Common sense gun laws should be appealing to every party in America. The NRA just scares republicans into thinking their guns are going to be taken away, when it’s not the case. I don’t care about the political affiliation of the person who owns guns, or if they like guns or not- I care whether that person is responsible. But guess what: one bad apple spoils the bunch and we’ve had a rotten barrel for a while.
By StarFireMk4 Go To PostWhat state do you live in?
California, but our gun laws were heavily influenced by the black panthers taking up arms and promoting gun ownership in black/brown communities, government did NOT like that.
By DY_nasty Go To PostGoes back to the Black Panthers tbhId say the 1934 nfa machine gun registry. Then the 68 amnesty.
By Alcotholic Go To PostCommon sense gun laws should be appealing to every party in America. The NRA just scares republicans into thinking their guns are going to be taken away, when it’s not the case. I don’t care about the political affiliation of the person who owns guns, or if they like guns or not- I care whether that person is responsible. But guess what: one bad apple spoils the bunch and we’ve had a rotten barrel for a while.
There was a great poll on this actually. I'll try and find it, but the gist of it is there's lots of cross over among party lines. Just slightly more than 50% of owner (not the population but owners) would be fine with national registrations and such.
The issue is NRA's control over congress and the habbit of the republican voter to vote for single issues. Might want more gun control, but boy I can't vote for the party that kills babies as an example.
By Fenderputty Go To PostThere was a great poll on this actually. I'll try and find it, but the gist of it is there's lots of cross over among party lines. Just slightly more than 50% of owner (not the population but owners) would be fine with national registrations and such.
The issue is NRA's control over congress and the habbit of the republican voter to vote for single issues. Might want more gun control, but boy I can't vote for the party that kills babies as an example.
Yeah, I’d be interested in reading that.
By DY_nasty Go To PostBetter to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it.It kind of is though, which is one of my main problem with gun laws in this country. Lack of structural accountability and supply management.
But I'm actually military and know what to do with a gun not some fuckboy who buys revolver and masturbates furiously to the Taken trilogy.
If you're gonna get gun… be trained, be responsible, and realize accountability isn't optional.
Theoretically in my state I can go to a private seller, without any license or training, buy a shotgun without any verification or background check, drive it to the nearest state park, and sit on a bench and watch the family picnicking while loading up my gun.
Go home, store it loaded in the closet next to my child's crib. And there is no process to try and ensure I am both adequately qualified to own the gun or whether I am maintaining a basic standard of safety with its keeping. Often, unless something tragic happens.
And on a larger note, the way we monitor and track guns and gun crime is wholly inadequate.
I'm certainly not one of the take all the guns away types(though I wouldn't exactly cry about it). I've owned guns, but accountability shouldn't be an option, but it sort of is.
It strikes me that everyone got lost in the politics of Smoke Dogg's surely harmless and not-attempting-to-be-incendiary thread title including the word 'liberal' and sort of ignored the word 'responsibility'.
Like, what responsibility would that be exactly?
I'm intrigued.
Like, what responsibility would that be exactly?
I'm intrigued.
By Alcotholic Go To PostYeah, I’d be interested in reading that.
Here you go:
http://www.people-press.org/2016/08/26/opinions-on-gun-policy-and-the-2016-campaign/
Similarly, there is widespread support for creating a federal database to track gun sales, though more women (74%) than men (61%) favor this. Support also is greater among blacks (81%) and Hispanics (76%) than among whites (64%).
A proposed federal database on gun sales also draws more support from those households in which there are no guns (79%) than among those in gun-owning households (58%).
Lots of stuff on party breakdown too.
By Dai101 Go To PostYeah, no. I have a penis.
But is it enough?
After Charlotteville, every Liberal/Leftist/LGBT/Woman/PoC/Person that hates nazis should own a firearm.
By Laboured Go To PostIt strikes me that everyone got lost in the politics of Smoke Dogg's surely harmless and not-attempting-to-be-incendiary thread title including the word 'liberal' and sort of ignored the word 'responsibility'.Thread title has been edited to address your question. Great question, too, if I understood you correctly.
Like, what responsibility would that be exactly?
I'm intrigued.
By Smoke Dogg Go To PostThread title has been edited to address your question. Great question, too, if I understood you correctly.
Well I do appreciate the update but I'm unclear on what this moral responsibility necessarily entails in this context. Treat me as though I were a child for a moment.
Not really, since I live in Canada.
But I don't think it applies in the USA either, for the simple fact that just having a gun around you makes it statistically more likely that you or your family will be on the bad end of one at some point.
But I don't think it applies in the USA either, for the simple fact that just having a gun around you makes it statistically more likely that you or your family will be on the bad end of one at some point.
If you want gun control and feel minority representation is the depressing but necessary way to to achieve that ... maybe.
By Dai101 Go To PostYeah, no. I have a penis.Does it have a scope or even a red dot sight?
By Laboured Go To PostBut is it enough?
So far so good.
I have reverted the thread title back to what it was originally, because even I have given up on trying to defend whatever point I thought I had.
I now agree that it's a personal choice. And as DY_nasty said, accountability is not optional. Sorry for wasting your guys' time.
I now agree that it's a personal choice. And as DY_nasty said, accountability is not optional. Sorry for wasting your guys' time.
By Smoke Dogg Go To PostI have reverted the thread title back to what it was originally, because even I have given up on trying to defend whatever point I thought I had.man naw its all good!
I now agree that it's a personal choice. And as DY_nasty said, accountability is not optional. Sorry for wasting your guys' time.
gun control is a broad topic on many fronts so any meaningful discussion on it is welcome imo
By Smoke Dogg Go To PostSorry for wasting your guys' time.
2 page threads of reasonable discourse isn't wasted time. At least not in the negative sense.
By Fenderputty Go To Post2 page threads of reasonable discourse isn't wasted time. At least not in the negative sense.for real
last time i tried to talk about guns this dude went off on a wild tangent about protecting his land from the marines
like.... breh if the military wanted your shit you couldnt do a damn thing about it lol
By DY_nasty Go To Postfor real
last time i tried to talk about guns this dude went off on a wild tangent about protecting his land from the marines
like…. breh if the military wanted your shit you couldnt do a damn thing about it lol
It was nice not being told I'm complicit in the yearly gun deaths because I own a shotgun for hunting too.
By DY_nasty Go To PostGoes back to the Black Panthers tbhYup..good old Ron the deity Reagan got that shit popping..
By DY_nasty Go To PostRanges are great places to train - up almost every one (the ones I've been to at least) have training courses, instructors, or at the bare minimum referrals to some on hand. You don't even need to buy a weapon first, you can rent a weapon or time at the range and see if its even something you want to involve yourself in to begin with.
Don't buy a gun off craigslist. Please. lol
Why not?
By Fenderputty Go To Post2 page threads of reasonable discourse isn't wasted time. At least not in the negative sense.
I wasn't being reasonable at all.
By DY_nasty Go To Postfor real
last time i tried to talk about guns this dude went off on a wild tangent about protecting his land from the marines
like…. breh if the military wanted your shit you couldnt do a damn thing about it lol
Ok but what if they had like at least 4 handguns? What's their chances of taking on an F22?
By Phoenix RISING Go To PostWhy not?
For one, it circumvents federal oversight (this might just be the liberal talking)
By Laboured Go To PostOk but what if they had like at least 4 handguns? What's their chances of taking on an F22?How well did the insurgents fair against the US in iraq? Blending into civilians and guerilla fighting is how you would fight a military. The idea that the military can just bomb everything flat means there is nothing left. Thats not how it works.
By Deadbeat Go To PostHow well did the insurgents fair against the US in iraq? Blending into civilians and guerilla fighting is how you would fight a military. The idea that the military can just bomb everything flat means there is nothing left. Thats not how it works.
I get what you say but I'm struggling to imagine the average American citizen having the same combat-readiness that some of the Iraqi and Afghans had. As mentioned in Generation Kill, thems some hard fucking men, whether you like them or not.
But now we're getting into silly territory.
By NinjaFridge Go To PostDoes it have a scope or even a red dot sight?if you scope out your penis and sight red dots on it you should see a doctor
If you listen to military (active, non, vet) people, they'll tell you that the average cop can't use their weapon well enough (I believe them 100%). The average civilian is probably worse than a poorly trained cop. It takes a while to get accustomed to breathing techniques and not being afraid of recoil. That's just shooting at paper.
People aren't that great when pressed with words, let alone fisticuffs. Lol. Even when trained, what are they gonna do when someone isn't close enough where a blind person could touch them? Lol
People aren't that great when pressed with words, let alone fisticuffs. Lol. Even when trained, what are they gonna do when someone isn't close enough where a blind person could touch them? Lol
By Fenderputty Go To PostThis is me. I own to hunt. Wouldn't mind a riddle to plink around.
I'm of the opinion that the quickest way to get reasonable gun control legislation is to arm minorities. Which is depressing on multiple levels
I don't know if it's true, but I heard that the current gun control laws we do have only came about after the black panther started arming themselves
By Laboured Go To PostI get what you say but I'm struggling to imagine the average American citizen having the same combat-readiness that some of the Iraqi and Afghans had. As mentioned in Generation Kill, thems some hard fucking men, whether you like them or not.Did you see the video of the shooter in Dallas? He was one military trained vet and he was single-handedly lighting up and working an entire police force.
But now we're getting into silly territory.
Joe Blow Stand For The Anthem wouldn't stand a motherfucking chance against GI Jane.
Go to Vermont.
This is correct. It started in California after a black Panthers armed march.
By UnemployedVillain Go To PostI don't know if it's true, but I heard that the current gun control laws we do have only came about after the black panther started arming themselves
This is correct. It started in California after a black Panthers armed march.
By Dai101 Go To PostYeah, no. I have a penis.I also beat down home intruders with my dick.
By FattestNutsNA Go To PostI also beat down home intruders with my dick.Gif?
By FattestNutsNA Go To PostI also beat down home intruders with my dick.
Is that you, evilore?
By Fenderputty Go To PostIt was nice not being told I'm complicit in the yearly gun deaths because I own a shotgun for hunting too.Oh yeah. I love it when people tell me that one day I'll leave my gun in the babyseat (as if I'd ever have children lol)
By Phoenix RISING Go To PostWhy not?A couple of reasons. First, craigslist in general is a good way to get robbed - even more hilarious when you get robbed with the same gun you were trying to buy. True story.
Also because like Fender said... its skating a lot of preventative measures like Fender said. You don't want the headache of having a gun that was ever used in a crime. Not worth it.
By Laboured Go To PostOk but what if they had like at least 4 handguns? What's their chances of taking on an F22?You'e supposed to have them on you and masturbate furiously at the same time for it to take effect.
By EldritchTrapStar Go To PostIf you listen to military (active, non, vet) people, they'll tell you that the average cop can't use their weapon well enough (I believe them 100%). The average civilian is probably worse than a poorly trained cop. It takes a while to get accustomed to breathing techniques and not being afraid of recoil. That's just shooting at paper.The average cop doesn't even know how to holster their sidearm appropriately lol. Shit is wild to see.
People aren't that great when pressed with words, let alone fisticuffs. Lol. Even when trained, what are they gonna do when someone isn't close enough where a blind person could touch them? Lol
The average civilian doesn't even want to hold a weapon right. They hold weapon like potentially venomous snakes, like it might jump up and bite them despite the handler's precautions and at the same time they don't want it to hit the floor. Plus its gross and smelly. Once its time to actually fire a weapon? Multiple times? At something other than paper?
My insurance policy isn't nearly good enough.
By GQman2121 Go To PostDid you see the video of the shooter in Dallas? He was one military trained vet and he was single-handedly lighting up and working an entire police force.I mean.... you're absolutely right lol.
Joe Blow Stand For The Anthem wouldn't stand a motherfucking chance against GI Jane.
And that guy wasn't even a legit hitter - he was just someone who was around them and learned how to learn. He wasn't even thoroughbred like that. Real goons and real equipment?
The entire argument about 'defending ourselves from oppressive government' is utterly laughably. One Stryker would shutdown an entire town. One.
By Dai101 Go To PostIs that you, evilore?
EL is the intruder lol
By ClownsAreATen Go To PostAfter Charlotteville, every Liberal/Leftist/LGBT/Woman/PoC/Person that hates nazis should own a firearm.Can't believe I missed your post earlier, but your sentiment is exactly what prompted me to create this thread in the first place, actually.
The fact that a majority of us are not going to be ready for a real Wolfenstein situation--a home grown one at that--really strikes me as us being disastrously asleep at the wheel for a moment.
Like, it's not just that gun rights and gun ownership have sort of become monopolized by the voters of a single political party and their NRA overlords... there's even a sense that the country's military itself may not have a balanced enrollment of politically left-leaning recruits and officers. I'm actually very thoroughly surprised that DY_nasty is military cuz I'd be afraid of him if all I knew about him is that he's military; my gut reaction would be that he'd probably think I'm some illegal that needs to be taken out back and deported. Papers, please!
Seriously though, DY_nasty, we need people like you on the inside to keep shit from really hitting the fan. But it's plausible that maybe it's my psyche that has hit the fan. Btw, what's a Stryker? You talking about the Mortal Kombat character?
Guns should be for hunting only, I'd also allow something for home defense like a shotgun.
Im sickened by the gun lust some Americans have, dreams that they'll be the heroic figure in situations like what happen in LV. Why can't they find a different hobby that doesn't revolve around something that was only created to kill.
Im sickened by the gun lust some Americans have, dreams that they'll be the heroic figure in situations like what happen in LV. Why can't they find a different hobby that doesn't revolve around something that was only created to kill.
I'm liberal af but I don't have a problem with owning guns. I have a problem with irresponsibility and unaccountability with them.
I don't think there's much need to owning much outside of handguns/shotguns/rifles. You don't need an AR to hunt.
I don't think there's much need to owning much outside of handguns/shotguns/rifles. You don't need an AR to hunt.
By Smoke Dogg Go To PostI mean, how else are you going to protect your minority neighbors? You don't bring knives to gunfights.
I sometimes have a small knife on me if I have to walk dog when it's dark out. Demographics have changed to where it's not so much 6 white kids looking for trouble throwing slurs etc. But now its the drunk punjabi or viet or carib brothers trying to prove how hard they are. It is just there because even though my dog is a sweethesrt pitbull to other dogs, babies, I got him K9 and Petsmart training,he is fiercely loyal. Just 3 weeks ago was walking him around 9pm and maybe 4 guys with a Dodge Ram truck were in the park parking lot slamming crown and coke and saying shit to me.
It comes down to gun culture I think too. I can see why if I lived in America I honeslty would want a gun. You habe law enforcement ready to blast you for the wrong move, ol Jimbo probably has a AR-15 he says he needa to hunt with. A lot of people are armed and like Dy said, better to have it and not need it than need it but not have it.
Gun control won't happen though. NRA got a lot of folks convinced Obama administration was one step away from Hitler in taking their guns. Mass shootings are talked about as false flags, some people find it more 'moral' to blow away an elk for meat than just go to the butcher and pay more so obviously they need the high powered rifle. Plus any state or county that cramps down on guns, the next one over makes its easier.
By Smoke Dogg Go To PostCan't believe I missed your post earlier, but your sentiment is exactly what prompted me to create this thread in the first place, actually.@bolded let me absolutely clear i am nobody's insider
The fact that a majority of us are not going to be ready for a real Wolfenstein situation–a home grown one at that–really strikes me as us being disastrously asleep at the wheel for a moment.
Like, it's not just that gun rights and gun ownership have sort of become monopolized by the voters of a single political party and their NRA overlords… there's even a sense that the country's military itself may not have a balanced enrollment of politically left-leaning recruits and officers. I'm actually very thoroughly surprised that DY_nasty is military cuz I'd be afraid of him if all I knew about him is that he's military; my gut reaction would be that he'd probably think I'm some illegal that needs to be taken out back and deported. Papers, please!
Seriously though, DY_nasty, we need people like you on the inside to keep shit from really hitting the fan. But it's plausible that maybe it's my psyche that has hit the fan. Btw, what's a Stryker? You talking about the Mortal Kombat character?
A stryker is an armored vehicle tho
And I don't think Charlottesville should be considered a catalyst for anything other than mass confirmation on where people stand on the issue - ie as bystanders, adamantly willfully ignorant, etc
also, i don't believe that every leftist idea is great - nor do i believe that many of the issues that people feel are so strongly about today are partisan issues. the "left vs right" hasn't been this bad for a long, long time imho.
Gun ownership really build on the anarchy element of the America culture. America has had bigger Anarchy movement and had more pritectors killed then any labor movement. this is a bizarrely uniqie America thing.
I've never seen a shooting and I've never needed a gun to defend myself or anyone else. That's me living both in Mexico for basically all of my life until last year, and now here in Japan. I'm pretty confident in saying I'll never buy a killing device.
I don't care if every person born in this country is handed a fully automatic gun at birth. Fine, have it.
It's the handguns that need to go and handgun laws that need to be stricter for first, second and third time offenders.
If you hunt bears or some shit, yeah, you should probably be legally allowed to carry a sidearm in the woods. If you move money, work security or for the courts those people should also legally be allowed to carry.
Everyone else, no, you get a shotgun or MP5 or M4A1 or whatever else you want, but handguns are off limits to you. And if you're caught with one that you can reasonably explain then you go to gun jail for a mandatory amount of time.
It's the handguns that need to go and handgun laws that need to be stricter for first, second and third time offenders.
If you hunt bears or some shit, yeah, you should probably be legally allowed to carry a sidearm in the woods. If you move money, work security or for the courts those people should also legally be allowed to carry.
Everyone else, no, you get a shotgun or MP5 or M4A1 or whatever else you want, but handguns are off limits to you. And if you're caught with one that you can reasonably explain then you go to gun jail for a mandatory amount of time.