Re: Discussion about *that* GAF Drama

By hasanahmad Go To PostThe evilore part is a catalyst, but see the other open discussions, there is no fear of hive mind mentality anymore

So it's hive mind to be against shit posts or dumb opinions. Gotcha.

By hasanahmad Go To PostThe evilore part is a catalyst, but see the other open discussions, there is no fear of hive mind mentality anymore

What are you talking about?

By black faust Go To PostSo it's hive mind to be against shit posts or dumb opinions. Gotcha.

No the hive mind mentality was to get outraged at everything that moved and talked if it didn’t conform to an inch within their world view.


Also those talking normally on GAF RIGHT now are pure enablers and supporters of evilore actions they cannot be this aloof or stupid

By hasanahmad Go To PostNo the hive mind mentality was to get outraged at everything that moved and talked if it didn’t conform to an inch within their world view.

What exactly is their "World view"?

By Necronomicon Go To PostWhat exactly is their "World view"?

c'mon, when people like that guy go with that kind of speech, you already know that they mean.

By Necronomicon Go To PostWhat exactly is their "World view"?

2004-2012 you got discuss any game. Then you can’t discuss any game, no threads or banned
Dogpiling against centrist users was allowed
Any inch to the right or left to their view of society and politics and users were dogpiled and finally banned
Mods became the personalities and users became the cretins
The only decent places was communities , OT and Gaming section should were a rot and that too was getting infiltrated
Mods had favorites who would post drive by shit posts and trolls and never get permabanned but anyone’s not within the slipstream of group think especially when it was not hateful or bigoted or indicative of such ? Instabanned
Not outraged enough ? Dogpiled and banned
Not opinionated enough ? Dogpiled and banned
Didn’t have an idea what the sensitive matter what ? Dogpiled and banned
Not hateful or bigoted but opinionated? Dogpiled And banned

It became a toxic and negative place

By madstrike Go To Postc'mon, when people like that guy go with that kind of speech, you already know that they mean.

The Dog Whistling though!

I mean, I wish he'd at least come out and say it plainly for everyone to know.

Oops double post

Oops

By hasanahmad Go To PostNo the hive mind mentality was to get outraged at everything that moved and talked if it didn’t conform to an inch within their world view.

A lot of people with contrarian views rarely made good arguments or poorly elaborated, leaving vague pieces of information as bait.
Posts like "I would post but I know I'm going to get dog piled for this" were just baits, if you have something to say and could back it up in that OP then the problem was mostly mitigated, but so many people relied on the vague shitpost style of the former, leading the reader annoyance.

There's people that were on GAF and this forum who have done agreements to disagree, but only because they've actually constructed posts in a decent manner.

By hasanahmad Go To PostNo the hive mind mentality was to get outraged at everything that moved and talked if it didn’t conform to an inch within their world view.


Also those talking normally on GAF RIGHT now are pure enablers and supporters of evilore actions they cannot be this aloof or stupid

Ehh it's kinda taking one hivemind and replacing is with another. These people will still dogpile on those who go against their opinions but for different reasons. Happens all over the internet especially with sites like reddit and it's downvoting system. But it's only a safespace it it's pro minority I guess.

By black faust Go To PostA lot of people with contrarian views rarely made good arguments or poorly elaborated, leaving vague pieces of information as bait.
Posts like "I would post but I know I'm going to get dog piled for this" were just baits, if you have something to say and could back it up in that OP then the problem was mostly mitigated, but so many people relied on the vague shitpost style of the former, leading the reader annoyance.

There's people that were on GAF and this forum who have done agreements to disagree, but only because they've actually constructed posts in a decent manner.

Actually I think this forum will be a good judge and contrast to what GAF was like. I've seen some of the standard dog-pile/ban him tactics that had been used on GAF not work here and people were able to settle civilly without either party feeling ostracized or getting banned. I feel like those are the skills people should be learning and this site seems to foster and nurture those valuable adult skills.

By hasanahmad Go To PostNo the hive mind mentality was to get outraged at everything that moved and talked if it didn’t conform to an inch within their world view.


Also those talking normally on GAF RIGHT now are pure enablers and supporters of evilore actions they cannot be this aloof or stupid

Let's be honest, most people that were banned weren't banned because of their political position. CPP_is_King and Diablos were all over political discussions and managed to not get banned. No, it's just that everyone except those two didn't see that to avoid getting shit canned you only had to
avoid complaining about hiveminds, derailing threads, and being homophobic/conspiracy nut/racist for the most part. Acting like a victim got more people banned than people expressing views.

There was definitely dog-piling though, and that was a problem.

By hasanahmad Go To Post2004-2012 you got discuss any game. Then you can’t discuss any game, no threads or banned
Dogpiling against centrist users was allowed
Any inch to the right or left to their view of society and politics and users were dogpiled and finally banned
Mods became the personalities and users became the cretins
The only decent places was communities , OT and Gaming section should were a rot and that too was getting infiltrated
Mods had favorites who would post drive by shit posts and trolls and never get permabanned but anyone’s not within the slipstream of group think especially when it was not hateful or bigoted or indicative of such ? Instabanned
Not outraged enough ? Dogpiled and banned
Not opinionated enough ? Dogpiled and banned
Didn’t have an idea what the sensitive matter what ? Dogpiled and banned

It became a toxic and negative place

Ok, first of all, as someone who was a lurker, not an active poster, that is absolutely not what happened in OT.

Second, are you aware that the "I don't want politics in my video games" is kind of a thing the Gamer Gaters have been shouting from the roofs?
Which is... pretty much what you're saying there.

Third, to everyone in the world, except Americans, OT was centrist as hell.
Equality for everyone, LGBTQ rights, anti-racism, pro-feminism, pro-environment, pro-poor people, etc, etc, aren't political points, they are human decency and rights. These are literally the only times the OT would pile on someone, if they were behaving against these things.
And no, it's not "just another point of view" to not like TeH Gays, because you're religious.

The fact that conservatism embraces discriminatory practices made people following that line of thought naturally opposite to the people frequenting OT.

So, the "Group Think" was common decency, and being humanitarian.

If that is a problem, then I daresay it does not lie with the people in OT, but those who went against these principles.

By Necronomicon Go To PostOk, first of all, as someone who was a lurker, not an active poster, that is absolutely not what happened in OT.

Second, are you aware that the "I don't want politics in my video games" is kind of a thing the Gamer Gaters have been shouting from the roofs?
Which is… pretty much what you're saying there.

Third, to everyone in the world, except Americans, OT was centrist as hell.
Equality for everyone, LGBTQ rights, anti-racism, pro-feminism, pro-environment, pro-poor people, etc, etc, aren't political points, they are human decency and rights. These are literally the only times the OT would pile on someone, if they were behaving against these things.
And no, it's not "just another point of view" to not like TeH Gays, because you're religious.

The fact that conservatism embraces discriminatory practices made people following that line of thought naturally opposite to the people frequenting OT.

So, the "Group Think" was common decency, and being humanitarian.

If that is a problem, then I daresay it does not lie with the people in OT, but those who went against these principles.
And they were -literally- the

Active poster from 2004 -2006 , 2006 - 2016 here. I know what I witnessed and how gaf changed for the worse

See your kind of thinking , don’t want politics in games or doesn’t care for them ? You must be a gator , that’s the kind of thinking I’m talking about even if the the person isn’t not a gator

Again, centrist things like we should start bringing in Indelrndents Who were right leaning in elections ? Right ? He must be a bigot And a trump deplorable even if he was the opposite of that. Talk about your uncle who’s a police officer who does good and tries to Be different than those we hear about in those ? No you can’t talk about police every single police man is bad . Utter toxicity rather than toning it down

Group think was not decency it was hive mind thinking. Either you were right in line with it or you were not. You were ostracized for being a fiscal conservative or a moderate. Bernie ? All Bernie fans are bad automatically. Hillary’s Vp, we don’t like him he is too bad because he is too moderate. Toxicity after toxicity after toxicity . Sometimes felt like I was in opposite Polar extreme land of trump supporters. No we can’t talk people out of hate we need to hate them out it. Toxic toxic toxic

By hasanahmad Go To Post2004-2012 you got discuss any game. Then you can’t discuss any game, no threads or banned
Dogpiling against centrist users was allowed
Any inch to the right or left to their view of society and politics and users were dogpiled and finally banned
Mods became the personalities and users became the cretins
The only decent places was communities , OT and Gaming section should were a rot and that too was getting infiltrated
Mods had favorites who would post drive by shit posts and trolls and never get permabanned but anyone’s not within the slipstream of group think especially when it was not hateful or bigoted or indicative of such ? Instabanned
Not outraged enough ? Dogpiled and banned
Not opinionated enough ? Dogpiled and banned
Didn’t have an idea what the sensitive matter what ? Dogpiled and banned
Not hateful or bigoted but opinionated? Dogpiled And banned

It became a toxic and negative place

By madstrike Go To Post

You got that right lol

By TheMikado Go To PostActually I think this forum will be a good judge and contrast to what GAF was like. I've seen some of the standard dog-pile/ban him tactics that had been used on GAF not work here and people were able to settle civilly without either party feeling ostracized or getting banned. I feel like those are the skills people should be learning and this site seems to foster and nurture those valuable adult skills.

I've already seen it happen here when I first came here in 14, I think only like 1-2 people been banned cause they were insufferable.

By madstrike Go To Post

Hmm... is this the well thought out and meaningful counter arguments which we hear were so commonplace throughout GAF?
Or is this an example of the type of responses which were allowed as long as you were in agreement with a certain ideology.

The point is I doubt this will be considered a meaningful counter argument. I could be wrong though.

By hasanahmad Go To PostSee your kind of thinking , don’t want politics in games or doesn’t care for them ? You must be a gator , that’s the kind of thinking I’m talking about even if the the person isn’t not a gator

If it talks like a duck and if it ...
This is literally one of their talking points.

Explain to me, how it affected your ability to talk video games, for which there were TWO forums (Gaming and gaming community), that people in OT were trying to be pro-equality. I want to hear this.

And how does this affect your ability to continue talking about video games in the appropriate forums, which STILL exist?

By hasanahmad Go To PostAgain, centrist things like we should start bringing in Indelrndents Who were right leaning in elections ? Right ? He must be a bigot And a trump deplorable even if he was the opposite of that. Talk about your uncle who’s a police officer who does good and tries to Be different than those we hear about in those ? No you can’t talk about police every single police man is bad . Utter toxicity rather than toning it down

It is called "Empathy for those who need it".

How the heck do you think a person of color, who must be scared about being shot to death just because they step out of a car, would be receptive about you going "But not all conservatives/policemen/etc"? i mean, how "both sides" can you be?
This is not both sides, you know?
Only one side needs to worry about being shot for the color of their skin.

Also, OT had plenty of threads about policemen who do the right thing.
Like the one about the guy who took pictures of kids with him, and fostered a more tightly knit community.
It's not really the OT's fault, that there are suddenly black people being shot by police all over the US.

By hasanahmad Go To PostGroup think was not decency it was hive mind thinking. Either you were right in line with it or you were not. You were ostracized for being a fiscal conservative or a moderate. Bernie ? All Bernie fans are bad automatically. Hillary’s Vp, we don’t like him he is too bad because he is too moderate. Toxicity after toxicity after toxicity . Sometimes felt like I was in opposite Polar extreme land of trump supporters. No we can’t talk people out of hate we need to hate them out it. Toxic toxic toxic

Oh, that is now a lie.
Being a fiscal conservative wasn't a bad thing on NeoGaf.
Being a fiscal conservative who complained that the poor got too much money, and used it to buy shrimps instead of bread, THAT was a bad thing.

Ok, seriously now, both sides, again?
One is as bad as the other?
"They were just like Trump supporters, just the other side"?

I call BULL on that.

Hillary/Bernie supporters weren't for segregating colored folks away from the rich ones. They weren't for taking healthcare away from the poor. They weren't anti-feminist. They weren't anti-lgbtq.

GTFO with this "both sides" shit. That was not true 2 weeks ago, and its not true now.

It is good that people are passionate about not letting Trump (supporters) bs slide.

Comments like this by you is why "moderates" got growled at in the threads.