I just expect better of people but we're all pretty much inured and calloused so some stuff definitely just flies by. Like many a people just kind of knowing the admin of a site is a pos but wanting to chill with their pals. There's lessons to be learned. And shit not to repeat.
I'm honestly glad I'm not going to spend ANOTHER 3 years of my life on NeoGAF.
Maybe I should be rejecting this instinct to seek out replacements.
Maybe I should be rejecting this instinct to seek out replacements.
GAF was my homepage. Great for real news, gaming news and a place on the internet without homophobic, transphobic and racist slurs thrown around like it's nothing. Apparently evilore had some dirty shit going on back when I was still lurking that I just learned about after this big one hit. Wish I never signed up tbh. At least I always used adblock lol.
By Random Ass Username Go To PostSome shit is just plain bigotry trying to hide itself in rationality. As I said before you can't halfsies basic respect and rights for groups of people. It doesn't work. History is full of "now's not the time" or 3/5s bullshit. There's ways to discuss it but our society has codified treating certain people with disdain, distrust and disrespect. And we move through it not always shielded and instead absorbing a lot of those disgusting messages and regurgitating them back out.
Exaclty.
By Net_Wrecker Go To PostI'm gonna miss GAF. It really became a hub of information, and turned into a site I could visit a few times a day to catch up on almost everything happening on Earth hour to hour. I avoided the controversial stuff and pretty much had a great 10 year run from lurking back when IGN's boards were still rocking, to posting when I realized all the news from every other site was pointing back to this NeoGAF place. The vibe was definetely getting weirder in the last few years though, and most especially since political Trump became a thing. This is unavoidable though, so I don't hold it against people too much. We're not in a good place culturally right now, and it's filtering into EVERYTHING, not just on GAF.
Well said. Humans gonna human.
If you're all about purity tests in the real world - you're gonna have a rough time.
By Alligator Go To PostMost people didn’t really engage with el out of fear for being bannedI know I wouldn't. Usually I'd just leave the thread when he showed up.
By NovemberMagnus Go To PostI don't get it, I thought Blame Space was funny. What is this wierd "personality" argument I always see from Neogaf critics?Hmmm this is my thought as well, what did he do to anybody lol. He was just a poster and sometimes he was funny.
By Enter The Noid Go To PostAnyone saying "we should cut back on welfare" should be mercilessly shit on.
amazing response for a topic i pulled out of my ass. If you really don't see that there are some people out there misinformed or raised under shitty conditions led to believe shitty things, and that you can actually talk to these people and share your own ideas and change theirs, then I don't know what to tell you.
It's hilarious. People are trying to explain what was wrong with the OT "liberal" culture and it misses you completely.
By IrishNinja Go To Postyeah i wanna say that's how that went down too, shit was embarrassing
nah all that harassment was going on long before she got fired. if we're talking about alison rapp I'm pretty sure she was doing some side stuff to make money involving Nintendo merch and nude photos
some of ya'll really still upset gaf didn't let you say the type of reckless shit you can say virtually every other corner of the next
so very poisoned, what with all the good resources & discussion that took place there, and brought much of that quality here too, it seems
By Deadbeat Go To PostI hope the instigators are delt with swiftly or this forum will become as poisoned as gaf did.
so very poisoned, what with all the good resources & discussion that took place there, and brought much of that quality here too, it seems
By potam Go To Postamazing response for a topic i pulled out of my ass. If you really don't see that there are some people out there misinformed or raised under shitty conditions led to believe shitty things, and that you can actually talk to these people and share your own ideas and change theirs, then I don't know what to tell you.
It's hilarious. People are trying to explain what was wrong with the OT "liberal" culture and it misses you completely.
The people have to be willing to come to a discussion in good faith to start with if they're to be convinced. Much of the internet lacks this entirely and it often becomes the responsibility of the marginalized to have super human patience while their very existence gets shit on time and again.
We're already retconning how GAF fell 24 hours after it happened?
It wasn't because users or mods were uptight or too liberal. It was because the owner was a sexual assaulter, then tried poorly to talk his way out of it, lost all of the site's staff, and forced it to close due to having no moderators and the chaos that comes with that.
It wasn't because users or mods were uptight or too liberal. It was because the owner was a sexual assaulter, then tried poorly to talk his way out of it, lost all of the site's staff, and forced it to close due to having no moderators and the chaos that comes with that.
By Fergie Go To PostHopefully Slaent mods will be on top of these "influxes" coming into this forum.LOL Martins didn't sign up for this.
By Enter The Noid Go To PostAnyone saying "we should cut back on welfare" should be mercilessly shit on.
+1
By Net_Wrecker Go To PostI guess 3 years after someone gave me the heads up on this place- back when it was still pretty hush hush- is as good as time as any to finally make an account.
I know, I know. You're welcome.
I'm gonna miss GAF. It really became a hub of information, and turned into a site I could visit a few times a day to catch up on almost everything happening on Earth hour to hour. I avoided the controversial stuff and pretty much had a great 10 year run from lurking back when IGN's boards were still rocking, to posting when I realized all the news from every other site was pointing back to this NeoGAF place. The vibe was definetely getting weirder in the last few years though, and most especially since political Trump became a thing. This is unavoidable though, so I don't hold it against people too much. We're not in a good place culturally right now, and it's filtering into EVERYTHING, not just on GAF.
But now it's dead, jim. Welp.
Hopefully SLAENT and whatever the GAF Discord is working on can fill the massive hole left by this implosion. I am not trying to be an internet hobo again. Looking forward to GAF-Hop, Movie-GAF, Criterion-GAF (where we discuss real movies *adjusts monocle*), and every other community I frequented being rebuilt, somewhere somehow.
Come to the movie thread
https://slaent.com/thread/979767/
By ned_ballad Go To PostWe're already retconning how GAF fell 24 hours after it happened?
It wasn't because users or mods were uptight or too liberal. It was because the owner was a sexual assaulter, then tried poorly to talk his way out of it, lost all of the site's staff, and forced it to close due to having no moderators and the chaos that comes with that.
no one's retconning. We're just able to speak our mind now. The shitty OT is a completely different topic than evilore's creepy ass
Hello! Lurker from GAF since 2008. Just trying to find a place to settle after all the bullshit hit the fan. This site has a "dark" mode. Top contender so far!
By Zem Go To PostYeah, didn't Nintendo fire a woman because GG were harassing her? Or am I remembering it wrong?I think the actual reason was that she had a second job, which she wasn't allowed to, but the timing was really awful. It's been a while, though.
By potam Go To Postamazing response for a topic i pulled out of my ass. If you really don't see that there are some people out there misinformed or raised under shitty conditions led to believe shitty things, and that you can actually talk to these people and share your own ideas and change theirs, then I don't know what to tell you.
It's hilarious. People are trying to explain what was wrong with the OT "liberal" culture and it misses you completely.
I don't really give a shit.
By Deadbeat Go To PostI hope the instigators are delt with swiftly or this forum will become as poisoned as gaf did."everything sucks why bother"is hardly a compelling argument. You can't realistically care and be informed of every topic ever, doesnt negate you Caring about stuff that's important to you. If Y'all don't like a bit of discussion going deeper than your enjoyment of a game or some of its mechanics, you can always ignore it. There's even a handy function for it.
Representation matters to many people, it might not to you, and you might prefer to be apolitical, but that shit isn't real life. Nobody is giving anyone any shit for discussing a games art style, and the same should be true for the politics of the game. It's just as valid.
By ned_ballad Go To PostWe're already retconning how GAF fell 24 hours after it happened?Almost like people had pre-written a narrative in their head and were just waiting to barf it all up.
It wasn't because users or mods were uptight or too liberal. It was because the owner was a sexual assaulter, then tried poorly to talk his way out of it, lost all of the site's staff, and forced it to close due to having no moderators and the chaos that comes with that.
By potam Go To Postamazing response for a topic i pulled out of my ass. If you really don't see that there are some people out there misinformed or raised under shitty conditions led to believe shitty things, and that you can actually talk to these people and share your own ideas and change theirs, then I don't know what to tell you.
It's hilarious. People are trying to explain what was wrong with the OT "liberal" culture and it misses you completely.
Thats great and all, and as I've seen in other forums to day if you want to hug a nazi by all means you do you.
Me? I'm going to fight evil were I see it and save the ones that want to be saved. There is no middle ground with people like that.
By Enter The Noid Go To PostI don't really give a shit.
lol...whew
enjoy your fucked up world views/experience
By phqphq Go To Postnah all that harassment was going on long before she got fired. if we're talking about alison rapp I'm pretty sure she was doing some side stuff to make money involving Nintendo merch and nude photos
oh? the harassment was pretty shit (wasn't that about xenoblade chronicles localization choices? am i remembering that right?) but if her side hustle did her in, then yeah, sucks but them's the breaks
By ned_ballad Go To PostWe're already retconning how GAF fell 24 hours after it happened?
It wasn't because users or mods were uptight or too liberal. It was because the owner was a sexual assaulter, then tried poorly to talk his way out of it, lost all of the site's staff, and forced it to close due to having no moderators and the chaos that comes with that.
yeah, i know that's not what reddit/4c etc wants to hear, but it should be known
By jon bones Go To Postgood to see so many familiar faces hereJON! You got me into AoS! My man.
By RichHomieBodhi Go To PostI used to post often in movies seen recently, and lurked criterion GAF. I wonder where a lot of those peeps go since I loved discussing gaffers takes on movies.
Yeah it sucks. A lot of these people are on Letterbxd and Twitter but those are really not the same. Traditional message board communities offer a slower, more stable kind of discussion that I find valuable and conducive to better conversations. Plus the personalities there were chill and people had some really good takes.
I'm sure something will rise from the ashes though.
By ned_ballad Go To PostWe're already retconning how GAF fell 24 hours after it happened?
It wasn't because users or mods were uptight or too liberal. It was because the owner was a sexual assaulter, then tried poorly to talk his way out of it, lost all of the site's staff, and forced it to close due to having no moderators and the chaos that comes with that.
I wonder how long before the full 'statement' that caused the mod exodus gets leaked.
Why am I convinced the people telling other folks they gotta convince Nazis not to be Nazis aren't actually dealing them either?
By Enter The Noid Go To PostAnyone saying "we should cut back on welfare" should be mercilessly shit on.What if the person is actually misinformed about something? Don't you try to explain or you just go with these type of replies?
That's the problem. Discussion is important, not throwing shit around. But maybe I'm asking too much.
By potam Go To Postamazing response for a topic i pulled out of my ass. If you really don't see that there are some people out there misinformed or raised under shitty conditions led to believe shitty things, and that you can actually talk to these people and share your own ideas and change theirs, then I don't know what to tell you.That's very fair. Although there are some topics that just should not need a sit down chat to inform someone about to enlighten them. There were a series of massive failures throughout life that have been ingrained to lead some people to certain opinions and views. Welfare reform and taxes code? Sure. Make sense. This certain group of people should not have basic human rights? Nah.
It's hilarious. People are trying to explain what was wrong with the OT "liberal" culture and it misses you completely.
By Knuckle Sandwich Go To PostGAF was my homepage. Great for real news, gaming news and a place on the internet without homophobic, transphobic and racist slurs thrown around like it's nothing. Apparently evilore had some dirty shit going on back when I was still lurking that I just learned about after this big one hit. Wish I never signed up tbh. At least I always used adblock lol.on the upside footy slaent has a pretty good Last Podcast fanbase
All these dark theme lovers are the true scourge, Gaf's cursed legacy infecting perfectly good websites. Switch back to light theme before its too late
By potam Go To Postlol…whew
enjoy your fucked up world views/experience
You expect anyone to take whatever bullshit you have seriously or into consideration with this passive aggressive baby shit you're on right now?
It's not rocket science. Do better.
By TheHunter Go To PostThere is no middle ground with people like that.
Ok, let's see if I can get this across somehow.
First, real life is not a game or movie or any work of fiction. People rarely fall into "completely good" and "completely evil".
Second, there is a middle ground in almost everything in life. Internet tribalism has made all discussions "all or nothing".
Third, I'm pretty sure this dude has done more for race relations than you. https://www.thedailybeast.com/meet-the-black-blues-musician-who-befriended-the-kkk
Maybe you should tell him that anyone with a different viewpoint isn't worth talking to.
Reilo I agree with the (former) gaf posters saying you should make a gaming section in this forum dedicated for gaming topics. Give the gaming section only one topic (about UT99) and make me the only mod of gaming slaent.
By potam Go To Postlol…whewMy dude, I'm a person who receives social security for being disabled with PTSD. If the government cut more welfare/benefits I'd receive literally nothing and be homeless. I already hear enough bullshit in my life about how I'm a worthless lazy piece of shit who should starve to death because I dared to uh, have a crippling mental condition.
enjoy your fucked up world views/experience
I'm not really trying to debate with chuds why should I have the right to have a roof over my head and food on my table.
Tangent: Is there a Destiny 2 PC Slaent group?
I mean...how explain to us logically how someone "baits" you into saying/doing something racist? Like not even trying to come at you in my normal way. I just want you to step back and really think about "racebaiting".
Or think about it like this, conservative America has ALWAYS called anyone who even dare broached the subject of race as a "racebaiter". MLK was called a damn "racebaiter", Rosa was called a "racebaiter", Obama was called a "racebaiter", Michelle was called a "racebaiter", Beyonce was called a "racebaiter" for her SB performance, when she dropped Formation.
So how is it not "right wing lingo" when it's always been used exclusively towards folks who speak out about racial issues (and even then it's almost always reserved for black folks)…
By potam Go To Postand what, pray tell, does my ass show? "race baiting" is not right wing lingo, compadre
I mean...how explain to us logically how someone "baits" you into saying/doing something racist? Like not even trying to come at you in my normal way. I just want you to step back and really think about "racebaiting".
Or think about it like this, conservative America has ALWAYS called anyone who even dare broached the subject of race as a "racebaiter". MLK was called a damn "racebaiter", Rosa was called a "racebaiter", Obama was called a "racebaiter", Michelle was called a "racebaiter", Beyonce was called a "racebaiter" for her SB performance, when she dropped Formation.
So how is it not "right wing lingo" when it's always been used exclusively towards folks who speak out about racial issues (and even then it's almost always reserved for black folks)…
By Zem Go To PostYeah, didn't Nintendo fire a woman because GG were harassing her? Or am I remembering it wrong?
They were harassing her because she had a side gig which they knew a visible PR for a family company would not like. They basically doxxed her and showed them her other job. I can't really fault nintendo for that. Fault GG.
By Not Go To PostI'm honestly glad I'm not going to spend ANOTHER 3 years of my life on NeoGAF.I was thinking Gaf dying was a chance to actually be productive too but then I found this site and this spiffy ass layout made me reconsider.
Maybe I should be rejecting this instinct to seek out replacements.
By IrishNinja Go To Postsome of ya'll really still upset gaf didn't let you say the type of reckless shit you can say virtually every other corner of the nextI think there has to be a limit of what constitutes hate speech, because on gaf almost literally anything disparaging was ban worthy.
so very poisoned, what with all the good resources & discussion that took place there, and brought much of that quality here too, it seems
I like that racial slurs and real hate speech wasnt tolerated but I got banned for saying somebody’s expression was unpleasant and for saying something about being fat. I’m gonna miss neogaf but lord anything that was a bit sexual or negative about a person got you banned. Jennifer Lawrence’s Behind looked great in them yoga pants and I said that and that got me kicked off for awhile lol.
By Suen Go To PostReilo I agree with the (former) gaf posters saying you should make a gaming section in this forum dedicated for gaming topics. Give the gaming section only one topic (about UT99) and make me the only mod of gaming slaent.Every post has to has to reference facing worlds somehow.
By Dozer1003 Go To PostI wonder how long before the full 'statement' that caused the mod exodus gets leaked.
the longer this goes, the more i gotta assume he's searching for a bidder or figuring out some other angle - his "responses" were always verbose back-patting that never struck me as having a great deal of time or thought put into them.
the drafts would be fun to see
HOW DARE YOU CUN
First of all, Neogaf dot com is a premier internet
have you even seen her? frankly i can do bett
We are known far & wide for respecting women, and frankly what had happened wa
I HAVE FOUGHT A THOUSAND MEN
Another Gaf refugee here, 10 years plus but much less active the last 5 years or so. Good to see a load of familar names so looking like this may be my new goto for gaming news etc and great that Football Gaf seems to have shifted here. Sad to see Gaf implode like this, will never forget eurogaf and the Killzone community we had (already seen Facism here and hope to see a few others KZObsessed, Raist etc).
By GoldenEye 007 Go To PostThat's very fair. Although there are some topics that just should not need a sit down chat to inform someone about to enlighten them. There were a series of massive failures throughout life that have been ingrained to lead some people to certain opinions and views. Welfare reform and taxes code? Sure. Make sense. This certain group of people should not have basic human rights? Nah.
Problem is, as you can see on this very page, you have people who are eager to equate the two in order to dismiss anyone who disagrees with them and stay in their safe space. When you have a forum full of these types of people and a moderation crew who enables them, it's a shit show.
By GoldenEye 007 Go To PostThat's very fair. Although there are some topics that just should not need a sit down chat to inform someone about to enlighten them. There were a series of massive failures throughout life that have been ingrained to lead some people to certain opinions and views. Welfare reform and taxes code? Sure. Make sense. This certain group of people should not have basic human rights? Nah.
That's what I'm getting at. There's a lot of middle ground and misinformation that can be used and "re-educated" (for lack of a better term). But people want to instantly jump down someone's throat because they read an article the other day arguing for welfare reforms, and they mention it in a discussion.
By Fergie Go To PostHopefully Slaent mods will be on top of these "influxes" coming into this forum.We are watching.
By IrishNinja Go To Postoh? the harassment was pretty shit (wasn't that about xenoblade chronicles localization choices? am i remembering that right?) but if her side hustle did her in, then yeah, sucks but them's the breaks
she got harassed for so much shit I think. I want to say all the localization stuff and slight omissions were pinned on her even though her job didn't involve localizing, I don't believe, and she also very vocally supported all the same stuff that her harassers did. they basically just saw a prominent female in the Treehouse and decided to fuck her over.
By Too rich Go To PostThey were harassing her because she had a side gig which they knew a visible PR for a family company would not like. They basically doxxed her and showed them her other job. I can't really fault nintendo for that. Fault GG.
oh damn I didn't know her harassers were the ones who tipped off Nintendo, that's fucked
By Angelus Errare Go To PostTangent: Is there a Destiny 2 PC Slaent group?Not for PC specifically yet, so far it has just been a General Destiny thread.
Feel free to join the clan.
http://slaent.com/thread/1096905/page/1/