Wir sprechen deutsch. Or english. Oder russischitalienischspanisch... je nachdem.
Sogar Österreicher willkommen.
Meistens.
Prost!
Germany - or much more apt - the German speaking community has contributed considerably to humanity’s musical heritage although much less so in modern times. Going by Wikipedia we are the only people making the telling distinction between „E- and U-Musik“, and thats not the difference between Kraftwerk and Niko. „E“ as in „ernste“ (serious) music was reserved for artistic music and that again meant exclusively classical music. „U“ means „Unterhaltung“ (entertainment) and points to popular and commercial music. Of course this differentiation is toxic but it illustrates a problematic current in modern German arts: The inability to understand that artistic ambition and entertainment don’t have to be mutually exclusive. This lead to an ignorant negligence of popular arts and resulted in an ongoing crisis in music, cinema and tv. Only after the commercial success of the Neue Deutsche Welle movement with it’s "99 Red Ballons" international hit, popular music has garnered a bit more reputation. Germany being the world’s current export champion sure doesn’t export much popular culture of significance. A fact that bothers us tremendously.
With it’s central European location and the density of medieval and younger landmarks, Germany (as well as Austria and other german speaking countries) has been one of the earliest touristic destinations for the affluent British and other european upper classes. Especially the romantic Rhine Valley dotted with castles, ruins and picturesque villages has attracted early tourists and was part of many grand tours. Also widely popular were the German Spas, particularly Baden-Baden, Karlsbad (today Karlovy Vary, Czech Republic) and Marienbad (Mariánské Lázně, also Czech Republic) in Bohemia, till this day synonymous with artful and lavish lifestyles.
After the two World Wars popularity tanked understandably. Even Germans after the financial benefits of the "Wirtschaftswunder" rather vacationed in Italy or Spain than next door. Necessary - even urgent - reconstruction in the West and argaubly more so in the East took their toll when staples of then modern architecture and few sensibility for the old structures left a lot of the old, once medieval or baroque, German cities scarred. Amongst probably more pressing things Germany had lost a lot of it’s charme in it’s wars. From the 50s up to the 80s international tourism basically was confined to the historic cities of the south spared of bombings in WW2, like Rothenburg and Heidelberg, or to rural landmarks, especially the most awe inspiring of the many castles like the relatively modern Neuschwanstein or the splendid Burg Eltz.
After reunification many efforts have been made to recreate old cityscapes and skylines, often to huge distress of the more progressive citizens and never without a highly emotional discourse. Big projects are the Hohenzollern Palace in Berlin, the Frauenkirche in Dresden, the City Palace in Potsdam and Frankfurt Old Town.
Latest since the FIFA championship in 2006 tourism in Germany has seen a renaissance. Especially Berlin with it’s complex historical and cultural landscape and it’s aire of excessive partying has seen an influx of new, young and international travelers.
With the invention of the printing press (don’t rain on our parade China) Germans have long understood themselves as kinda like the midwifes of literature. At least literature has always played a big part in culture and economics. Two major book fairs are held annually in Germany, the Frankfurt and the Leipzig one. Germany is home to some of the biggest publishing houses in Europe and the world, like Bertelsmann and Axel Springer. And despite the language barrier, Germany has breed some of the worlds most prolific authors. Here is a reading list of some quintessential German books according to Fritz (!):
Simplicius Simplicissimus - Hans Jakob Christoffel von Grimmelshausen (a contemporary account of THE German initiation catastrophy - the 30 Years War) public domain, linked is the free kindle copy
The sorrows of young Werther - Johann Wolfgang v. Goethe (actually his Faust is arguably THE German work of literature but I believe Werther has a much broader appeal and is much more accessable for non-Germans and emos of all walks of life) public domain, linked is the free kindle copy
The Night Pieces - E.T.A. Hoffmann (A pioneer of the horror genre that heavily influenced Poe. Hoffmann also wrote The Nutcracker Prince)
Effi Briest - Theodor Fontane (one of the three big european works (Anna Karenina and Madame Bovary being the other two) on women breaking the social boundaries of old Europe)
Death in Venice - Thomas Mann (powerful account of sexual desire and destruction)
Steppenwolf - Hermann Hesse (the wild invention of the lone wolf in literature)
Faserland - Christian Kracht (a popular contemporary Bildungsroman that leads it’s narrator through modern Germany from the north down to Switzerland)
Sickster - Thomas Melle (contemporary German author on men's dark side and human excess)
While lacking in big names in visual arts a lot of iconic imagery originated in Germany. With it’s hundreds of principalities the holy roman empire never really managed to focus and culminate all it’s creative and cultural power into one place, one time. Much later than for example France and Britain, Germany found an identifying and unifying artistic expression.
The first might have very well been romanticism, an eventually european movement, born out of the disenchantment with classical ideals and the turn towards one’s own inherent culture and thus to the myths and folklore of old. This is the time the Borther's Grimm collect fairytales from oral tradition. Caspar David Friedrich’s moody paintings of majestic, almost sacral landscapes and sinister gothic ruins can still be found on many a book cover today. The return to ancient, pristine germanic symbolism resonated well with the people that longed to defeat Napoleon and finally build a united nation.
These hopes were shattered after the Viennese Congress where the rule of many German royal and princely houses was restored. The upcoming bourgeoisie who was the driving force behind the patriotic and progressive changes was in shock and turned inwards to home and family. This return to the social nucleus formed a lot of the concept of „family“ we still hold up today as well as Germany's very own brand of "Gemütlichkeit". Many Christmas traditions for example were defined in the sanctuary of home and family during this age of so called "Biedermeier" and by way of Prince Albert to Queen Victoria to the British Empire were popularized worldwide. The Biedermeier however is seen today as culturally reclusive and painfully inoffensive. Liberal Germany laid down it's arms (literally) and succumbed to the reign of the old feudal lords.
After the last spark of the German Revolution of 1849 failed to ignite, the German bourgeoisie gave up on politics for good, enabling the Prussian monarchy to finally unite the german people under the crown of the Hohenzollern and giving way to the ever rising nationalism that spread across Europe. Visual arts only strived again at the end of the age of European monarchy, when industrialization and war became unbearable. Expressionism broke consequently with the tastes of the imperial german society dictated by the emperor. Names like Emil Nolde, Käthe Kollwitz or Franz Marc are known, albeit not as popular as the likes of van Gogh or Picasso. German cinema adapting the expressive paintings on to the big screen bloomed and peaked in it’s golden age with classics like Nosferatu and The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari (public domain, linked are the full movies on youtube).
The pendulum swung back of course when national socialism rose and the NSDAP forbid and confiscated „entartete Kunst“ degenerate Art. In post war Germany individual artists struggled with the unspeakable that has happened, strived and became global best sellers like Gerhard Richter. After reunification a new generation of visual artists were able to find a more light hearted but not less critical approach to their homeland like Neo Rauch and Erwin Wurm today. Probably even more successful have been the artists working with the precision of a camera lens like Helmut Newton, Ellen von Unwerth or Michael Ballhaus and recently Wolfgang Tillmans. Beware of NSFW pictures in the last batch of links (except Ballhaus). Photography in post war Germany is sexually charged to the max!
Sogar Österreicher willkommen.
Meistens.
Prost!
Germany - or much more apt - the German speaking community has contributed considerably to humanity’s musical heritage although much less so in modern times. Going by Wikipedia we are the only people making the telling distinction between „E- and U-Musik“, and thats not the difference between Kraftwerk and Niko. „E“ as in „ernste“ (serious) music was reserved for artistic music and that again meant exclusively classical music. „U“ means „Unterhaltung“ (entertainment) and points to popular and commercial music. Of course this differentiation is toxic but it illustrates a problematic current in modern German arts: The inability to understand that artistic ambition and entertainment don’t have to be mutually exclusive. This lead to an ignorant negligence of popular arts and resulted in an ongoing crisis in music, cinema and tv. Only after the commercial success of the Neue Deutsche Welle movement with it’s "99 Red Ballons" international hit, popular music has garnered a bit more reputation. Germany being the world’s current export champion sure doesn’t export much popular culture of significance. A fact that bothers us tremendously.
With it’s central European location and the density of medieval and younger landmarks, Germany (as well as Austria and other german speaking countries) has been one of the earliest touristic destinations for the affluent British and other european upper classes. Especially the romantic Rhine Valley dotted with castles, ruins and picturesque villages has attracted early tourists and was part of many grand tours. Also widely popular were the German Spas, particularly Baden-Baden, Karlsbad (today Karlovy Vary, Czech Republic) and Marienbad (Mariánské Lázně, also Czech Republic) in Bohemia, till this day synonymous with artful and lavish lifestyles.
After the two World Wars popularity tanked understandably. Even Germans after the financial benefits of the "Wirtschaftswunder" rather vacationed in Italy or Spain than next door. Necessary - even urgent - reconstruction in the West and argaubly more so in the East took their toll when staples of then modern architecture and few sensibility for the old structures left a lot of the old, once medieval or baroque, German cities scarred. Amongst probably more pressing things Germany had lost a lot of it’s charme in it’s wars. From the 50s up to the 80s international tourism basically was confined to the historic cities of the south spared of bombings in WW2, like Rothenburg and Heidelberg, or to rural landmarks, especially the most awe inspiring of the many castles like the relatively modern Neuschwanstein or the splendid Burg Eltz.
After reunification many efforts have been made to recreate old cityscapes and skylines, often to huge distress of the more progressive citizens and never without a highly emotional discourse. Big projects are the Hohenzollern Palace in Berlin, the Frauenkirche in Dresden, the City Palace in Potsdam and Frankfurt Old Town.
Latest since the FIFA championship in 2006 tourism in Germany has seen a renaissance. Especially Berlin with it’s complex historical and cultural landscape and it’s aire of excessive partying has seen an influx of new, young and international travelers.
With the invention of the printing press (don’t rain on our parade China) Germans have long understood themselves as kinda like the midwifes of literature. At least literature has always played a big part in culture and economics. Two major book fairs are held annually in Germany, the Frankfurt and the Leipzig one. Germany is home to some of the biggest publishing houses in Europe and the world, like Bertelsmann and Axel Springer. And despite the language barrier, Germany has breed some of the worlds most prolific authors. Here is a reading list of some quintessential German books according to Fritz (!):
Simplicius Simplicissimus - Hans Jakob Christoffel von Grimmelshausen (a contemporary account of THE German initiation catastrophy - the 30 Years War) public domain, linked is the free kindle copy
The sorrows of young Werther - Johann Wolfgang v. Goethe (actually his Faust is arguably THE German work of literature but I believe Werther has a much broader appeal and is much more accessable for non-Germans and emos of all walks of life) public domain, linked is the free kindle copy
The Night Pieces - E.T.A. Hoffmann (A pioneer of the horror genre that heavily influenced Poe. Hoffmann also wrote The Nutcracker Prince)
Effi Briest - Theodor Fontane (one of the three big european works (Anna Karenina and Madame Bovary being the other two) on women breaking the social boundaries of old Europe)
Death in Venice - Thomas Mann (powerful account of sexual desire and destruction)
Steppenwolf - Hermann Hesse (the wild invention of the lone wolf in literature)
Faserland - Christian Kracht (a popular contemporary Bildungsroman that leads it’s narrator through modern Germany from the north down to Switzerland)
Sickster - Thomas Melle (contemporary German author on men's dark side and human excess)
While lacking in big names in visual arts a lot of iconic imagery originated in Germany. With it’s hundreds of principalities the holy roman empire never really managed to focus and culminate all it’s creative and cultural power into one place, one time. Much later than for example France and Britain, Germany found an identifying and unifying artistic expression.
The first might have very well been romanticism, an eventually european movement, born out of the disenchantment with classical ideals and the turn towards one’s own inherent culture and thus to the myths and folklore of old. This is the time the Borther's Grimm collect fairytales from oral tradition. Caspar David Friedrich’s moody paintings of majestic, almost sacral landscapes and sinister gothic ruins can still be found on many a book cover today. The return to ancient, pristine germanic symbolism resonated well with the people that longed to defeat Napoleon and finally build a united nation.
These hopes were shattered after the Viennese Congress where the rule of many German royal and princely houses was restored. The upcoming bourgeoisie who was the driving force behind the patriotic and progressive changes was in shock and turned inwards to home and family. This return to the social nucleus formed a lot of the concept of „family“ we still hold up today as well as Germany's very own brand of "Gemütlichkeit". Many Christmas traditions for example were defined in the sanctuary of home and family during this age of so called "Biedermeier" and by way of Prince Albert to Queen Victoria to the British Empire were popularized worldwide. The Biedermeier however is seen today as culturally reclusive and painfully inoffensive. Liberal Germany laid down it's arms (literally) and succumbed to the reign of the old feudal lords.
After the last spark of the German Revolution of 1849 failed to ignite, the German bourgeoisie gave up on politics for good, enabling the Prussian monarchy to finally unite the german people under the crown of the Hohenzollern and giving way to the ever rising nationalism that spread across Europe. Visual arts only strived again at the end of the age of European monarchy, when industrialization and war became unbearable. Expressionism broke consequently with the tastes of the imperial german society dictated by the emperor. Names like Emil Nolde, Käthe Kollwitz or Franz Marc are known, albeit not as popular as the likes of van Gogh or Picasso. German cinema adapting the expressive paintings on to the big screen bloomed and peaked in it’s golden age with classics like Nosferatu and The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari (public domain, linked are the full movies on youtube).
The pendulum swung back of course when national socialism rose and the NSDAP forbid and confiscated „entartete Kunst“ degenerate Art. In post war Germany individual artists struggled with the unspeakable that has happened, strived and became global best sellers like Gerhard Richter. After reunification a new generation of visual artists were able to find a more light hearted but not less critical approach to their homeland like Neo Rauch and Erwin Wurm today. Probably even more successful have been the artists working with the precision of a camera lens like Helmut Newton, Ellen von Unwerth or Michael Ballhaus and recently Wolfgang Tillmans. Beware of NSFW pictures in the last batch of links (except Ballhaus). Photography in post war Germany is sexually charged to the max!
By 大砲 Go To Post
Even the OT reminds me former wurst OT's.
The OG Kantenfürst is dahome!
By livefromkyoto Go To PostIch habe fur drei jahre im schule deutsch gelernt.
Ich habe die meistens vergessen. :(
Das passiert leider schnell.
The only way to avoid that is to active and passive usage of the language on a regular basis. But unfortunately there usually is no time for that. But, cheers and welcome!
By Pennywise Go To PostMehr als erwartet.
Es fehlt noch der Fritz ETA counter.
Xiao?
Fritz ist schon kontaktiert, und der Kantenfürst ist natürlich Gun.
Wunderbar.
Zuhälter,Bla und meine wenigkeit sind hier ja schon ein wenig länger.
Hier wurden wir damals aufgenommen als FootballGaf vor die Hunde gegangen ist.
In den kommenden Tagen sollte sicherlich noch sowas wie ne FAQ kommen, aber mit dem kleinen netten Kreis neben der Beitragserstellung, könnt ihr Bilder,Videos,Tweets etc. einbinden.
Zuhälter,Bla und meine wenigkeit sind hier ja schon ein wenig länger.
Hier wurden wir damals aufgenommen als FootballGaf vor die Hunde gegangen ist.
In den kommenden Tagen sollte sicherlich noch sowas wie ne FAQ kommen, aber mit dem kleinen netten Kreis neben der Beitragserstellung, könnt ihr Bilder,Videos,Tweets etc. einbinden.
Ich lerne Deutsch in der Schule aber ich bin nicht so gut. Ich bin latzes jahre nach Munchen gegangen und es war wunderbar und es habt mein deutsch hilfen. ich hoffe von diesem thread zu lernen. I hope that I didn't butcher that
Ach du meine güte, was hast du getan?
Just kidding, my german isn't as good as it used to be but I have a desire to pick it up again.
Just kidding, my german isn't as good as it used to be but I have a desire to pick it up again.
By Pennywise Go To PostXiao?
Xiao nächstes Mal mal besser hin, denn:
You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded Kantholz and those who dig. You dig
Tach Deutsch Ga...Thread. Schön euch zu sehen! Auch wenn ich glaub nie wirklich im Deutsch Gaf Thread gepostet hab, und keiner weiß wer ich bin....
Prost.
Prost.
By Dinda Go To PostTach Deutsch Ga…Thread. Schön euch zu sehen! Auch wenn ich glaub nie wirklich im Deutsch Gaf Thread gepostet hab, und keiner weiß wer ich bin….Prost.
Prost.
By reilo Go To PostAch du meine güte, was hast du getan?One day I'll send you a big package of Chipsfrisch Ungarisch and everything will be back.
Just kidding, my german isn't as good as it used to be but I have a desire to pick it up again.
By SonicvMario Go To PostIch lerne Deutsch in der Schule aber ich bin nicht so gut. Ich bin latzes jahre nach Munchen gegangen und es war wunderbar und es habt mein deutsch hilfen. ich hoffe von diesem thread zu lernen. I hope that I didn't butcher thatIt's not that bad :)
I marked the part that needs a bit of work "und es hat meinem deutsch geholfen."
Just stay on it and practise, we always had people on GAF asking questions or simply corrections.
By SonicvMario Go To PostIch lerne Deutsch in der Schule aber ich bin nicht so gut. Ich bin latzes jahre nach Munchen gegangen und es war wunderbar und es habt mein deutsch hilfen. ich hoffe von diesem thread zu lernen. I hope that I didn't butcher that
By reilo Go To PostAch du meine güte, was hast du getan?
Just kidding, my german isn't as good as it used to be but I have a desire to pick it up again.
Don’t get your hopes up, all you‘ll learn here are The Rock quotes in german and matcha recipes - in german.
By raindoc Go To PostDon’t get your hopes up, all you‘ll learn here are The Rock quotes in german and matcha recipes - in german.
Kannst Du riechen, was der Stein kocht?
It's actually not that bad, but a lot of banter and nonsensical discussion of poor taste - in food, drinks and sometimes even style (jorts)...
By raindoc Go To PostDon’t get your hopes up, all you‘ll learn here are The Rock quotes in german and matcha recipes - in german.
cryingbutterkuchenadler.jpg
By 大砲 Go To PostKannst Du riechen, was der Stein kocht?vllt können wir hier jetzt wieder mehr führerwitze reissen.
It's actually not that bad, but a lot of banter and nonsensical discussion of poor taste - in food, drinks and sometimes even style (jorts)…
By Fritz Go To PostWas ist da los ihr Racker? ihr habt Gaf kaputt gemacht
Boom.
By Fritz Go To PostUnd morgen wird SMT HD vorgestellt, ausgerechnet jetzt.More like SHM, right?
By Fritz Go To PostUnd morgen wird SMT HD vorgestellt, ausgerechnet jetzt.uns war langweilig.
BTW - was machen wir nächstes wochenende?
By raindoc Go To Postuns war langweilig.
BTW - was machen wir nächstes wochenende?
Ob Fritz schon weiß, dass du Schuld warst?
By Hammer24 Go To PostOb Fritz schon weiß, dass du Schuld warst?hey, ich wollte nur account-suicide begehen. das dabei die bude um mich herum kollabiert konnte niemand kommen sehen.
By Pennywise Go To PostIt's not that bad :)Thanks, knew there'd be something wrong
I marked the part that needs a bit of work "und es hat meinem deutsch geholfen."
Just stay on it and practise, we always had people on GAF asking questions or simply corrections.
By raindoc Go To PostDon’t get your hopes up, all you‘ll learn here are The Rock quotes in german and matcha recipes - in german.It's better than nothing
By raindoc Go To Posthey, ich wollte nur account-suicide begehen. das dabei die bude um mich herum kollabiert konnte niemand kommen sehen.Was habt ihr getan?
Ich hab nur mitgekriegt das Oti dann ziemlich schnell grau wurde.
By SonicvMario Go To PostThanks, knew there'd be something wrongOh and "letztes" instead of "latzes".
It's better than nothing
Learning a new language is always a pain and I can't imagine what it's like to learn German when you didn't grow up with it and passed a certain age.
By Pennywise Go To PostWas habt ihr getan?
Ich hab nur mitgekriegt das Oti dann ziemlich schnell grau wurde..
Raindoc hatte auf Twitter gesehen, dass Besada nicht mehr Mod ist. Er hat daraufhin einen Thread aufgemacht, was die Lawine ins Rollen gebracht hat.
By Pennywise Go To PostWas habt ihr getan?
Ich hab nur mitgekriegt das Oti dann ziemlich schnell grau wurde.
nur mal nachgefragt, warum besada demoded und gebannt wurde. und noch ein bisschen auf den vorwürfen gegen EL rumgeritten. zu dem zeitpunkt müssen aber die meisten mods schon die schnauze voll gehabt haben und ich bin dafür nicht gebannt worden... daraufhin ist anarchie ausgebrochen und EL hat den stecker gezogen.
I've lived in the US too long now I think. It takes so much more work to read through this than I care to admit.
By raindoc Go To PostHat wer noch nen screenshot vom GRRM thread?War mein persönliches Highlight.
Gilt das schon als "gewaltbereiter Erlebnistourist"?
In other news: it's cold, it's dark, it's Monday.
But I like this forums style and formatting.
By Torro Go To PostNein zusammen.
By Bitch Pudding Go To PostNope
By raindoc Go To PostNeinneinneinneinnein.
By Hammer24 Go To PostHerrlich. Feels like home already.
By Pennywise Go To Post
By Fritz Go To PostWas ist da los ihr Racker? ihr habt Gaf kaputt gemacht
By Bread Go To PostBoah, ne. Ihr schon wieder?
By DerZuhälter Go To PostEs ist schön, dass du wieder da bist, Zuhälter.
I'll just point out that raindoc is Austrian, lest someone thinks it's the Germans again who ruined it for everyone.
By Pennywise Go To PostEs wird Zeit für nen Avatar Brot.Ich weiß nicht. Das ist immer so eine große Verantwortung und Verpflichtung. Und wenn ich der einzige User ohne Avatar bin, dann ist das ja auch schon ein Erkennungsmerkmal!