🔒 | About *that* GAF Drama | Goodnight

By potam Go To PostOk, let's see if I can get this across somehow.

First, real life is not a game or movie or any work of fiction. People rarely fall into "completely good" and "completely evil".

Second, there is a middle ground in almost everything in life. Internet tribalism has made all discussions "all or nothing".
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I want to murder black people and white are the superior race.

There is no middle ground to that one. Should we start having conversations with ISIS terrorists now?

One of the big things, like i mentioned "good faith" like actually doing some 101 before you step out. The continued talking about racial and gender politics bereft of the financial burdens and restrictions placed on their person is just missing the forest for the trees.

By Deadbeat Go To PostEvery post has to has to reference facing worlds somehow.

Goat map 😭 after Deck 16

By Kabro Go To Postwe're definitely nothing like GAF.
we steer clear of that culture.
hopefully y'all notice the difference.

Definitely already noticing a difference. I could get used to this. I would like to be able to keep track of my posts though. I tend to post in all sorts of threads so it would be nice to have them organized somewhere.

By IrishNinja Go To Postif y'all have a certain topic where you thought a gaming side pileon was unwarranted, go nuts. most times i hear about stuff like Tom or someone else defending pedo vita games and it's hard to really feel bad there

Spend 5 minutes reading the thread instead of instantly climbing into everyone's ass. This is a thread for blowing off steam and people have called out specific examples of shit they had a problem with. All you wanna do is lecture people on how they opinions should be moderated 5 minutes after you arrived.

Chill.

I’m going to dip out at this point after making some observations. Hopefully all of this being contained to this thread should make this discussion okay.

- If you enter into a thread about a boycott to declare that you don’t care about the boycott or what led to it, you are on the same footing as anyone coming out explicitly for or against it. You are acting to confront others with Your own view on it, and are opening it up to critique. You don’t get to cry persecution. You don’t get to say the issue was forced on you. It’s lame as fuck. A person who really doesn’t care doesn’t talk about the boycott, doesn’t engage in threads about the boycott, and subsequently never ever gets bothered by it, unlike those making false claims here of not caring but somehow being forced to get involved.

- Politics is often and easily used to enshrine problematic opinions in some immunity field. A political belief that pushes toward inclusiveness is not equal to a political belief that pushes toward exclusiveness, in terms of how it can exist in a community. They are not two sides of the same coin. It’s much easier to ask someone to tolerate someone’s acceptance of all cultures/specialities/etc., than to tell someone to tolerate someone’s hatred of their demographic background. Is that not fair because it gives liberalism an advantage? Welcome to he real world snowflakes/no safe space/etc. Conservatives have a duty here to “man up” and accept that if they are going to have increasingly coarse and hostile views toward others on a diverse internet, they are going to take some due heat for it. Those ideas are not your race, sexuality, culture, or anything else except IDEAS. You are not being persecuted if those ideas are unpopular or they court some negative judgements.

-So much criticism of GAF here has been rote lines about echo chambers and safe spaces. Demanding that politics don’t come up on your forum, or that you be spared criticism for being conservative, that you be spared from seeing activism surrounding games, etc, are the EXACT SAME THING you’re complaining about. It is just the particular style of safe space you want for yourself, and more strict honestly than what GAF ever was.

By Angelus Errare Go To PostTangent: Is there a Destiny 2 PC Slaent group?

I'm hoping someone will make a thread between now and Tuesday!

By NovemberMagnus Go To PostAll these dark theme lovers are the true scourge, Gaf's cursed legacy infecting perfectly good websites. Switch back to light theme before its too late

my eyes feel triggered.
fight me.

By RoyalJCC Go To PostWhat if the person is actually misinformed about something? Don't you try to explain or you just go with these type of replies?

That's the problem. Discussion is important, not throwing shit around. But maybe I'm asking too much.

A lot of people are misinformed about welfare/social programs, but the thing is, anyone with strong opinions about how we should take them away isn't typically trying to have a legit conversation about it. American politics is so polarized that something like social programs which are popular worldwide and even in America, when someone is starting from the position "we should gut them all", their entire worldview is so fucked that they're generally not worth talking to.

By Suen Go To PostReilo I agree with the (former) gaf posters saying you should make a gaming section in this forum dedicated for gaming topics. Give the gaming section only one topic (about UT99) and make me the only mod of gaming slaent.

I’d like to second this, I’ve only been in gaming gaf so it’d be nice to have a place dedicated to it here, that’s of course if possible.

I'll go make the 🚫 CUCKS/SNOWFLAKES🚫 thread asap..

By IrishNinja Go To Postthe longer this goes, the more i gotta assume he's searching for a bidder or figuring out some other angle - his "responses" were always verbose back-patting that never struck me as having a great deal of time or thought put into them.

the drafts would be fun to see
HOW DARE YOU CUN

First of all, Neogaf dot com is a premier internet

have you even seen her? frankly i can do bett

We are known far & wide for respecting women, and frankly what had happened wa

I HAVE FOUGHT A THOUSAND MEN

Just get a good Dennis Reynolds rant and it’ll probably be closer to the truth than it should be

I was more an OT guy on GAF. Never understood why people idolized the admins/mods on that forum. Even before the scandals, it was always their way or the highway. Got banned once for a week because i told a joke in the dating age thread replying that most of GAF doesn't get any (which was pretty much a meme in that thread). I guess some of it was true.

Still had amazing times on it thought.

By TheHunter Go To PostI want to murder black people and white are the superior race.

There is no middle ground to that one. Should we start having conversations with ISIS terrorists now?

Ok. Take this as a Mod warning.

If you can't discuss things rationally like an adult with out trying to gaslight / slander people you're not welcome here.

Another GAFfer searching for a new home. Signed up here and Waypoint, to get a feel for both. Really liking the thread layout and format here.

And yeah, GAF had been such a big part of my internet activity for the last four years. GAF introduced me to the wider world of indie games, Hardcore History and podcasts, comics and manga, so many movies, books, and shows, and most importantly, in opening my eyes politics-wise. There was nowhere else that felt as safe as GAF to discuss political topics (or even topics in general) without having to worry about YouTube comments entering the thread.

By Megatherium Go To PostI’m going to dip out at this point after making some observations. Hopefully all of this being contained to this thread should make this discussion okay.

- If you enter into a thread about a boycott to declare that you don’t care about the boycott or what led to it, you are on the same footing as anyone coming out explicitly for or against it. You are acting to confront others with Your own view on it, and are opening it up to critique. You don’t get to cry persecution. You don’t get to say the issue was forced on you. There is no magic nettuality bubble to retreat behind. It’s lame as fuck. A person who really doesn’t care doesn’t talk about the boycott, doesn’t engage in threads about the boycott, and subsequently never ever gets bothered by it, unlike those making false claims here of not caring but somehow being forced to get involved.

- Politics is often and easily used to enshrine problematic opinions in some immunity field. A political belief that pushes toward inclusiveness is not equal to a political belief that pushes toward exclusiveness, in terms of how it can exist in a community. They are not two sides of the same coin. It’s much easier to ask someone to tolerate someone’s acceptance of all cultures/specialities/etc., than to tell someone to tolerate someone’s hatred of their demographic background. Is that not fair because it gives liberalism an advantage. Welcome to he real world snowflakes. Conservatives have a duty here to “man up” and accept that if they are going to have increasingly coarse and hostile views toward others on a diverse internet, they are going to take some due heat for it. Those ideas are not your race, sexuality, culture, or anything else except IDEAS. You are not being persecuted if those ideas are unpopular or they court some negative judgements.

-So much criticism of GAF here has been rote lines about echo chambers and safe spaces. Demanding that politics don’t come up on your forum, or that you be spared criticism for being conservative, that you be spared from seeing activism surrounding games, etc, are the EXACT SAME THING you’re complaining about. It is just the particular style of safe space you want for yourself, and more strict honestly than what GAF ever was.

can we "like" posts cuz I want to "like" this.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who's been habitually hitting the GAF link on their phone/browser when they're killing some time.

I mainly just lurked on GAF, but OT was definitely my go to place to keep up with world events, I looked up threads on Movies/TV Shows/Games I was late to the party to to look up discussion, the B/S/T thread was the only place where I felt like I could trust people to buy Steam keys from (hell, the last transaction I made to buy Dishonored 2 from someone, they just sent me the code first and trusted me to send the money whenever I got around to activating it.), and it's the only forum I frequented I've never been accidentally spoiled on anything I was interested in looking up discussion on, thanks to the awesome mod team.

By Enter The Noid Go To PostA lot of people are misinformed about welfare/social programs, but the thing is, anyone with strong opinions about how we should take them away isn't typically trying to have a legit conversation about it. American politics is so polarized that something like social programs which are popular worldwide and even in America, when someone is starting from the position "we should gut them all", their entire worldview is so fucked that they're generally not worth talking to.

The irony (hypocrisy?) in this is they'll defend their social security to the bitter end.

By potam Go To Postthe difference was, they defined trolls as anyone who had a different opinion and cared to voice it. I'm not defending Nazis (and let's not pretend there ever were any on gaf), but any time someone was like "well, maybe we should cut back on welfare programs" they were attacked for x, y, z instead of being talked to like a normal person.

I think that was a problem, but that wasn’t a moderation problem but a dogpile problem. Angelus mentioned on the last page that dogpiling is natural within an established community, and I agree, but I think there are things that can limit it. I wish mods had intervened a bit more - ideally with warnings about slowing down on the dogpiling and sometimes vicious language. Some forum features, like reactions, can also let people express agreement without flooding discussion with louder and louder comments that effectively translate to +1. Not an easy problem to solve though.

Anyway, I’ll miss thoughtful comments from people like mumei and stump. I’ll miss some of the communities. I’ll miss some of the big annual list threads (did the results from this year’s rpg thread ever get posted?). I’ll miss good people who cared about marginalized groups. I’ll miss nerding out reading pages from obscure comics. I’ll miss yoshi hate-loving games. I’ll miss discovering interesting books and movies and podcasts.

But that’s how things go. I lost another community once before in dumbrella (still no clue what happened to it). I doubt anyone at either community would recognize me anyway.

Hopefully we’ll all find equally engaging things in some other community. Maybe this one!

By DerZuhälter Go To PostIt has already started. I see all the same patterns of GAF OT creepin into this thread. Look at this shit.

Not even 24 hours since shutdown and I'm having a dumb pretentious gamergate discussion here. Guess what: nearly all the shit you like and buy has some racist, sexist or exploitive scumbag at some point of the supply-chain making some bucks. You want to boycot a game, go ahead. But don't be a hypocrite and blast others who don't give a fuck since you clearly don't either for zillions of other products outside of gaming.

one step at the time, my dude. sure, there's disgusting assholes everywhere, but we can't deal with them all at the same time. doesn't mean we won't in the near future...

By phqphq Go To Postshe got harassed for so much shit I think. I want to say all the localization stuff and slight omissions were pinned on her even though her job didn't involve localizing, I don't believe, and she also very vocally supported all the same stuff that her harassers did. they basically just saw a prominent female in the Treehouse and decided to fuck her over.

There was also the woman who was demoing botw and she had big boobs so every chat stream people were spamming "milk" over and over. I guess because it got through filters.

By rekameohs Go To PostJust get a good Dennis Reynolds rant and it’ll probably be closer to the truth than it should be

EL definitely believes he's a five star man.

By potam Go To Postand what, pray tell, does my ass show? "race baiting" is not right wing lingo, compadre

No, it's just the go-to phrase for right wing losers that blame others for tricking them into saying some racist bullshit.

My dude, it's thinly veiled racist vernacular used by racists. That's not up for debate. That's literally the etymology of the word.

By brainchild Go To PostDefinitely already noticing a difference. I could get used to this. I would like to be able to keep track of my posts though. I tend to post in all sorts of threads so it would be nice to have them organized somewhere.

good to hear!
you can keep track on Reilo's work as well as requests on the site here:
http://slaent.com/thread/79658/

oh my god we're literally wheeling out the black blues player who chills with the klan again, you can't make shit shit up
few posts away from a butchered MLK quote and something about why trump won

By Pein Go To PostI think there has to be a limit of what constitutes hate speech, because on gaf almost literally anything disparaging was ban worthy.

I like that racial slurs and real hate speech wasnt tolerated but I got banned for saying somebody’s expression was unpleasant and for saying something about being fat. I’m gonna miss neogaf but lord anything that was a bit sexual or negative about a person got you banned. Jennifer Lawrence’s Behind looked great in them yoga pants and I said that and that got me kicked off for awhile lol.

yeah some of those commenting on women's bodies threads were graveyards and i get where being caught up in that was shitty, no doubt - especially since bans weren't nearly across the board. i get that.

on the other hand, i also get why wanting to foster an environment where women feel comfortable/not perpetually objectified by the usual boys club that is internet gaming forums necessitates not allowing page after page after page of thirsty dudes & NICE with the occasional colorful commentary about what they'd do with that if they had a few minutes alone

i don't doubt they banned for absurd shit being said but there was a point on GAF where that shit was out of control years back

By G Shumy Go To PostI'll go make the 🚫 CUCKS/SNOWFLAKES🚫 thread asap..

you have my fedora

I think its safe to suggest that this thread is getting off topic...

As long as no one is getting straight up banned for dissenting opinions I think it's pretty far from GAF OT culture.

Also if you don't want gaf or dogpiles or whatever then just also contain your ownself in regards to gif spamming at a post. Report the thing. Move on with the conversation.

By IrishNinja Go To Postthe longer this goes, the more i gotta assume he's searching for a bidder or figuring out some other angle - his "responses" were always verbose back-patting that never struck me as having a great deal of time or thought put into them.

the drafts would be fun to see
HOW DARE YOU CUN

First of all, Neogaf dot com is a premier internet

have you even seen her? frankly i can do bett

We are known far & wide for respecting women, and frankly what had happened wa

I HAVE FOUGHT A THOUSAND MEN

i'm so glad you're with us irish lmao

By Enter The Noid Go To PostMy dude, I'm a person who receives social security for being disabled with PTSD. If the government cut more welfare/benefits I'd receive literally nothing and be homeless. I already hear enough bullshit in my life about how I'm a worthless lazy piece of shit who should starve to death because I dared to uh, have a crippling mental condition.

I'm not really trying to debate with chuds why should I have the right to have a roof over my head and food on my table.

Where did I say I was against welfare? I literally pulled the most benign (while still political) topic out of my ass.

But the fact that you immediately attacked me and said debate wasn't worth it, rather than explaining your perspective and your arguments for it, means that you'll never convince anyone to change their mind.


For the record, I'm liberal as fuck (read: real-life liberal, not internet liberal). I believe everyone is entitled to basic human rights, and for the most part those rights should not be infringed upon unless it will prevent infringement upon others' rights. I do not believe, however, the toxic culture of "attack first, pat yourself on the back later" does any good as far as political discussion. I also try to realize that a single viewpoint does not define a person.

By giririsss Go To PostOk. Take this as a Mod warning.

If you can't discuss things rationally like an adult with out trying to gaslight / slander people you're not welcome here.

I'm not gaslighting him.

Nazism at it's core is a belief that white race is superior and other races must be removed. I see no middle ground to that ideology.

By Suen Go To PostGoat map 😭 after Deck 16

GOAT map after Morpheus

By Grimsat Go To PostI’d like to second this, I’ve only been in gaming gaf so it’d be nice to have a place dedicated to it here, that’s of course if possible.

No problem m8. UT99 welcomes anyone, even the future UT4 refugees.

Hello all, I'm part of the GAF exodus. Nice to make your acquaintances, and hope we can all be civil if not get along

We're already retconning how GAF fell 24 hours after it happened?

It wasn't because users or mods were uptight or too liberal. It was because the owner was a sexual assaulter, then tried poorly to talk his way out of it, lost all of the site's staff, and forced it to close due to having no moderators and the chaos that comes with that.

The whole point is that few people were willing to support Evilore's explanations because of what the site had become. While Evilore deserves to be punished, the site itself shouldn't have had to suffer such dire consequences. GAF as a community has used up a lot of its good will in the gaming community; from former posters with an axe to grind to developers in the industry (with an axe to grind).

By IrishNinja Go To Postthe drafts would be fun to see
HOW DARE YOU CUN

First of all, Neogaf dot com is a premier internet

have you even seen her? frankly i can do bett

We are known far & wide for respecting women, and frankly what had happened wa

I HAVE FOUGHT A THOUSAND MEN

Ok i take it all back. This shit is gud.

By More_Badass Go To PostAnother GAFfer searching for a new home. Signed up here and Waypoint, to get a feel for both. Really liking the thread layout and format here.

And yeah, GAF had been such a big part of my internet activity for the last four years. GAF introduced me to the wider world of indie games, Hardcore History and podcasts, comics and manga, so many movies, books, and shows, and most importantly, in opening my eyes politics-wise. There was nowhere else that felt as safe as GAF to discuss political topics (or even topics in general) without having to worry about YouTube comments entering the thread.

I really hope you stay here. I haven't looked at Waypoint yet but the indie thread here seems like it could use some help.

Man we really hit a shit point in society where it's on people to convince others not to be Nazi scum. Like folks, get a grip.

Just woke up and GAF is still down? EL's such a wanker.

is there a single female user on slaent

By TheHunter Go To PostI want to murder black people and white are the superior race.

There is no middle ground to that one. Should we start having conversations with ISIS terrorists now?

did you purposefully misread my post? I know you truncated my post in your quote, but you left in the "almost", genius.

By ashep Go To PostSpend 5 minutes reading the thread instead of instantly climbing into everyone's ass. This is a thread for blowing off steam and people have called out specific examples of shit they had a problem with. All you wanna do is lecture people on how they opinions should be moderated 5 minutes after you arrived.

Chill.

nah, ill comment on examples (as ive done here) as i please, and stay in the ass of "race baiting" type folks as i like too
ill do that on my way in the door too, and you'll enjoy it or walk on by like dione warwick - bless up

By TheHunter Go To PostI'm not gaslighting him.

Nazism at it's core is a belief that white race is superior and other races must be removed. I see no middle ground to that ideology.

where was he talking about nazis lol

like.... i understand gafisms, i do. but you cannot take a "we should discuss things" and immediately default to ISIS and Nazis.

that's not even entertaining the idea of a conversation. if the conversation goes that way, it goes that way - and we deal with it there. in the meantime we're not gonna be shouting down the thought of discussion on sight

By Ruga Go To PostGOAT map after Morpheus

It’s up there among the top for sure.

By Suen Go To PostNo problem m8. UT99 welcomes anyone, even the future UT4 refugees.

I have no idea what you’re talking about lol.

Apparently membership for the new gaf forum will be in waves. Interesting

By Suen Go To PostGoat map 😭 after Deck 16

blasphemy.

By Ruga Go To PostGOAT map after Morpheus

further heresy will not be tolerated.

By Megatherium Go To Post-So much criticism of GAF here has been rote lines about echo chambers and safe spaces. Demanding that politics don’t come up on your forum, or that you be spared criticism for being conservative, that you be spared from seeing activism surrounding games, etc, are the EXACT SAME THING you’re complaining about. It is just the particular style of safe space you want for yourself, and more strict honestly than what GAF ever was.

You're not wrong. And we typically try to contain it. "official threads" for stuff like what's happening at gaf are created so people can have that discussion and "contain" it to the official thread, so as to not "pollute" other threads. But we don't explicitly enforce hard rules on it in regards to communities.

I forget that gaf mods and Evil Lore fucked NBA gaf and forced them to create this site. lol