I can see the point of it, but I wouldn't be signing up. I'm not a fan of smart locks in general as they go against my belief in the KISS principle: the more smart features a lock is stuffed with, the more potential attack vectors there are.
By Flaurehn Go To PostI can already see the emails "Hey, your Amazon friends here, we couldn't help but notice that the TV you bought from us is not in your house, perhaps you are interested in the brand new Samsung LJFH5988323428"
You jest, but this is some Orwellian shit right here. Let's just hope America doesn't become that Dystopian.
By Kimosabae Go To PostYa'll are overreacting. If you consider this some form of overreach (it's not) just don't use it.
I'm pretty sure that's the general sentiment of the thread. Nobody's saying that it shouldn't exist for other people, but it's not for me, and apparently not for a lot of people. The fact that the locks are connected to the internet is the biggest issue, regardless of trust. 'Hacking through your front door step' should not be a headline we see in the news, full stop.
I saw this earlier. Who wouldn't be comfortable letting strangers enter their house and leave packages there?
Joking aside. It's not a bad idea and they have security measures which are cool, but I don't trust people enough to want to do this
Joking aside. It's not a bad idea and they have security measures which are cool, but I don't trust people enough to want to do this
By Air Go To PostI saw this earlier. Who wouldn't be comfortable letting strangers enter their house and leave packages there?
Joking aside. It's not a bad idea and they have security measures which are cool, but I don't trust people enough to want to do this
The problem is the bolded. You're not the only one. Lots of people are trusting of strangers, but very few are trusting enough to give access to their home to a stranger when they're not there. I just don't see this taking off. The public response on social media has been in vehement disapproval of this concept.
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First week, I know someone is gonna get their shit stolen. Amazon hires random dudes with vans to deliver their shit, I bet the vetting is minimal.
I've had an Amazon driver open the door and put a parcel inside my house before
I'm in the UK and just sat there confused but it was Christmas time and those guys are mentally busy
I'm in the UK and just sat there confused but it was Christmas time and those guys are mentally busy
By Ogliarchenemy Go To PostFirst week, I know someone is gonna get their shit stolen. Amazon hires random dudes with vans to deliver their shit, I bet the vetting is minimal.Amazon can be pretty ruthless to their employees they probably will have them wired up with GPS and time how long they are in houses and shit
By Jeff Albertson Go To PostI've had an Amazon driver open the door and put a parcel inside my house beforeDoes Amazon have their own drivers now? I know in Japan they still use a 3rd party delivery service
I'm in the UK and just sat there confused but it was Christmas time and those guys are mentally busy
This seems ripe for abuse and is dangerous for both the homeowner (burglary, pets getting loose, etc.) and the delivery driver entering the home (unknown situations with potentially insane homeowners). In addition, no matter their precautions, smart key spoofing can and WILL happen, which gives the drivers a potential vector to enter the home offduty. I saw a tweet from a guy who said that his girlfriend was in a situation when a delivery driver came back hours after making the delivery and started harassing her and trying to get her to let him in, and the tweet said, imagine if that guy had a key? I don't trust Amazon's "extreme vetting", and even if your delivery driver doesn't have a criminal charge, all that means is that they've yet to be caught doing something skeevy, and I doubt that Amazon is going to be recruiting only well-paid and motivated drivers; they're all going to be minimum wage or slightly higher...
By blackace Go To PostDoes Amazon have their own drivers now? I know in Japan they still use a 3rd party delivery service
For Amazon Prime Now and Amazon restaurants, they definitely have their own drivers. Not sure how it's gonna work with Amazon Key though.
By nearfantastica00 Go To PostThis seems ripe for abuse and is dangerous for both the homeowner (burglary, pets getting loose, etc.) and the delivery driver entering the home (unknown situations with potentially insane homeowners). In addition, no matter their precautions, smart key spoofing can and WILL happen, which gives the drivers a potential vector to enter the home offduty. I saw a tweet from a guy who said that his girlfriend was in a situation when a delivery driver came back hours after making the delivery and started harassing her and trying to get her to let him in, and the tweet said, imagine if that guy had a key? I don't trust Amazon's "extreme vetting", and even if your delivery driver doesn't have a criminal charge, all that means is that they've yet to be caught doing something skeevy, and I doubt that Amazon is going to be recruiting only well-paid and motivated drivers; they're all going to be minimum wage or slightly higher…
All valid points, which makes me wonder how in the hell the original pitch for this didn't fall flat on its face. I know this shit had to come up in the preliminary discussions. I'm just at a loss as to how this ever got the green light
By blackace Go To PostAmazon can be pretty ruthless to their employees they probably will have them wired up with GPS and time how long they are in houses and shit
Tell me why I knew a guy working at UPS who had basically a crew of people working for him that would steal whole ass boxes post delivery. He'd ring the bell, wait a few minutes, and shoot a text to the guy following to scoop the package. When he got caught, they found like $8k of merchandise had been stolen that way.
Amazon already listens to your personal conversations via Alexa, so I guess they figured that physically entering your home was the obvious next step.
By Lucini the Lurker Go To PostTell me why I knew a guy working at UPS who had basically a crew of people working for him that would steal whole ass boxes post delivery. He'd ring the bell, wait a few minutes, and shoot a text to the guy following to scoop the package. When he got caught, they found like $8k of merchandise had been stolen that way.I don't know why you knew him... maybe you went to highschool together?
I do know that they have mad software to manage their employees in their call centers... but I am not saying this is a good or safe idea or anything
By blackace Go To PostI don't know why you knew him… maybe you went to highschool together?
I do know that they have mad software to manage their employees in their call centers… but I am not saying this is a good or safe idea or anything
My fault, that's an expression we use in Ca sometimes. It's rhetorical, no response needed. (I did go to hs with him though)
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Sidenote, Alexa, plus Smart Lock, plus camera...this doesn't register for any regulatory bodies? Some state is going to overreact to this.
By Lucini the Lurker Go To PostMy fault, that's an expression we use in Ca sometimes. It's rhetorical, no response needed. (I did go to hs with him though)I know I was just busting balls a bit.
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Sidenote, Alexa, plus Smart Lock, plus camera…this doesn't register for any regulatory bodies? Some state is going to overreact to this.
Most of our scammer friends come from HS lol
By blackace Go To PostAmazon can be pretty ruthless to their employees they probably will have them wired up with GPS and time how long they are in houses and shit
I dunno. My last two same day drivers were weird af. It was an unmarked van and the guy just had on some random t-shirt and jeans. No Amazon logos or any sort of markings anywhere.
I think they will hire drivers during peak time who have their own vehicle.
By Ogliarchenemy Go To PostI dunno. My last two same day drivers were weird af. It was an unmarked van and the guy just had on some random t-shirt and jeans. No Amazon logos or any sort of markings anywhere.That doesn't really change what I said about having the drivers monitored heavily.
I think they will hire drivers during peak time who have their own vehicle.
But really I didn't give my SO a key until we were living together so Amazon can kick rocks
By blackace Go To PostThat doesn't really change what I said about having the drivers monitored heavily.Yeah, I hear you, and I hope you're right. I think the worst part of this is that your door lock is connected to an app, which is kind of scary.
But really I didn't give my SO a key until we were living together so Amazon can kick rocks
By Ogliarchenemy Go To PostYeah, I hear you, and I hope you're right. I think the worst part of this is that your door lock is connected to an app, which is kind of scary.in general an app should be pretty safe because it should record who and when it was used
but the one person who decides they don't care it could get ugly.
One thing they should do is tie the app to open orders only
By blackace Go To Postin general an app should be pretty safe because it should record who and when it was used
but the one person who decides they don't care it could get ugly.
One thing they should do is tie the app to open orders only
Yep. I guess we will see what happens. Letting someone in to my personal space without me around still kind of irks me, though.
Edit: does the camera have a microphone, I wonder?
By Ogliarchenemy Go To PostYep. I guess we will see what happens. Letting someone in to my personal space without me around still kind of irks me, though.not happening ...
Edit: does the camera have a microphone, I wonder?
What happens if someone is home on delivery day?
On delivery day, the driver will knock before requesting access. You can also select "Block Access” in the Amazon Key App at any time up until the package is delivered. The delivery driver will then follow your standard Amazon delivery process.
Ah, found the FAQ.
On delivery day, the driver will knock before requesting access. You can also select "Block Access” in the Amazon Key App at any time up until the package is delivered. The delivery driver will then follow your standard Amazon delivery process.
Ah, found the FAQ.
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By Ogliarchenemy Go To PostWhat happens if someone is home on delivery day?
On delivery day, the driver will knock before requesting access. You can also select "Block Access” in the Amazon Key App at any time up until the package is delivered. The delivery driver will then follow your standard Amazon delivery process.
Ah, found the FAQ.
Good luck training those employees on proper protocol. Some of them still have trouble with regular deliveries. And remote block access? What if your battery dies, or you lose a signal, or the app crashes? Yeah... This thing sounds just as bad as it did with they first announced it.
Look, if they wear body cam and make the video online I wouldn't worry about it.
However from the video I get a distinct feeling this targets the Millennials.
However from the video I get a distinct feeling this targets the Millennials.
I definitely feel as though they are crossing an ethical boundary here. Wouldn't use this service even if they paid me too.
Day 1: This is ridiculous! I'm never signing up for this.
Day 100: Everyone signs up.
Day 200: Snowden 2.0 reveals the government is watching you through the cameras and going in and out of your house all the time.
Day 201: Outrage!
Day 202: What have you got to hide, huh?
Day 212: Well, I guess this is the new normal now.
Day 100: Everyone signs up.
Day 200: Snowden 2.0 reveals the government is watching you through the cameras and going in and out of your house all the time.
Day 201: Outrage!
Day 202: What have you got to hide, huh?
Day 212: Well, I guess this is the new normal now.
By TTG Go To PostDay 1: This is ridiculous! I'm never signing up for this.The circle of life
Day 100: Everyone signs up.
Day 200: Snowden 2.0 reveals the government is watching you through the cameras and going in and out of your house all the time.
Day 201: Outrage!
Day 202: What have you got to hide, huh?
Day 212: Well, I guess this is the new normal now.
I don't... have any problem with this. It's for people who already have smart locks they can open remotely for these kinds of events. This just makes it faster and more convenient and adds automatic video footage for accountability. Ideally we would have a big ass storage box for that effect but I'm not paranoid enough to mind a delivery person getting in my entrance to leave an important package or one I fear it can get stolen outside, or that I don't have the time to pick it up from somewhere and really want it soon. This is both non-mandatory but also requires specific hardware people have to buy to enable this kind of convenience. Lawsuits? Lmao don't be nuts.
This would be fine if my house had an entry way that had a door after the entry way (then it wouldn't be an entry way). If the area they are going to is blocked off from the rest of the home its actually a very good idea.
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By Smokey Go To PostYou gonna be watching a live view of your stuff walking out the front door.Or having you fridge eerily empty out itself.
In New York Amazon does something with USPS, they have people who can deliver on Sunday. I think they are USPS staff? USPS has key to our building main entrance. UPS/Fedex guy don't.
Americans scared of government surveillance just let big brother walk right through their front door....SMH
By tino Go To PostIn New York Amazon does something with USPS, they have people who can deliver on Sunday. I think they are USPS staff? USPS has key to our building main entrance. UPS/Fedex guy don't.I believe USPS and Amazon have a deal to deliver on Sundays although where I live sometimes they do and sometimes they don't. I guess it's for people who want some extra work maybe?