULDN'T go to LG or Panasonic for OLEDs; they're clearly the best in the business and offer the most bang for your bucks.
Unfortunately Panasonic isn't available in the US, otherwise they would be the go to for an enthusiast TV buyer. Sony's processing is what you're paying for, and to some, primarily movie watchers, that is worth the price difference. In the States the price difference between the 65'' A8H and LG CX is $500.
What's really fucking annoying is the HDMI 2.1 situation on the Sony's. You're paying more for a more "premium" OLED experience, yet it doesn't offer HDMI 2.1, whereas the LG OLED does. Yet Sony's mid range LED DOES offer HDMI 2.1
It makes zero sense. Only thing I can think of is the X1 processor maybe not playing nice for whatever reason as you go up its chain(i.e X1 Ultimate vs the standard X1).
By Kibner Go To PostAre you comparing LEDs to OLEDs? There is a world of difference in black levels and max brightness between the two. OLEDs are significantly more expensive than LED panels.I didn't think you were, I know that OLED is a step-up, just not sure its worth the additional 1k.
e: if this came off harsh or sarcastic, it was not meant that way. i don't know exactly which tv's you are comparing against so i had to guess
I was comparing the C9 at £1.600k
to another LG LED - at £600
The price difference was just so jarring.
By Daz Go To PostI didn't think you were, I know that OLED is a step-up, just not sure its worth the additional 1k.If you have a critical eye, view content that has a lot of dark scenes, or view a lot of HDR content, the OLED is definitely worth the price increase. The blacks and near-blacks are actually what they are supposed to be, making those kinds of scenes both more realistic and have a bigger "pop" to them.
I was comparing the C9 at £1.600k
to another LG LED - at £600
The price difference was just so jarring.
LED's still require a panel backlight to make the pixels visible. The better ones have backlights placed in various locations around the screen to make the HDR effect better by making those parts of the screen brighter than others. The more of these backlight "zones", the better the effect. But they can't do it on a per-pixel basis so you get a kind of halo effect where that entire "zone" is lit up and so are the edges of the zones next to it. Can give a bad HDR image when different parts of the screen are different brightness levels (or if you have subtitles on during a dark scene). This also leads into why the blacks are worse because they still need to be lit up by a backlight, making them more various shades of (dark) grey.
OLED's, by their nature, have per-pixel backlighting. This leads to much better color accuracy, HDR, and black levels. Their biggest weaknesses are their max brightness is relatively low compared to LEDs (so don't use them in a room with a lot of direct lighting) and they can suffer from image retention/burn-in if you use them as a computer monitor.
oled is one of those things that's truly a step up and not a refinement. all tvs after my oled were better but never wowed me as much as i went from lcd to oled for the first time. it's like an ssd on a pc, something that changed game.
OLED is the only reason I upgraded to 4K from my Panny 1080 Plasma. I was quite content with a plasma and still am in my bedroom. That TV rocks. I remember seeing OLED live for the first time next to an QLED or something like that and I stopped dead in my tracks and said that's the upgrade I've been waiting for. Of course I had to wait until prices were semi reasonable. This last winter was it. So glad I did. HDR gaming wew.
Box is fucking enormous. Gonna wait for the Denon to arrive before I start setting it up. Hopefully tomorrow. In the meantime, if any C9 owners could point me to a (gaming) settings thread or something of the sort, I'd very much appreciate it.
Also managed to sell my old Bravia in record time. 300€ felt like half-gifting it, but ain't nobody got time. Doubt I could've got more for it anyway.
Two things:
First
Home Theater 2019
It's 2020, come on Kib
Second
Rollable OLED, 8k, 120hz Ears
This has not aged well
First
Home Theater 2019
It's 2020, come on Kib
Second
Rollable OLED, 8k, 120hz Ears
This has not aged well
Zabo, welcome to the LG C9 gang.
Also, make sure to have help mounting it on its stand. That stand is a PAIN IN THE GIANT FUCKING ASS to get mounted on. It's supremely heavy and extremely sturdy. The TV is heavy but you gotta be careful not to flex it as it's so thin. Take some time figuring out how to mount it on there, it's not straight forward.
Also, make sure to have help mounting it on its stand. That stand is a PAIN IN THE GIANT FUCKING ASS to get mounted on. It's supremely heavy and extremely sturdy. The TV is heavy but you gotta be careful not to flex it as it's so thin. Take some time figuring out how to mount it on there, it's not straight forward.
Help will be had, don't worry. Sucker is getting wall mounted tho. Hopefully the mount I was using with the Sony will be adequate.
I will proceed with extreme caution. :prayingemoji:
I will proceed with extreme caution. :prayingemoji:
By Zabojnik Go To PostI've been using these: https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/c9-oled/settings
Box is fucking enormous. Gonna wait for the Denon to arrive before I start setting it up. Hopefully tomorrow. In the meantime, if any C9 owners could point me to a (gaming) settings thread or something of the sort, I'd very much appreciate it.
Also managed to sell my old Bravia in record time. 300€ felt like half-gifting it, but ain't nobody got time. Doubt I could've got more for it anyway.
They're good, but you might want to tweak them yourself. I find the expert mode a bit to warm and have to reign the reds in a bit
Yeah I actually didn't like some of the settings. Most things I've read about the C9 HDR accuracy out of the box is good too. Nobody seem to even want you to adjust the dolby vision setting. I did end up using their setting for standard def TV though.
The C9 makes it very difficult and cumbersome to update all of those colors, plus they vary room to room and panel to panel. You might as well pay a professional to calibrate it.
I'll check Rtings' settings, thanks. Also found some other sources. I'll be fine. No way I'm paying 300-400€ to have it calibrated, except maybe if Vincent Teoh were to jump on a plane, tho in that case I'd really be paying for his sensual accent and sexual innuendos.
By reilo Go To PostThe C9 makes it very difficult and cumbersome to update all of those colors, plus they vary room to room and panel to panel. You might as well pay a professional to calibrate it.
Interestingly enough, I called a bunch of local places and they all said HDR color programming was a waste. Especially for Dolby vision. Basically only Best Buy wanted my money 🤔
Like I’m not even sure Dolby has released testing standards for their format, which is dynamic so ...
By Daz Go To PostHow important is 120hz and HDMI 2.1?Not that important right now, but it will be in the future with PS5 and XSX
By Daz Go To PostHow important is 120hz and HDMI 2.1?If you game on the display, pretty dang important. More so if the games benefit from quick reaction times. HDMI 2.1 will also bring variable refresh rate (like freesync and gsync) which will be big even when the max fps is 60.
If you do not game on the display, the biggest things I can see is the ARC being able to transmit the full-resolution Atmos (and other 3D sound formats) signal and the ability for Dynamic HDR without the need for a proprietary format like Dolby Vision or HDR10+.
You are limited to 4k@60hz with HDMI 2.0.
By Fenderputty Go To PostYeah I actually didn't like some of the settings. Most things I've read about the C9 HDR accuracy out of the box is good too. Nobody seem to even want you to adjust the dolby vision setting. I did end up using their setting for standard def TV though.
You shouldn't adjust anything for the HDR settings. Unless its just too bright or something .
By Smokey Go To PostYou shouldn't adjust anything for the HDR settings. Unless its just too bright or something .
Yeah this is pretty much what I’ve read. I think RTings had dark room as the most accurate base and then they tweeted some things IIRC for standard TV.
Thinking about it, I bet 30-40 percent of my TV consumption is in some form of HDR with Netflix and Prime shoes being my major sources of content. When HBO catches on and more things expand, I bet it will be better over 50% in a couple years. When sports catches on .... wew
By Freewheelin Go To PostNot that important right now, but it will be in the future with PS5 and XSX
By Kibner Go To PostIf you game on the display, pretty dang important. More so if the games benefit from quick reaction times. HDMI 2.1 will also bring variable refresh rate (like freesync and gsync) which will be big even when the max fps is 60.I see...
If you do not game on the display, the biggest things I can see is the ARC being able to transmit the full-resolution Atmos (and other 3D sound formats) signal and the ability for Dynamic HDR without the need for a proprietary format like Dolby Vision or HDR10+.
You are limited to 4k@60hz with HDMI 2.0.
And the C9 everyone seems to be in love with supports both these?
I have tried looking up the specs, but they dont make any of this TV stuff easy.
By Daz Go To PostI see…According to some reviews, the C9 does have HDMI 2.1 and can go up to 120hz.
And the C9 everyone seems to be in love with supports both these?
I have tried looking up the specs, but they dont make any of this TV stuff easy.
e: and, yes, looking up a lot of this stuff can be dumb annoying. same with PC monitors. https://www.rtings.com is one of the better review sites for this kind of thing
I hate it when i research tech devices and i can't find the one device that needs all my expectation and is in budget. Worst is notebook shopping.
By Daz Go To PostI see…
And the C9 everyone seems to be in love with supports both these?
I have tried looking up the specs, but they dont make any of this TV stuff easy.
The C9, and CX by extension are some of, if not the most, future proofed TVs you can buy today.
Supports Gsync
HDMI 2.1 on all ports (C9)
120hz capability
HDMI VRR
13.3 ms input lag (lowest in the market)
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-best-4k-tvs-for-hdr-gaming-7009
By Smokey Go To PostThe C9, and CX by extension are some of, if not the most, future proofed TVs you can buy today.Damn, you are all correct,
Supports Gsync
HDMI 2.1 on all ports (C9)
120hz capability
HDMI VRR
13.3 ms input lag (lowest in the market)
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-best-4k-tvs-for-hdr-gaming-7009
I really want the 65 incher, but it seems to be out of reach price-wise.
By Linius Go To PostCongrats on the new setup Zabo! Would love to see pics when all is set and doneWill post them when I'm done, which should be later today. The Denon has arrived.
It's a pretty humble setup, ennobled by the C9.
My TV room is a pretty narrow, maybe about 2.5-3m across. I really need to figure out what I want to do with sound.
I have a Yamaha RX-V577 driving a couple of bookshelf speakers. The C9 connects to it by ARC, but I don't know that a full surround setup makes sense in such a small room.
My folks want to take the receiver off my hands, but I don't know what to replace it with if I do.
I have a Yamaha RX-V577 driving a couple of bookshelf speakers. The C9 connects to it by ARC, but I don't know that a full surround setup makes sense in such a small room.
My folks want to take the receiver off my hands, but I don't know what to replace it with if I do.
Even in a small room a full 5.1 will create a great immersive experience. Just have to make sure you got everything set-up right and don't go for huge towers. Also room treatment will help you go a long way acoustically.
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By Linius Go To PostEven in a small room a full 5.1 will create a great immersive experience. Just have to make sure you got everything set-up right and don't go for huge towers. Also room treatment will help you go a long way acoustically.Worth thinking about something Atmos enabled?
By Zabojnik Go To PostWill post them when I'm done, which should be later today. The Denon has arrived.Zabo was a Slaent Elite this whole time?
It's a pretty humble setup, ennobled by the C9.
If you have the possibility to actually mount them into your ceiling I'd say yes. If you're gonna go down the atmos enabled speaker way and want to put them on the sides of the room it depends a bit. Could quickly feel like overkill I think. If you actually have them in the ceiling they'll provide the extra information you want from the right angle so it sounds more natural and not so distracting. Most audio shops have a decent return policy though, so I bet it's possible to buy them and return them afterwards if it's not working out as you wished. At least at my store we do that.
65 inch C9's go for decent prizes these days because the 2020 model is about to hit the streets. We recently sold our shop model 65 inch C9 but due to problems on LG's end with the 2020 model we ended up getting a new C9 again in our high end room. Hopefully they get that sorted shortly.
By Daz Go To PostZabo was a Slaent Elite this whole time?
65 inch C9's go for decent prizes these days because the 2020 model is about to hit the streets. We recently sold our shop model 65 inch C9 but due to problems on LG's end with the 2020 model we ended up getting a new C9 again in our high end room. Hopefully they get that sorted shortly.
I made a very hard adulting decision and passed on that incredible C9 deal I posted a few days ago, and put those funds towards something more beneficial. Was extremely tempted , but I've got to ride my B6 out a little longer.
By Linius Go To PostIf you have the possibility to actually mount them into your ceiling I'd say yes. If you're gonna go down the atmos enabled speaker way and want to put them on the sides of the room it depends a bit. Could quickly feel like overkill I think. If you actually have them in the ceiling they'll provide the extra information you want from the right angle so it sounds more natural and not so distracting. Most audio shops have a decent return policy though, so I bet it's possible to buy them and return them afterwards if it's not working out as you wished. At least at my store we do that.Send me your best C9 quotes - I am moving into an apartment in the Autumn, if all things go according to plan - would love to be Next gen ready.
65 inch C9's go for decent prizes these days because the 2020 model is about to hit the streets. We recently sold our shop model 65 inch C9 but due to problems on LG's end with the 2020 model we ended up getting a new C9 again in our high end room. Hopefully they get that sorted shortly.
By Smokey Go To PostI made a very hard adulting decision and passed on that incredible C9 deal I posted a few days ago, and put those funds towards something more beneficial. Was extremely tempted , but I've got to ride my B6 out a little longer.
Get a better paying job you bum.
By Dipro Go To PostGet a better paying job you bum.
Why do u hate black people
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Rtings is starting to open back up
By Adam Go To PostZabo is the true SLAENT elite.
What happened, Smokey-chan?
bought a switch and then begged dipro for a free copy of Mario.
So uh, the CX seems to be a real disappointment (compared to the C9). Somebody at avs forum paid for the early access review or whatever for RTings
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-oled-technology-flat-panels-general/3119288-2020-lg-oled-cx-gx-owner-s-thread-faq-posts-1-6-no-price-talk-130.html
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-oled-technology-flat-panels-general/3119288-2020-lg-oled-cx-gx-owner-s-thread-faq-posts-1-6-no-price-talk-130.html
Ok, CX vs C9, according to RTINGS measurements…
Borders: C9 0.37" CX 0.35…CX has a hair thinner borders (new panel?)
Thickness: C9 1.87" CX 1.93"….CX is slightly thicker
SDR Peak Brightness: C9 scores 7.7, CX also 7.7…CX is barely dimmer in real scene (335cdm2 vs 321 cdm2) but brighter (barely) across the board in all other SDR windows
HDR Peak Brightness: C9 7.7, CX 7.6…real scene C9 is 726cdm2 vs CX 685cdm2. Across the board CX is dimmer, but only in the 2-25% windows (30-60 nits)..rest of the windows are close
Viewing Angle: C9 8.8, CX 8.4…viewing angles slightly worse on CX
Gray Uniformity: C9 8.6, CX 8.4…CX slightly worse
Refections: same, 9.3
Pre Calibration: C9 7.6, CX 8.3
Post Calibration: C9 9.5, CX 9.6
Color Gamut: C9 8.6 (DCI P3 x9 97.21, DCI P3 uv 98.68) CX 8.6 (DCI P397.32, DCI P3 uv 98.71)
Color Volume: C9 7.3 (Normalized DCI P3 Coverage ITP 84.6 % 10,000 cd/m² DCI P3 Coverage ITP 46.8 %) CX 7.1 (Normalized DCI P3 Coverage ITP 80.6 % 10,000 cd/m² DCI P3 Coverage ITP 44.2 %)…CX slightly worse
Rec 2020: basically equal
Gradient: C9 9.0, CX 8.6…CX worse
BFI: C9 8.7 CX 10.0
Stutter: C9 5.0, Cx 4.8…CX slightly worse
VRR: C9 not tested, CX 7.9
Input Lag: both scored 9.7, nearly identical
CX scored slightly better in sound
So, I gotta be honest…im..disappointed maybe? Fellow CX owners, any thoughts here?
By Veckrot Go To PostWhat’s the consensus on the wallpaper tv? The LG OLED65G8 in particular.
The consensus is you're paying for the exact same picture as a B or C series. There is no additional PQ gain. For all of the OLEDs beyond the C series, you're paying for aesthetics.
The G series isn't a part of the wallpaper line. Those are (were) the "W" series.
The 2020 models have the GX line, which replaced the E series of years prior, and effectively does the same thing as the W series, except the ports are built into the TV, and not a sound bar. The W series will still be around for people who still want the sound bar.
By Smokey Go To PostThe consensus is you're paying for the exact same picture as a B or C series. There is no additional PQ gain. For all of the OLEDs beyond the C series, you're paying for aesthetics.Thanks honorable SL&ENT forum member.
The G series isn't a part of the wallpaper line. Those are (were) the "W" series.
The 2020 models have the GX line, which replaced the E series of years prior, and effectively does the same thing as the W series, except the ports are built into the TV, and not a sound bar. The W series will still be around for people who still want the sound bar.