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By Fenderputty Go To PostOn way to get 65” C9 😎

Welcome, brother

By Fenderputty Go To PostOn way to get 65” C9 😎

jealous

By Smokey Go To PostThe Elite get Eliter

Elites buy Panasonic.

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By Zabojnik Go To PostElites buy Panasonic.

I moved my old panny viera plasma to my bedroom

Frustrated on set up so far. Updated the denon receiver to dynamic 4K output for HDR and Dolby. Made sure input on TV is set to HDR. PS4 outputs fine to TV through receiver in HDR. Apple TV doesn’t. Can’t figure out why. I’ve updated TV firmware. Next I’m gonna isolate the Apple TV and see if bypassing the receiver works. Then it’s cables. After that /shrug

Edit: Figuring I should update receiver firmware too. Trying that too

Fucking firmware updates to receiver got me HDR but not Dolby vision. Edit: receiver is Dolby vision compatible

Thinking of making the jump to UHD, what do I need to know?

By Shanks D Zoro Go To PostThinking of making the jump to UHD, what do I need to know?

The human eye can only see up to 1440p.

TV only or TV + receiver? Budget?

By Zabojnik Go To PostThe human eye can only see up to 1440p.

TV only or TV + receiver? Budget?

What the fuck is a receiver?

My budget is about 800 euros max. closer to 40 inches than 50 because the size of the same.

This is the one I was thinking of. It is 50, but cheaper than the 43.

http://www.e-himart.co.kr/app/goods/goodsDetail?goodsNo=0003224245

All I see is gibberish. Looks like one of your basic LG LCD 4K TVs. Should be decent enough. It might say HDR, but you should keep your expectations in check.

I think 4K deserves at least 55", preferably 65".

How much are LG's OLEDs in Korea? 55" is the smallest they make at the moment, but there's a 48" coming in the next months, I think.

About 1700 euros is the cheapest I have seen from LG. It did look stunning in store. If they have an OLED under 50 for a few 100 cheaper then I might be tempted to get it.

I just don't have the space unfortunately for a huge one. How far back do you have to sit to take advantage of 55?

Higher res let’s you sit closer to the larger screen, not further. If you’re sitting far from a screen, the higher resolutions matter less

What Fender said. How close to the TV do you usually sit?

This might help you determine how big of a TV is "needed" based on how far back you sit: https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/by-size/size-to-distance-relationship

Also, a receiver is a fancy audio/video routing device that can also power passive speakers. They are generally used as an easy way to power a surround sound speaker system.

By Fenderputty Go To PostI moved my old panny viera plasma to my bedroom

Frustrated on set up so far. Updated the denon receiver to dynamic 4K output for HDR and Dolby. Made sure input on TV is set to HDR. PS4 outputs fine to TV through receiver in HDR. Apple TV doesn’t. Can’t figure out why. I’ve updated TV firmware. Next I’m gonna isolate the Apple TV and see if bypassing the receiver works. Then it’s cables. After that /shrug

Edit: Figuring I should update receiver firmware too. Trying that too

Just checking but...

Did you set all HDMI inputs to Deep Color? That's what actually activates HDR on the inputs when it receives a capable signal, not changing the picture setting to HDR.

By Smokey Go To PostJust checking but…

Did you set all HDMI inputs to Deep Color? That's what actually activates HDR on the inputs when it receives a capable signal, not changing the picture setting to HDR.

Yes. I only have one input on the TV used. It’s set to deep color. I forgot the term, but I talked about this in what you quoted.

After the firmware update, the receiver passes 10 bit video through, just not Dolby at 12 bit.

Everything should be capable of Dolby vision including my cables. I’m thinking it’s the receiver based in the firmware shit.

I’m going to bypass the receiver tonight. If tbat works, I’ll have to run the Apple TV into the TV direct and pass the audio through the ARC connection for the audio portion. Tbis isn’t ideal cause I mounted my TV on a wall and don’t want to see cables. I could set the Apple TV on top of the LG I guess ....

If you're not getting Dolby Vision on AppleTV, make sure it's enabled in the Settings.

I also recommend you enable matching color profile but not framerate (your TV already does the latter).

For the C9, make sure to calibrate your settings. The default are garbage. rtings.com will have everything you need.

For AppleTV: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208288

I highly recommend you turn on Dynamic Content matching.

Here's a clip of my Denon User Manual. When I select enhanced (I did), I should be able to do both 10 and 12 bit color. The LG can do 12 bit at 60hz. The apple TV can output in Dolby Visual 12 bit color.

The only thing I can think of is:

A. cables
B. Firmware compilations. My denon seems to talk to my PS4 just fine but not my apple TV.

To be clear:

Both my TV and Receiver have had their HDR functions turned on for their respective inputs and outputs. All device firmwares have been updated. TV / APPLE TV and RECIEVER

By reilo Go To PostIf you're not getting Dolby Vision on AppleTV, make sure it's enabled in the Settings.
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When I try and get Dolby vision, my Apple TV makes the screen go black and then kicks me back into 10 bit HDR and says my shit isn't capable. LIES LIES LIES

AppleTV will need to have DolbyVision enabled, else it will stick to HDR. Enabling Dynamic Content Matching in the Settings should fix your issue.

All of the TV+ shows use DolbyVision. Not sure about which movies.

EDIT: Interesting. Could be your cable.

I will enable Dynamic Content Matching tonight and see if that helps before I try and bypass the receiver and cables. Eventually I'll single out my issue.

One thing the AppleTV also does is if it determines a certain resolution combo doesn't work (4K60 DolbyVision, for example), it will blacklist it in the same section as where the Dynamic Content Matching settings are under a "Unsupported" section. You will have to go and manually go through each and re-attempt to test them again. So if you see DolbyVision resolutions in that list, click on them to retest.

Also, the LG C9 treats every input differently, so none of your calibration settings carry over. Make sure to assign your main input to tell the other inputs to use the same settings. And even then I found it's not 1:1.

Sounds like a potential cable issue.

Time to go out and buy a chocolate HDMI cable from Best Buy for $149 m8

By Smokey Go To PostSounds like a potential cable issue.

Time to go out and buy a chocolate HDMI cable from Best Buy for $149 m8

Cable would be the worst issue honestly. I bought high speed 18bgps cables and ran them through the wall so I can cleanly separate my components. I also needed one HDMI from receiver to the TV. So if those cables are the bad ones, I'll never get more than 10 bit color. They're buried behind a wall. That being said my PS4 uses those cables and it seems find so ….

I would likely just be the specific cables the apple TV uses to connect to a HDMI wall jack. I suppose it could be the jack itself too and not the cable.

Also lol … $150 HDMI cables.

By reilo Go To PostOne thing the AppleTV also does is if it determines a certain resolution combo doesn't work (4K60 DolbyVision, for example), it will blacklist it in the same section as where the Dynamic Content Matching settings are under a "Unsupported" section. You will have to go and manually go through each and re-attempt to test them again. So if you see DolbyVision resolutions in that list, click on them to retest.

Also, the LG C9 treats every input differently, so none of your calibration settings carry over. Make sure to assign your main input to tell the other inputs to use the same settings. And even then I found it's not 1:1.

Ohh cool. thanks for the heads up.

Is it worth it to get an HDR Blu Ray player? Doesn't seem like many titles are shot in native 4K, and I think the compression from streaming may only really affect busy action type sequences. In which case, I'm buying a $150 HDR BD player for a specific grouping of potential movies. I also like the lossless audio, but admittedly, I've been buying less and less BD's for audio over the years.

Watch UHD 4K HDR on Amazon/AppleTV first and see how you feel.

By Fenderputty Go To PostIs it worth it to get an HDR Blu Ray player? Doesn't seem like many titles are shot in native 4K, and I think the compression from streaming may only really affect busy action type sequences. In which case, I'm buying a $150 HDR BD player for a specific grouping of potential movies. I also like the lossless audio, but admittedly, I've been buying less and less BD's for audio over the years.

Worth it depends on how much you care about IQ. There IS a difference in bitrate on disc, and audio as well. But movies are usually $25+ vs the $20 max they're at on iTunes.

There's also the issue with your data cap, if you have one. 4k streaming adds up quick.

For me I do both. I buy my favorite or show piece UHD HDR content on discs, but I also stream stuff in Dolby Vision via Apple TV.

You have an OLED. A $150 piece of enthusiast equipment to go with it isn't that big of a deal, especially for an Eliter like yourself.


E: or just wait until the next gen consoles hit and get it built in

By Fenderputty Go To PostIs it worth it to get an HDR Blu Ray player? Doesn't seem like many titles are shot in native 4K, and I think the compression from streaming may only really affect busy action type sequences. In which case, I'm buying a $150 HDR BD player for a specific grouping of potential movies. I also like the lossless audio, but admittedly, I've been buying less and less BD's for audio over the years.

Could be an excuse to get an XB1S or XB1X, tbh.

I’ve done as much. I actually have some 4K movies digitally. I bought mad max on BD and it had a digital copy. iTunes upgraded quite a few of my digital copies like this to 4K for me. I thought mad max looked amazing.

Was wondering if people had personal experience with 4K players and their thoughts.

So far I’m not seeing much of a reason beyond lossless audio. Which again, I’m caring about less and less when faced with convenience

Edit: I’m day 1 PS5 since I never upgraded to PS4 pro either.

Then be a streaming pleb

Insulting me into the purchase is working

isolated with just the Apple TV, then isolated with Apple TV and wall jacks. Dolby vision works. It’s not the cables. It’s the receiver. I am not happy.

My solution is to run the Apple TV only into my TV, and the audio out of the arc input. Not feasible if the PS5 has the same issues though. Needs to be resolved by then if that’s the case.

I’m gonna call denon but my guess is they’ll say it’s firmware related and I’m waiting

By Fenderputty Go To PostHigher res let’s you sit closer to the larger screen, not further. If you’re sitting far from a screen, the higher resolutions matter less

By Zabojnik Go To PostWhat Fender said. How close to the TV do you usually sit?

By Kibner Go To PostThis might help you determine how big of a TV is "needed" based on how far back you sit: https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/by-size/size-to-distance-relationship

Thanks lads, so 1080p is where further back is better? I had thought that 4k would be the same.

I usually sit about 1 meter away from my current screen when I’m watching movies or gaming. About three meters when i watch stuff in bed

I wouldn't say better. More like the higher pixel density isn't readily noticeable. The closer you sit, the higher pixel density you need for a quality image.

Holy fuck I figured it out. Random setting on receiver that overlays a digital volume bar image when you adjust volume. So I have to look at my receiver to know the volume level now, but somehow turning that off made Dolby vision work. I’ll take it. Fuck me this is why I hate this shit.

By Shanks D Zoro Go To PostI usually sit about 1 meter away from my current screen when I’m watching movies or gaming. About three meters when i watch stuff in bed

1m? At this distance even 48" might be pushing it as far as viewing comfort is concerned.

If you can move back a bit, then the upcoming 48" LG OLED would be my top recommendation.

By Fenderputty Go To PostHoly fuck I figured it out. Random setting on receiver that overlays a digital volume bar image when you adjust volume. So I have to look at my receiver to know the volume level now, but somehow turning that off made Dolby vision work. I’ll take it. Fuck me this is why I hate this shit.

lol

By Kibner Go To PostI wouldn't say better. More like the higher pixel density isn't readily noticeable. The closer you sit, the higher pixel density you need for a quality image.

Ok, i think i get it now haha

By Zabojnik Go To Post1m? At this distance even 48" might be pushing it as far as viewing comfort is concerned.

If you can move back a bit, then the upcoming 48" LG OLED would be my top recommendation.

Hmm, those OLEDs did look stunning, but right now I can get 10% off until the end of the month.

By Fenderputty Go To PostHoly fuck I figured it out. Random setting on receiver that overlays a digital volume bar image when you adjust volume. So I have to look at my receiver to know the volume level now, but somehow turning that off made Dolby vision work. I’ll take it. Fuck me this is why I hate this shit.

That's why you need a premier receiver such as the NAD T 777 V3. Only a cool $2,500. If you can work with 60W/channel instead of the 777's 80W/channel, the NAD T 758 V3 is on sale for a mere $1,000!

Look at Porsche owning elite Kibner telling humble husband and father Fender to buy an AV receiver more expensive than the TV he just bought.

😏

Kibner lost touch with the common people.

65" c9 dropped below $1300 here in a sale.
crazy how prices go down on these things.

By reilo Go To PostLook at Porsche owning elite Kibner telling humble husband and father Fender to buy an AV receiver more expensive than the TV he just bought.

It’s not like mine was cheap either. It was a 999$ receiver brand new. The speakers were $2500. Rolled into the into a cost of my first pass of remodel, but still. I expect better if I’m spending decent coin on a home theater get up it doesn’t have random setting that interfere with modern HDR.

Also … I'm considering getting a cheap colorimeter and using it to calibrate my TV. I think I can talk my brother into splitting it with me. I can calibrate the whole families TV's. May even be able to get my dad to pitch in too.

Anyone have any experience with them?

I'm hesitant to just use online settings.

Anyone ever had their TV professionally calibrated?

I have never had my displays professionally calibrated. TBH, I use something like the the XB1 built-in calibration tool or calibration images loaded from USB to do things by eye. Problem with that, though, is that your calibration may need to be different for each type of video format that is passing through (HDR10 vs Dolby Vision for instance). If you want to do it with a colorimeter and do it well, it will take multiple hours. HCFR is probably the software you would want to use to do this.

On my PC displays, it is much easier since I can use my ColorMunki Display colorimeter and the DisplayCAL software to calibrate everything automatically in minutes and create color profiles for me. At most, I manually adjust my monitor's backlight, brightness, contrast, and a "close enough" approach to the individual color adjustments.

It might honestly be worth paying a reputable pro to do your TV if you want something better than just using your eye to calibrate your TV, tbh.

Also, if you were to get your own colorimeter, I am unsure if the i1Display Pro is able to do HDR content, but I assume it is and it is a great, relatively low-cost unit.

e: the Spyder line of colorimeters are also good, but typically cost more, iirc

Triple post:

Recalibrating every few months or every year is also a thing since displays wear out over time and adjustments need to be made. Probably up to the individual how often they feel it needs to be done, though.

e: read this brief primer and see if you really want to do all this shit yourself for multiple tv's: https://www.pcmag.com/news/why-tv-calibration-matters

By Kibner Go To PostAlso, if you were to get your own colorimeter, I am unsure if the i1Display Pro is able to do HDR content, but I assume it is and it is a great, relatively low-cost unit.

e: the Spyder line of colorimeters are also good, but typically cost more, iirc

I've been reading various forum posts on AV sites and dudes have been using this. My last TV I bought the blue ray with images and test patterns. Even came with some glasses. I wasn't too happy with the results though.

It's $250 for pro calibration. It's about the same for a the cheapy colorimeter.

My company has an AV division. Like we just installed the AV system for the Coliseum Renovation I just did. I asked if they have a colorimeter and they don't. They've been subbing it out and don't have approval on the 10K-15K in equipment they need. For a second I thought I might have access to pro tools.