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So I regret not planning ahead for future atmos capabilities (especially after having talked about it here). It just slipped my mind in the remodel. But after firing up the system I’m very happy regardless.

The Klipsch r-5800 in walls are awesome. I put insulation in the wall for about 1’ above and below the speaker but not packed tight. They’re super flush to the wall. It’s a slick clean look. I put them in pretty ideal listening positions too. Just a little behind head about 5’ above ground. My dad gave me his old 12” Klipsch sub so I moved my old setup into the bedroom.

I ended up getting a new receiver for my eventual 4K splurge and I needed one if I was to use my old speaker in my bedroom anyway. I got a denon avr-3400h as I liked my older Denon. Without getting too crazy audessy supplies pretty decent room auto adjustments.

The end result is pretty impressive. The 5.1 setup is more than enough to fill the space. The speakers are full yet bright, at least that’s he best I can describe it.

Now I just need a TV

Pics you coward

By Smokey Go To PostPics you coward

I'll get some tonight. The house is still in chaos lol. I don't even have media centers yet. The receiver is on the ground along with the PS4 and BD player ... and I just hung the TV over the ship lap fireplace last night.

I did run two HDMI cable across the fireplace behind the wall. So when I do get the media centers up I"ll be able to keep two devices on the right hand side with no cable showing. Receiver / Apple TV and Cable Box on Left .... PS4 and BD player on right of fireplace.

Since this has been bumped, I wanna say I think I get the brightness impact on HDR now. Been playing Horizon 4 PC on my PG27UQ monitor . Its a HDR1000 rated display and it lets you know it. To the point that I can get eye fatigue after awhile if I'm playing a HDR game for a long time. Point being that display is nowhere near the display that my OLED is, but the brightness adds an element that mine is lacking. To be fair I'm on a B6. They had a Game Mode HDR brightness issue on that series that was sort of fixed on the 7 series, but it really took off for the better on the 8 and 9 series. Some folks have gone as far as to say that you're missing out on HDR in gaming with the 6 series when compared to the recent sets. I don't agree with that necessarily as theres still a clear difference between SDR and HDR games. For movies this doesn't apply, the OLED is dope af, even my older set.

Tldr Basically I have an extra reason to get a new OLED in 2020.

I'm hoping I can get a decent 2-2.5K 65" OLED .... thoughts ...???

These are kinda what I'm thinking on opposing sides of the fireplace for media

https://www.wayfair.com/furniture/pdp/ebern-designs-persephone-audio-cabinet-ndde1025.html

By Fenderputty Go To PostI'm hoping I can get a decent 2-2.5K 65" OLED …. thoughts …???

These are kinda what I'm thinking on opposing sides of the fireplace for media

https://www.wayfair.com/furniture/pdp/ebern-designs-persephone-audio-cabinet-ndde1025.html

You're not going to find a 65" OLED for that price until around Thanksgiving and beyond, and it will be the previous year's model. It's been a pretty consistent pattern to this point. You'll have to go through an internet retailer to get it at that price, but you'll be good as long as they're an LG authorized dealer.

You planning to mount the TV?

By Smokey Go To PostYou're not going to find a 65" OLED for that price until around Thanksgiving and beyond, and it will be the previous year's model. It's been a pretty consistent pattern to this point. You'll have to go through an internet retailer to get it at that price, but you'll be good as long as they're an LG authorized dealer.

You planning to mount the TV?

Good year old models in the 65" range? 60" maybe? Trying to get an idea on what I need to sell my better half on. Should I wait another year?

It's going to be mounted where i just mounted my old 55' panny plasma. Then that will move to my bedroom and replace my trash old 45" sony LCD.

By Fenderputty Go To PostGood year old models in the 65" range? 60" maybe? Trying to get an idea on what I need to sell my better half on. Should I wait another year?

It's going to be mounted where i just mounted my old 55' panny plasma. Then that will move to my bedroom and replace my trash old 45" sony LCD.

They only offer 55", 65", and 77". It's the way the glass is cut and the manufacturing process that they are limited to those sizes (for now). They have a new factory that either is open or will be very soon, which will allow them to cut the glass in a variety of different sizes. We may see that in 2020. I'd say wait until end of year / beginning of next. That's when you'll see the cuts to the 2019 series TVs which have a lot of game focused features (the 2018 models not as much), and HDMI 2.1. The TVs in 2020 will for sure have 2.1 as well. You don't want to buy a model this close to that transition phase of HDMI without it (imo), especially when the next gen consoles are a sure thing to have it as well.

None of the current receivers currently support HDMI 2.1. Denon and Marantz are supposed to maybe do a software update to some models, but my mid range receiver probably won't get it. If I'm getting a 4K TV, the benefit to HDMI 2.1 would be 120hz 4K gaming? I run everything through the receiver so the expanded ARC functions don't really do much for me. The "smart" portion of the TV will be handled by an apple TV.

By Fenderputty Go To PostNone of the current receivers currently support HDMI 2.1. Denon and Marantz are supposed to maybe do a software update to some models, but my mid range receiver probably won't get it. If I'm getting a 4K TV, the benefit to HDMI 2.1 would be 120hz 4K gaming? I run everything through the receiver so the expanded ARC functions don't really do much for me. The "smart" portion of the TV will be handled by an apple TV.

Yep. And VRR (Variable Refresh Rate ala Gsync/freesync on PC). If you don't think your use case will benefit from 2.1 (or don't really care) that's fine, just wanted to throw it out because it will be a big update especially for games.

120hz 4k gaming sounds ace, but there's no way I'm going to be able to upgrade my receiver again in a year. Especially if I buy a TV. Still a good option for future upgradability tho ... hmm. Who knows ... maybe Denon will toss me a bone lol?

By Fenderputty Go To Post120hz 4k gaming sounds ace, but there's no way I'm going to be able to upgrade my receiver again in a year. Especially if I buy a TV. Still a good option for future upgradability tho … hmm. Who knows … maybe Denon will toss me a bone lol?

Up to 120hz 4k, you don't have to take advantage of it at that resolution. I will say that having a VRR display is only second to installing a SSD in terms of devices that offer the most impact on the PC side of things.

yeah sounds like a one year old model for me ... wifey gets a bonus next month but I can wait for thanksgiving if need be

77" ? :p

65” is the largest I can put on the ship lap fireplace before it starts to overhang both sides which isn’t acceptable to the designer in the house 😂

Receivers churn through tech so often, they are close to being disposable, imo.

This TV has my attention. Vizio claims 2900 nit HDR brightness which is best available and really, really bright.





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also i really need a 75'' step up from my 65''. . that second video makes the 65'' look small.

I don't know, the C8's HDR is plenty bright. Especially in some arenas in RL. Can't imagine how fast a brighter set would burn my retinas.

Mediaworld (Italy) is selling the 65" B8 for 1390€ over the weekend. I'm this close to pulling the trigger.

By Zabojnik Go To PostMediaworld (Italy) is selling the 65" B8 for 1390€ over the weekend. I'm this close to pulling the trigger.

Get it as if it's Chiesa.

Any particular issues with the B8? I remember reading (well, mostly skipping) about it a lot in the Resetera TV thread, but not the specifics.

I wonder how much I could sell my 2014 Bravia for. A couple of hundred euros, probably.

I"ve got more stuff on walls and off floors. Still need to tile over the old brick on fireplace. Still need media stands. Still need curtains. lol



I promise the remodel looks better overall haha. I'll update the DIY thread with some pics in a couple weeks lol

Leaning heavy towards high end LED next year. I want a minimum of 75'' and if I stay in my current spot, I want to be able to use the TV to its fullest extent during the day. I can't with my OLED. I've got 14 windows in my living area. It's fine early evening onwards. I've come to appreciate brightness with my PG27UQ monitor. Looking at Vizio and Sony. The Vizio PQX is $3,000 for the 75'' and is 2700 nits. Bright af, and by far the brightest TV on the market. The Sony X950G 75'' is $3,300. Samsung can kick rocks as they don't support Dolby Vision.

If I end up moving though, there's a good chance I'll stick with a 2020 OLED. Either way I'm feeling my set age (2016 B6 OLED). This was back when they had dim issues with HDR Game Mode and a host of other things that LG introduced/took away with firmware updates.

Same situation really, I was meant to be sleeping on my some close friends of mine couch for a few nights five years ago and then one of them became my wife. Just lots of things have kept on happening in life that have meant we've never had the system I'd want, depending on how things go with work I may refurb if we can't get out of here by end of the year.

It's ok, we have an 50 or 55 LED LG (2015 model, can't remember) and a decent sound bar but my patience is really starting to wear thin, my wife wouldn't really be to impressed with or even really sign off on what I can get off past my wife...... Unless I referb the whole flat (which I probably can't justify to myself tbh because we are renting ). 4d chess in relationships man.

Also realise i care alot more about sound than I realised, again this place isnt remotely set up for the kind sound I want. I wonder if it's an age thing but every all in one set up I hear sound just sounds noisy to me. I'm aware sound can get astronomical but I think I've definitely know the level of quality I want I'm just not sure how much it costs.

By Zabojnik Go To PostAny particular issues with the B8? I remember reading (well, mostly skipping) about it a lot in the Resetera TV thread, but not the specifics.

I wonder how much I could sell my 2014 Bravia for. A couple of hundred euros, probably.

I got a C8 and no problems here. But I hate that there is no perfect TV, it's always something. With OLED it's the risk for burn in and maybe that it's not bright enough in some situations.

By rossonero Go To PostI got a C8 and no problems here. But I hate that there is no perfect TV, it's always something. With OLED it's the risk for burn in and maybe that it's not bright enough in some situations.

Not worried about either of these 'issues'. I've got controlled lighting in the living room and I mostly watch TV in the evening / at night anyway. I don't do much console gaming these days, just the occasional PS4 game every couple of months, if that. It would have to be a defective screen.

I tried to buy the B8 in the last hours of that Mediaworld no-tax deal, by which time it was long gone. Not too fussed about it, as I'm planning to upgrade my receiver and blu-ray player and missing out on the deal gives me ample time to do it over the next 12 months or so.

I'll be looking for a B9 / C9 around this time next year. My HT should be in top shape when the PS5 comes. Just according to keikaku.

By Kidjr Go To PostSame situation really, I was meant to be sleeping on my some close friends of mine couch for a few nights five years ago and then one of them became my wife. Just lots of things have kept on happening in life that have meant we've never had the system I'd want, depending on how things go with work I may refurb if we can't get out of here by end of the year.

It's ok, we have an 50 or 55 LED LG (2015 model, can't remember) and a decent sound bar but my patience is really starting to wear thin, my wife wouldn't really be to impressed with or even really sign off on what I can get off past my wife…… Unless I referb the whole flat (which I probably can't justify to myself tbh because we are renting ). 4d chess in relationships man.

Also realise i care alot more about sound than I realised, again this place isnt remotely set up for the kind sound I want. I wonder if it's an age thing but every all in one set up I hear sound just sounds noisy to me. I'm aware sound can get astronomical but I think I've definitely know the level of quality I want I'm just not sure how much it costs.

Linius may be able to help more with speaker choices, but we both really like the NAD receivers that support Dirac room correction. They offer the T 758 V3 ($1,400) and T 777 V3 ($2,750) with that best-in-class room correction software. They also support Dolby Atmos for 3D sound but will need the AM 230 ($600) module to do so.

From there, it really depends on how many speakers you want. Atmos requires a minimum of eight speakers (5.1.2) but recommend a x.x.4 setup for the best effect (so, a 5.1.4 for minimum recommended).

KEF LS50 were highly regarded a few years ago and run about $1,300 a pair.

I am not sure what subwoofer to recommend that would be available in your neck of the woods. I like Rythmik but the shipping is probably insane so you should be able to find as good or better for hundreds less. Probably looking at $700-1200 for a sub equivalent to those KEF LS50s.

If you were to go with a 5.1.4 setup with the T758, the KEF LS50s (including a KEF LS50 center channel for $700), and a subwoofer that is $1,000, the total would run about $9,000.

By Kibner Go To PostLinius may be able to help more with speaker choices, but we both really like the NAD receivers that support Dirac room correction. They offer the T 758 V3 ($1,400) and T 777 V3 ($2,750) with that best-in-class room correction software. They also support Dolby Atmos for 3D sound but will need the AM 230 ($600) module to do so.

From there, it really depends on how many speakers you want. Atmos requires a minimum of eight speakers (5.1.2) but recommend a x.x.4 setup for the best effect (so, a 5.1.4 for minimum recommended).

KEF LS50 were highly regarded a few years ago and run about $1,300 a pair.

I am not sure what subwoofer to recommend that would be available in your neck of the woods. I like Rythmik but the shipping is probably insane so you should be able to find as good or better for hundreds less. Probably looking at $700-1200 for a sub equivalent to those KEF LS50s.

If you were to go with a 5.1.4 setup with the T758, the KEF LS50s (including a KEF LS50 center channel for $700), and a subwoofer that is $1,000, the total would run about $9,000.

Really appreciate this and yeah about 10 is what I had in mind, I'm a novice when it comes to sound but yeah I definitely know I want an atmos set up so I guess that's a start. Wish there were people that could come round round look at the apartment and advise what would be the best for a room of this size.

Ceiling height is important. If you want to treat the room look at getting acoustic panels for the first reflections. They diffuse the biggest source of echoes in the room, which can help the system sound tighter and cleaner. You can also get or create decorative ones with art/paintings to help it mesh with the room decor).

The Dirac software also does a lot of fancy sound processing things to accommodate for room imperfections and is much better than Audessey (found on mainstream receivers) at it. It even let's you change the desired frequency response of your gear, like a super fancy equalizer.

Room size and shape would help determine how powerful of speakers you would need, which helps determine how much power your receiver and/or amps need.

See if there is a specialty sound shop in your area. They will likely let you listen to their gear in their shop and often do home consultations to help with gear selection, placement, and setup.

Shit, I forgot that the AM 230 Atmos add-on card requires external amplification for the Atmos speakers. I don't know if monoblocks are ideal for this situation or not but there are lots of options, my current price/performance favorite being Emotiva. Again, not sure how the shipping rates are to you so you may be able to find better amps that ship from an area closer to you.

If Linius doesn't pop-in to suggest anything, I recommend pm'ing him. He works in this field for a living and lives in Europe so can definitely help you out with great choices.

Triple post, but fuck it. That 9k (now 10k with the extra Atmos amps) setup gets you a surround sound system that uses mostly price/perf gear at the entry level of high-end, so it would difficult to get gear that will sound better, even for twice as much money spent. Using acoustic panels (and maybe a rug or two) for room treatment and that Dirac Live software will help cover for all but the most egregious room imperfections and really shine at this price point. Much more so than spending more on better speakers, imo.

Kibner for president

:mjlol

I’m trying to imagine a scenario where my wife would let me hang rugs from walls to improve sound quality. Smokey don’t lie. You would get rekt too.

By Fenderputty Go To PostI’m trying to imagine a scenario where my wife would let me hang rugs from walls to improve sound quality. Smokey don’t lie. You would get rekt too.

Nah, I'm talking about things like on the wall in this picture:



E: this site lets you pick any custom artwork to be printed on an acoustic panel: https://www.atsacoustics.com/ATS-art-acoustic-panels.html

It's also pretty easy to make your own. I believe Zabo has done so. Not sure how easy it is to source printed art on canvas or whatever the material used is, but building the panel is supposed to be simple.

Ohh that’s rad. This we can both g4t behind

By Kibner Go To PostIt's also pretty easy to make your own. I believe Zabo has done so. Not sure how easy it is to source printed art on canvas or whatever the material used is, but building the panel is supposed to be simple.

I sure did.



I got the fabric printed via spoonflower.com. Cheap and quality is legit print on paper like, as long as the art you provide is high res. The fabric you choose should be as acoustically transparent as possible, though for sound absorption is doesn't matter that much.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/19-dedicated-theater-design-construction/1316623-diy-custom-printed-movie-poster-acoustic-panels-cheap.html?amp=1

NAD T758v3 would do the trick for most setups unless you go really demanding. Also brings you the bluesound eco system which I'm a big fan of. And indeed the Dirac does do wonder, definitely buy the full version (about 80 euros I think), otherwise you'll only be able to do 20 till 200 hz. Though the low tones are probably also the ones giving you the most difficulties. Sometimes the bass is a bit out of control in my space. Which is also why I'm planning to upgrade to an NAD M10 in the future. A little bit more power but mostly Dirac.

As for speakers, that's really personal. Personally I'm a big fan of Dali sound but I would always advice to just demo the regular brands and see what you like. Bowers & Wilkins, Dali, Monitor Audio, Kef and Focal for example all have decent speaker ranges in different price categories depending on what you want to spend. Aren't you in the UK kid? Because seven oaks sound and vision would be a great store for you to visit. These guys cover most of these brands and have everything demo ready at their stores. They sadly don't cary Dali but they do have Q Acoustics and Dynaudio. Next to B&W, Monitor Audio, Kef and Focal.

By Fenderputty Go To PostOhh that’s rad. This we can both g4t behind

Yeah. The rug comment was meant for on the floor around where a coffee table would be between the couch and speaker system. Sorry it wasn't clear. And, after reading up on "first reflection point", it probably isn't even that useful: https://www.advancedacoustics-uk.com/What-Is-The-First-Reflection-Point

That link gives some advice about what the most important parts of the room are to treat, how to identify those parts, and how to treat them.

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Also, thanks for pitching in, Linius! Your expertise is much appreciated!

Rugs, curtains and furniture are always a great idea. The more empty the room is the more echo you'll have. In the store we also have a pretty big rug at each speaker section. In our atmos/high end room we also have floor to ceiling size curtains all across the back wall for reflection. Obviously acoustic panels in the ceiling too, but that's not achievable at home without it looking ugly af. And indeed these custom made acoustic panels with nice art on them are pretty cool and should blend in really well depending on the rest of the interior.

Samsung is dropping out of the LCD business for OLED holy fuck

https://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/n/Samsung-Is-Planning-To-Quit-Making-LCD-Displays-And-Switch-To-OLED

:o

what a fucking time. amazing news. LG was getting too comfortable. I think Samsung is going with RGB OLED, which is what we see on our phones, versus LG using wRGB in their panels. Should deliver a better picture. The problem in the past was the yields on RGB OLEDs at 55''+ sizes were terrible, and is the reason Samsung got out of the OLED business in the first place iirc.

LG still got Sony buying panels, unless Sony drops out, in which case LG becomes what they always were. Curious if there’s gonna be a fairly significant or insignificant difference of they did figure out rBG oled

6 months of use, 20 hours a day of content, 3700 hours in total, no burn in.

I really need to upgrade off of this B6. This is an E8 in the video. I still love the PQ of my 2016 model, but that year suffered from dim HDR Game Mode. And the input lag of todays OLEDs are insane. The tech in the TVs has just generally gotten better, as you'd expect. CES isn't too far away...

I've been joking with my girl and saying I'm picking up a 77inch OLED when we move in together.
She may marry me just to divorce me if I do

do it

By JesalR Go To PostI've been joking with my girl and saying I'm picking up a 77inch OLED when we move in together.
She may marry me just to divorce me if I do

haram