By Megatherium Go To PostI hear this a lot and I always want to ask…. in what conceivable way is your boredom with certain facets of discussion something that anyone should care about?All I'm saying is that when the discussion turns into a "shit throwing contest" about the developers, GG scandals or whatever and not the game it bores me. And when I say "bores me" it actually bores me because I don't care about that problem.
I don’t mean here’s anything about you in particular, I’m just asking why such a complaint should matter.
Unless “bored” is code for “I disagree with it and that makes me angry”
I have no opinion on it because, as I already said, there are more important things to care about imo.
By Cheebo Go To PostThe thing that remains most hilariously sad is how chidlish Evilore acted. He didn't try to apologize and attone. He acted like a spoiled child and shut down GAF instead. In the end the internet will be a better place without GAF though.
Yeah that is right, but to be honest, totally matches my impression of him. He owns this amazing video game forum, but acted like a child, which wants to be very intelligent and famous.
By IrishNinja Go To Postill cop to not fucking with gaming side much in recent yearsBut here's my hot take on how things went down over there anyway
By Cheebo Go To PostThe thing that remains most hilariously sad is how chidlish Evilore acted. He didn't try to apologize and attone. He acted like a spoiled child and shut down GAF instead. Good riddance.
To be fair, most of the mods jumped ship and (at least) OT was slammed with multiple topics on the situation. Impossible to moderate. The discussions should still be had, but some people were going to have a field day fucking around trolling without moderation.
It has already started. I see all the same patterns of GAF OT creepin into this thread. Look at this shit.
Not even 24 hours since shutdown and I'm having a dumb pretentious gamergate discussion here. Guess what: nearly all the shit you like and buy has some racist, sexist or exploitive scumbag at some point of the supply-chain making some bucks. You want to boycot a game, go ahead. But don't be a hypocrite and blast others who don't give a fuck since you clearly don't either for zillions of other products outside of gaming.
Not even 24 hours since shutdown and I'm having a dumb pretentious gamergate discussion here. Guess what: nearly all the shit you like and buy has some racist, sexist or exploitive scumbag at some point of the supply-chain making some bucks. You want to boycot a game, go ahead. But don't be a hypocrite and blast others who don't give a fuck since you clearly don't either for zillions of other products outside of gaming.
By potam Go To Postlol i'm an ignorant coward, now. I missed thisWhy are you so sensitive? You need to take your own fucking advice and realize that people have different opinions than you.
I disagree with you guys about the mods, gaf mods were one of my two favorite things about the place, alongside the signup procedure. Maybe gaf took both of those a little too far, but it was still basically the only large online community I could describe as mostly troll-free.
By thekad Go To PostAn excuse to dismiss people who disagree with you.
you're not entitled to my attention, and dignifying toxic nonsense with a reply as though it warrants an argument isn't ideal either.
you think yakuza 3 was better than 4? cool, i think that's weird but let's talk about it. you think you should be able to dump on the marginalized? nah, FOH
By A Thousand Fights Go To PostSorry missed this the first time. Better?
much better, I enjoy your avatar as well.
By Akira Go To PostYeah that is right, but to be honest, totally matches my impression of him. He owns this amazing video game forum, but acted like a child, which wants to be very intelligent and famous.
dude his pseduo-intellectual posts any time something major happened. Like the "I stand with the paris agreement" thing. Dude, no one fucking cares about how green your game forum is.
By potam Go To PostI thought the topic of discussion was pretty obvious: my bad.
Angelus has a reputation of being protected by the mods. He could shitpost and stir the pot with whatever racebait topics he wanted. He'd get temp bans (way more than most people ever got before being perma'd) and come back a week later. I find it hilarious that he's lecturing people on how great the culture of neogaf was.
edit: there's a screenshot of a mod (besada maybe?) admitting this. He was allowed to stay because his views fell in line with the mods.
You showing your ass using right wing lingo, compadre.
By Storm Chamber Go To Post"Slant"I like it. But I might as well not get used to saying it because from the tone of this thread it doesn't look like the migration is gonna go well.
Been working for me tbh
By IrishNinja Go To Postangelus got away with stuff cause he's worth 10 of some of y'all, tell a friendYeah I definitely agree with that
see i thought this would be about the bernie stuff forever ago, but yeah, any time i was on about anti fascism i saw it too. there was this meme that GAF was all left, but that was a very american center left, at that
By potam Go To Postyeah, but your past status certainly gives you rose tinted glasses, so I think it's rich that you defend the toxic culture on that site because you were on the "right" sidebut why would you want to be on the wrong side?
By NovemberMagnus Go To PostI disagree with you guys about the mods, gaf mods were one of my two favorite things about the place, alongside the signup procedure. Maybe gaf took both of those a little too far, but it was still basically the only large online community I could describe as mostly troll-free.
the difference was, they defined trolls as anyone who had a different opinion and cared to voice it. I'm not defending Nazis (and let's not pretend there ever were any on gaf), but any time someone was like "well, maybe we should cut back on welfare programs" they were attacked for x, y, z instead of being talked to like a normal person.
By Xpike Go To Postblamespace vs timedog thread was the most circlejerky thing ive seen in a major forumFACTS.
Also Timedog and Devolution lol. Christ
By Xpike Go To Postblamespace vs timedog thread was the most circlejerky thing ive seen in a major forum
"Character" posters are always the worst.
By ashep Go To PostBut here's my hot take on how things went down over there anyway
whoopsie daisy
By Rumblebones Go To PostYou showing your ass using right wing lingo, compadre.
and what, pray tell, does my ass show? "race baiting" is not right wing lingo, compadre
edit: fuck it i'll take your word for it since I don't want look it up.
By ashep Go To PostFor years gaffers boasted about "the moderation" on neogaf and how it separated their slice of paradise from the rest of the internet hellscape.Some users always complained how GAF is too strict. Now they patrol borders to keep their new community clean in a different way. The hypocrisy with some people is so hilarious. They always stayed Gaf-ers, just outcast. Shouldn't they do the exact opposite to show how they are "better"?
No suprise there's pushback amongst other communities now they looking for a new home.
"race baiting" has gotta be like a breaitbart article tag/section
"if you care about one thing, you must care about all the things" is the laziest, context-devoid piece of anti-logic ive seen, and it still somehow persists
look at this shit.
and for free!
if y'all have a certain topic where you thought a gaming side pileon was unwarranted, go nuts. most times i hear about stuff like Tom or someone else defending pedo vita games and it's hard to really feel bad there
By DerZuhälter Go To PostIt has already started. I see all the same patterns of GAF OT creepin into this thread. Look at this shit.
Not even 24 hours since shutdown and I'm having a dumb pretentious gamergate discussion here. Guess what: nearly all the shit you like and buy has some racist, sexist or exploitive scumbag at some point of the supply-chain making some bucks. You want to boycot a game, go ahead. But don't be a hypocrite and blast others who don't give a fuck since you clearly don't either for zillions of other products outside of gaming.
"if you care about one thing, you must care about all the things" is the laziest, context-devoid piece of anti-logic ive seen, and it still somehow persists
look at this shit.
By ashep Go To PostBut here's my hot take on how things went down over there anyway
and for free!
if y'all have a certain topic where you thought a gaming side pileon was unwarranted, go nuts. most times i hear about stuff like Tom or someone else defending pedo vita games and it's hard to really feel bad there
By DerZuhälter Go To PostIt has already started. I see all the same patterns of GAF OT creepin into this thread. Look at this shit.What's starting is people are just having a discussion. When it comes to racial or gender issues, not everyone is in a position to just let it go - since it can affect them personally. But the key word is discussion and while people are disagreeing, nobody is being banned or dogpiled on. So I'm not sure what's so wrong with that. Unless you expect that people will agree on every possible topic and others will not ask questions or even challenge a position.
Not even 24 hours since shutdown and I'm having a dumb pretentious gamergate discussion here. Guess what: nearly all the shit you like and buy has some racist, sexist or exploitive scumbag at some point of the supply-chain making some bucks. You want to boycot a game, go ahead. But don't be a hypocrite and blast others who don't give a fuck since you clearly don't either for zillions of other products outside of gaming.
By DerZuhälter Go To PostIt has already started. I see all the same patterns of GAF OT creepin into this thread. Look at this shit.Who exactly is the target of this who didn’t voluntarily jump into it?
Not even 24 hours since shutdown and I'm having a dumb pretentious gamergate discussion here. Guess what: nearly all the shit you like and buy has some racist, sexist or exploitive scumbag at some point of the supply-chain making some bucks. You want to boycot a game, go ahead. But don't be a hypocrite and blast others who don't give a fuck since you clearly don't either for zillions of other products outside of gaming.
Everyone wants to share their opinion and GET INTO a discussion, and then when someone points out thathey find that persons views to be regressive, we get this bullshit drama about how the debate was forced on them, they don’t really care even though they got themselves involved, etc.
People talking about echo chambers can’t seem to steer around conversations they say they don’t want to have.
By Megatherium Go To PostAlso I wanna know before I waste my time, how much are posters like rev tolerated/how numerous are they?This place has been really relaxed for the past couple of years, with barely any posters speaking out of line. It's been mostly the anti-thesis of the shit stirring and shouting found on gaf. Obviously there has been a huge influx of new posters in the past 24 hours but hopefully we can return to that state again, just with more members.
By Not Go To PostMan, what a crazy diaspora. I wonder where everyone will end up.I really hope Lime starts a blog. That is if he wasn't just Huelen spinning around to a computer behind him and living virtual life as two sides of the same coin.
By flaxknuckles Go To PostI like it. But I might as well not get used to saying it because from the tone of this thread it doesn't look like the migration is gonna go well.Lot of boards are gonna be rough for about a week or so, no doubt
By Perfect Blue Go To PostFACTS.
Also Timedog and Devolution lol. Christ
Just so everyone's on the same page. We're not about to dig up any and all old beefs cause others are venting about Gaf going under.
By Megatherium Go To PostAlso I wanna know before I waste my time, how much are posters like rev tolerated/how numerous are they?Have a look through some topics, especially the gaming stuff.
If I wanted to hear Gaters stretch logic to spin someone’s fall and immediate ostracization as amounting to hypocrisy on the part of GAFers, like they’ve been doing incessantly for years I can just search twitter for mentions of the site.
It was nearly non existent, but obviously with the recent influx of new people the discussions of GAF and how certain topics were handled keep coming up.
Just avoid this topic, enjoy your stay and browse through the rest of the community.
Despite being banned from the site over nothing years ago, I hate to see this happening. This is a great loss. But the site had it coming - it was far too up its own ass and the election results radicalized it to the point of no return. I'm just going to repost what I posted over at Reddit:
Neogaf became the perfect bubble of basement-dwelling, social outcasts, generated by its own extreme leftism and arbitrary and hypocritical moderating. You could tell that many there are nothing more than internet forum Night's Watchmen with Napolean Complexes that couldn't navigate a social situation if it was being automated by Google software.
Human interaction is extremely complexed and nuanced. Neogaf, becoming a highly politicized bubble in the age of Donald Trump, doesn't allow for complexity or nuance. It doesn't allow for honesty and authenticity. It disregards the marred, yet, beautiful realities that make up the spectrum of the human experience. Progressives all wanna make it better, but no advocate of any ideal is perfect. I'm about as progressive as they come, and yet, I found that community to be an embarrassment to mankind. If you're not in lock-step with their political talking points; you're a racist, fascist, sexist etc. that champions "Both Sides". They became a collective bunch of freaking idiots at times. A veritable looney bin.
Unfortunately, they brought this on themselves. It sucks to see the forum potentially go down like this, because there's literally NO other forum around like it. The fact that internet gaming communities have migrated to the OBJECTIVELY WORSE arenas of social media (largely Twitter) and Discord is a goddamn travesty. Reddit is too large, too diverse, and too atomized, with a forum software that champions hot takes over genuine discussion. I'm sorry but I think it's terrible.
The internet needs a popular, traditional vBulletin-style message board like Neogaf, IMO. I was banned years ago (some mod took a sarcastic remark I made with another poster the wrong way, natch) but I still lurk several times a day. It's a part of my lifestyle. But it's going to be hard for many of these aforementioned types of people to support Evilore/GAF after this. I can't really blame them, either. GAF created them.
Reality bit Neogaf in the ass HARD today. It's almost a poetic irony. I really hope the forum survives this but it needs to grow-the-fuck-up, too.
By DerZuhälter Go To PostIt has already started. I see all the same patterns of GAF OT creepin into this thread. Look at this shit.I don't see the problem with people trying to make baby steps towards getting rid of that element. You're right in a lot of ways, shitty things are likely associated with everything I own in some form or another. However, is it fair to shut down discussion that tries to make people aware of those shitty things? Does you being made aware affect you? If you're getting upset over the discussion maybe you should ask yourself why.
Not even 24 hours since shutdown and I'm having a dumb pretentious gamergate discussion here. Guess what: nearly all the shit you like and buy has some racist, sexist or exploitive scumbag at some point of the supply-chain making some bucks. You want to boycot a game, go ahead. But don't be a hypocrite and blast others who don't give a fuck since you clearly don't either for zillions of other products outside of gaming.
By Net_Wrecker Go To PostI guess 3 years after someone gave me the heads up on this place- back when it was still pretty hush hush- is as good as time as any to finally make an account.
I know, I know. You're welcome.
I'm gonna miss GAF. It really became a hub of information, and turned into a site I could visit a few times a day to catch up on almost everything happening on Earth hour to hour. I avoided the controversial stuff and pretty much had a great 10 year run from lurking back when IGN's boards were still rocking, to posting when I realized all the news from every other site was pointing back to this NeoGAF place. The vibe was definetely getting weirder in the last few years though, and most especially since political Trump became a thing. This is unavoidable though, so I don't hold it against people too much. We're not in a good place culturally right now, and it's filtering into EVERYTHING, not just on GAF.
But now it's dead, jim. Welp.
Hopefully SLAENT and whatever the GAF Discord is working on can fill the massive hole left by this implosion. I am not trying to be an internet hobo again. Looking forward to GAF-Hop, Movie-GAF, Criterion-GAF (where we discuss real movies *adjusts monocle*), and every other community I frequented being rebuilt, somewhere somehow.
I used to post often in movies seen recently, and lurked criterion GAF. I wonder where a lot of those peeps go since I loved discussing gaffers takes on movies.
By Random Ass Username Go To PostGame devs and companies being silent on GG but taking shit about GAF is some whole other shit in and of itself. Especially when some of their own employees were targeted.
Yeah, didn't Nintendo fire a woman because GG were harassing her? Or am I remembering it wrong?
By Moris Go To PostJust so everyone's on the same page. We're not about to dig up any and all old beefs cause others are venting about Gaf going under.
By DerZuhälter Go To PostIt has already started. I see all the same patterns of GAF OT creepin into this thread. Look at this shit.
Not even 24 hours since shutdown and I'm having a dumb pretentious gamergate discussion here. Guess what: nearly all the shit you like and buy has some racist, sexist or exploitive scumbag at some point of the supply-chain making some bucks. You want to boycot a game, go ahead. But don't be a hypocrite and blast others who don't give a fuck since you clearly don't either for zillions of other products outside of gaming.
You may not enjoy your time here.
By DerZuhälter Go To PostIt has already started. I see all the same patterns of GAF OT creepin into this thread. Look at this shit.I hope the instigators are delt with swiftly or this forum will become as poisoned as gaf did.
Not even 24 hours since shutdown and I'm having a dumb pretentious gamergate discussion here. Guess what: nearly all the shit you like and buy has some racist, sexist or exploitive scumbag at some point of the supply-chain making some bucks. You want to boycot a game, go ahead. But don't be a hypocrite and blast others who don't give a fuck since you clearly don't either for zillions of other products outside of gaming.
I don't get it, I thought Blame Space was funny. What is this wierd "personality" argument I always see from Neogaf critics?
By Labor Go To PostLore being a sex fiend is a different issue from some of you being banned from or leaving Gaf because of your own bullshitLmao yeah felt this looking at twitter.
We got long memories
By flaxknuckles Go To PostHow do you even pronounce Slaent?Slant? Slent? Slay-ent?
I'm going to miss GAF but I don't really want much to do with because of Evilore now. It feels nice posting on a site with a design from this century
By viciousds Go To PostYou talking off topic or original thread?
I loved the OT’s it was where you didn’t get smashed for loving a game you like.
"OT" in the context of a thread stands for "Official Topic" (or, if you prefer, "Official Thread"), not "Original Thread."
Like, why would you even think it was "Original Thread"? How does that even make sense?
By Zem Go To PostYeah, didn't Nintendo fire a woman because GG were harassing her? Or am I remembering it wrong?
you're remembering wrong
By DerZuhälter Go To PostIt has already started. I see all the same patterns of GAF OT creepin into this thread. Look at this shit.If we can’t even have civil discussions like this, then talk about an echo chamber!
Not even 24 hours since shutdown and I'm having a dumb pretentious gamergate discussion here. Guess what: nearly all the shit you like and buy has some racist, sexist or exploitive scumbag at some point of the supply-chain making some bucks. You want to boycot a game, go ahead. But don't be a hypocrite and blast others who don't give a fuck since you clearly don't either for zillions of other products outside of gaming.
By Fergie Go To PostHopefully Slaent mods will be on top of these "influxes" coming into this forum.we're prepared.
By potam Go To Postthe difference was, they defined trolls as anyone who had a different opinion and cared to voice it. I'm not defending Nazis (and let's not pretend there ever were any on gaf), but any time someone was like "well, maybe we should cut back on welfare programs" they were attacked for x, y, z instead of being talked to like a normal person.Anyone saying "we should cut back on welfare" should be mercilessly shit on.
By Kimosabae Go To PostReality bit Neogaf in the ass HARD today. It's almost a poetic irony. I really hope the forum survives this but it needs to grow-the-fuck-up, too.</quote>
nothing in that small book you wrote for reddit actually had anything to do with why the site went down, but that's what i get for not stopping at "despite being banned over nothing years ago..."
By Zem Go To PostYeah, didn't Nintendo fire a woman because GG were harassing her? Or am I remembering it wrong?
yeah i wanna say that's how that went down too, shit was embarrassing