Bought a cheap soundbar, YAS 207, late last year and it's such a huge upgrade over TV audio. The DTS Virtual X is such a big upgrade for gaming, and my living room is perfect for it as it's an L shaped room and the TV set goes straight into the deeper end and the walls serve as an amplifier for the sound bar. It really feels like the sounds are coming from multiple directions, which is crazy as the soundbar cost me less than 300 euros.
DTS Virtual X doesn't work as good with movies, but the standard 5.1 DTS sounds pretty fucking good too and DD+ ain't half bad.
DTS Virtual X doesn't work as good with movies, but the standard 5.1 DTS sounds pretty fucking good too and DD+ ain't half bad.
ay yo the CX is a downgrade over the C9 jfc LG:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarcher/2020/05/04/lgs-2020-4k-oled-and-lcd-tvs-dont-support-full-hdmi-21/#5af5c0966276
2021 it is, then. I am not going to spent thousands for a half baked hdmi 2.1 solution that goes backwards from an earlier model. wtf.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarcher/2020/05/04/lgs-2020-4k-oled-and-lcd-tvs-dont-support-full-hdmi-21/#5af5c0966276
“While LG covered most of the HDMI 2.1 related specs in its 2019 TVs, including full bandwidth support in all of the HDMI ports for its 4K and 8K TVs, the market situation evolution indicated that real content that requires 48Gbps is not available in the market.
Based on market situation, LG decided to re-allocate the hardware resources of 2020 chipsets optimizing for AI functions including CPU&GPU and supporting full bandwidth in only 2 ports of 2020 8K TV series (ZX series, NANO99, NANO97, NANO95). And the rest of the ports of 8K TVs and all HDMI 2.1 ports of 4K TVs have lower bandwidth than 48 Gbps but support up to 4K 120P 4:4:4/RGB 10bit. We apologize for not flagging this earlier to you.”
2021 it is, then. I am not going to spent thousands for a half baked hdmi 2.1 solution that goes backwards from an earlier model. wtf.
And there's this
https://www.reddit.com/r/bravia/comments/g81hkw/x950g_x950g_and_x900h_will_all_get_hdmi_21_via/
wtf are both of these companies doing
especially sony
https://www.reddit.com/r/bravia/comments/g81hkw/x950g_x950g_and_x900h_will_all_get_hdmi_21_via/
His post yesterday clarifies the situation with the latest facts:
"The X950G, X950H, and X900H all have HDMI 2.1 mainboards in the TVs. Sony has crippled all of these TVs at the firmware level. People need to be aware of this, and call Sony out on their lies. I have the service repair manuals for every Sony TV since 2014, which includes the schematics for all of the internal parts."
wtf are both of these companies doing
especially sony
By Smokey Go To Postay yo the CX is a downgrade over the C9 jfc LG:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarcher/2020/05/04/lgs-2020-4k-oled-and-lcd-tvs-dont-support-full-hdmi-21/#5af5c0966276
2021 it is, then. I am not going to spent thousands for a half baked hdmi 2.1 solution that goes backwards from an earlier model. wtf.
Why do you need more than one port on the TV? No receiver?
By Smokey Go To Posthuh?
ALL of the 4k hdmi 2.1 ports are a downgrade from the C9.
Ohhh I read that completely wrong ...
I read it as though they fixed the 2019 issues in the 2020 sets for some reason.
Re-reading that, aren't the panels 10bit anyway, so why would they need the bandwidth for full 12bit?
By Freewheelin Go To PostAny difference between the LG C9 and B9? (Apart from price)Yeah
Slightly higher peak brightness, slightly faster processor so better upscaling too and a little less banding.
The B9 looks incredible in person though, the differences are fine margins.
By JesalR Go To PostRe-reading that, aren't the panels 10bit anyway, so why would they need the bandwidth for full 12bit?Yes, 40gigs is all that's needed for 4k 120hz 4:4:4 10-bit HDR. It's a non-issue.
Here's a cool video (from last year) directly comparing the Samsung QLED vs OLED, playing games., with the TVs stacked. The video itself is also in 4k and HDR which is dope.
By Zabojnik Go To PostYes, 40gigs is all that's needed for 4k 120hz 4:4:4 10-bit HDR. It's a non-issue.Not quite a non-issue, given that two of the ports seem to be 8bit max :/
By JesalR Go To PostNot quite a non-issue, given that two of the ports seem to be 8bit max :/Fair point, not something that bothers me, since I'll be using a receiver.
Which reminds me that I should probably start looking into bang for buck 4K HDR receivers. Man, getting rid of my current 55" 1080p Sony Bravia and 7.1 receiver is going to be a lesson in depreciation. Paid 1300€ for the TV like 5 years ago, I'll be lucky to get, what, 200-300€ for it, if that, and I might as well gift the receiver.
Edging ever closer to pulling the trigger on the 65" C9.
HDMI tying audio in with the video makes it so much more difficult to use separate audio devices to handle different things. One of the reasons I'm not too bothered by staying with stereo since I can just use optical out from the TV and have it go right into my dac/dsp and from there to my amp and then my speakers. That chain will last a hell of a lot longer than any receiver that does all of it will.
I think I had my last receiver for close to a decade. I replaced it because it broke. It’s replacement is in my bedroom with the old plasma.
I could see how wanting to use a bunch of different sound devices could become problematic though since it passes both. I mean I would imagine there’s solutions to that but they’re all super expensive haha.
I could see how wanting to use a bunch of different sound devices could become problematic though since it passes both. I mean I would imagine there’s solutions to that but they’re all super expensive haha.
I just like having each stage as a different, replaceable/upgradable part. Makes it easier to tweak or experiment with and much easier and cheaper to replace any particular broken piece instead of having to replace a big do-everything box.
And, yeah, there are solutions around that problem, but they are expensive (like you said) and would also need replacement or upgrade anytime the HDMI standard changes.
And, yeah, there are solutions around that problem, but they are expensive (like you said) and would also need replacement or upgrade anytime the HDMI standard changes.
Having a standalone A/V receiver definitely helps. Didn't realize how much I missed a quality component like that until I bought one for my TV.
While it doesn't reach the 8K specification of Sony's Z8H OLED, it also won't reach quite the same seismic pricing – and you'll be able to get your hands on the A8H for £1,799 (for the 55-inch model) or £2,799 (for the 65-inch model). That's a huge cut below the launch price of last year's equivalent model, the A9G OLED, which started as $2,500 / £2,299 for its smallest 55-inch size.Smokey
https://www.sony.com/electronics/televisions/xbr-a8h-series
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/sony-55-class-oled-a8h-series-smart-4k-uhd-tv-with-hdr/6401199.p?acampID=614286&irclickid=RrIWsSR1ixyOTOD0EkzjZTwgUkizPPwxRwEZRM0&irgwc=1&loc=RrIWsSR1ixyOTOD0EkzjZTwgUkizPPwxRwEZRM0&mpid=78091&ref=198&skuId=6401199
What's the peak brightness on these Sony OLEDs compared to LG's offerings (C9 and above)? About the same, I reckon?
Which models are using the master panel, if any?
Which models are using the master panel, if any?
By Kibner Go To PostI'm ashamed to admit I don't know what a master panel is.
Master panel, custom professional edition panel, whatever. It's basically an OLED panel with a beefy heatsink, has lower ABL, which allows it to reach a higher peak brightness.
Man TCL 6 series getting its title challenged by Hisense H9F/G and the Vizio P Quantum X line is sad to see... but when you build an updated TV on the same generation that isn't even a clear improvement on the TV you were upgrading from that's never good. I don't get how the R625 look worse on some things than the R617 (older model)
Well, I found a buyer for my ageing Sony receiver as soon as I put it up for sale, so I guess the wheels are now officially in motion. Getting a Denon AVR-X1600H to replace it later today, should be plenty to run my lowly 3.1 Wharfedale config (Diamond 10.1 bookshelf speakers, Diamond 10.CS center speaker and a SPC10 active subwoofer) and possibly, if unlikely, an expanded surround later down the line. The smart choice would be to wait for HDMI 2.1 receivers, but since eARC is supported on the Denon I won't really be missing out on anything come PS5 / PC.
Step two is getting rid of my trusty Sony Bravia KDL-55W828B, which I imagine won't be quite as fast and easy, but it's gotta go.
LG C9 65" is getting ordered in the next 48h, lads. Yolo.
Step two is getting rid of my trusty Sony Bravia KDL-55W828B, which I imagine won't be quite as fast and easy, but it's gotta go.
LG C9 65" is getting ordered in the next 48h, lads. Yolo.
I've had the Sony receiver for exactly 6 years, sold it for 150€. I was sure I paid well over 300€ for it at the time, but a quick Amazon history search revealed it was actually only 220€. Far from being the most amazing sounding amp, granted, but still crazy value for what it offered in terms of connectivity and features.
I'm still on a Sony 1080p LCD 46" (only use it casually). Going to blowout on something big and shiny before the consoles come out.
By Daz Go To Posthow come C9s are a grand more than standard 4k hdr televisions?Are you comparing LEDs to OLEDs? There is a world of difference in black levels and max brightness between the two. OLEDs are significantly more expensive than LED panels.
e: if this came off harsh or sarcastic, it was not meant that way. i don't know exactly which tv's you are comparing against so i had to guess
Starting to (more) seriously take a look at my next TV. Currently on a 65'' B6. As great as the PQ is, unfortunately for me, this was earlier in the cycle for OLED TVs, and mine has the infamous dim HDR Game Mode. It's definitely noticeable and to the point where I do my HDR gaming primarily on my PG27UQ monitor which provides a substantially brighter HDR picture, and less input lag. The newer OLEDs having solved the dim HDR Game Mode, and input lag is extremely low.
The price jump is pretty large when going from a 65'' to 77'' OLED. Open to high end LEDs for that reason. Obviously OLED has superior overall PQ, but there's something to be said for a bright HDR picture. And I don't plan to get rid of my current OLED, but move it to another room. Feels like it could be a best of both worlds situation. There are also more options in the 70"+ range with LEDs.
My options:
OLEDs:
LG 77CX (or C9)
Sony Z8H OLED (65'')
LEDs:
Vizio P Series Quantum X
-Super bright HDR experience. Up to 3000 nits peak brightness. In day to day use, this will probably top out around 800 nits which is still very bright. This is currently the brightest TV on sale.
Sony XBR-75X950H
Samsung TVs are a no go for me. For one their game mode is inferior to the others in how it handles the picture, and a big one for me, Samsung does NOT support Dolby Vision. With the amount of shows on Netflix being in DV, movies on Apple TV, and UHD discs, this is a horrible omission, but one they've been stuck with for a few years. They align with HDR10+ which isn't nearly as adopted as DV. I think HDR10+ right now is only used on a few Amazon Prime shows.
Will still be using my Apple 4K TV to supply the content to these TVs.
I'd really like to get a Sony. I know their Game Mode hasn't been as good as LGs, and they use Android TV vs LGs WebOS, which isn't that big of a deal to me considering what I said above. I gotta read up some more on the user experience on the Sonys.
The price jump is pretty large when going from a 65'' to 77'' OLED. Open to high end LEDs for that reason. Obviously OLED has superior overall PQ, but there's something to be said for a bright HDR picture. And I don't plan to get rid of my current OLED, but move it to another room. Feels like it could be a best of both worlds situation. There are also more options in the 70"+ range with LEDs.
My options:
OLEDs:
LG 77CX (or C9)
Sony Z8H OLED (65'')
LEDs:
Vizio P Series Quantum X
-Super bright HDR experience. Up to 3000 nits peak brightness. In day to day use, this will probably top out around 800 nits which is still very bright. This is currently the brightest TV on sale.
Sony XBR-75X950H
Samsung TVs are a no go for me. For one their game mode is inferior to the others in how it handles the picture, and a big one for me, Samsung does NOT support Dolby Vision. With the amount of shows on Netflix being in DV, movies on Apple TV, and UHD discs, this is a horrible omission, but one they've been stuck with for a few years. They align with HDR10+ which isn't nearly as adopted as DV. I think HDR10+ right now is only used on a few Amazon Prime shows.
Will still be using my Apple 4K TV to supply the content to these TVs.
I'd really like to get a Sony. I know their Game Mode hasn't been as good as LGs, and they use Android TV vs LGs WebOS, which isn't that big of a deal to me considering what I said above. I gotta read up some more on the user experience on the Sonys.
Slack is being garbage but point I was trying to make is to wait for 8K to get a 77". Not sure it's worth it for more than double the price to go 77" and not get 8K.
https://sonyreconsidered.com/hdmi-2-1-support-on-2020-sony-tvs-is-a-mess-a4d5fdb8e167
FFS
Sony’s A8 OLED as well as X950H (XH95) and X850H (XH85) LCDs will not feature an HDMI 2.1 port capable of 4K120 but they will feature a single optional HDMI 2.1 feature that can be supported on HDMI 2.0 ports. This feature is eARC (enhanced Audio Return Channel), which supports lossless audio formats such as Dolby TrueHD (with/without Atmos) and DTS-HD MA (with/without DTS:X). HDMI eARC is also supported in most other 2020 Sony TVs and some previous TV models.
And there you have it, the ‘entry-level’ X850H does not offer HDMI 2.1 while the more expensive X900H series will, at a later date, via a firmware update, but the even more costly X950H will not. But to make it even more confusing, the A8 OLED will not offer HDMI 2.1 but will support some of its features through HDMI 2.0, and the 8K Z8H fully does provide HDMI 2.1. Got it. Not a cluster fuck at all.
How the entire range of 2020 Sony TVs don’t offer HDMI 2.1 is mind-boggling and completely unsurprising. This should have been an easy win for Sony Electronics — want the best PS5 experience? Buy any of our 2020 TVs — but instead, consumers will have to either do their homework and dig out tech specs to make the right purchase decision, which isn’t solved by the old mantra of ‘pay more and get better specs’ or go to a competitor.
FFS