I'm just glad I was able to get a SNES classic from a fellow gaf member at cost plus shipping. Hopefully LowRoller is on here or whatever this new site will be, so I can thank him again once I receive it this week.
By sam777 Go To PostFuck, a proper cliffhanger then where the show has not been renewed.
Thanks
Same thing happened to me with The Agency.
By RoyalJCC Go To PostWhen you have developers saying how shit NeoGaf was then you can draw your own conclusions. And as we can all see some users didn't really like it either.Because the guy who sued Epic because his game sucked is such a respectable figure.
By Deadbeat Go To PostInjecting politics into every thread and belittling people if they didnt also follow the same protest/boycott/dog pile is the exact reason why the forum became so hostile in the tail end of its life. Spinning the narrative that neogaf was anything but is incredibly naiive. There is a reason people resent the place and not all those people are *insert identity politics insult of choice*.
games are art, art gets political
of course people resented it, many couldn't get in & many still got banned for hateful garbage. dogpiling on hateful garbage wasn't a bug, it was a feature.
and man, "identity politics" makes a lot more sense as an umbrella when you realize it's just anything not pandering to white guys.
By ashep Go To PostHonestly I can't tell if you're trying to be funny.I’m not here to discuss whether or not your opinions, if you even hold them, are problematic or not. That’s neither here nor there, I’m just saying that if you want to criticize GAF, you should be criticizing it for something that you cannot universally apply to every single piece of social media in the modern world. Because, in the heart of things, you will never find a community that is free from toxicity unless you curate and only expose yourself to your friends.
Dogpiling is the antithesis of exposing yourself to different perspectives. Shit's fucked and neogaf were fucking fantastic at it.
It happens to a much lesser degree in every other online community I've been a part of.
Also, none of the opinions I posted are "problematic".
By RoyalJCC Go To PostWhen you have developers saying how shit NeoGaf was then you can draw your own conclusions. And as we can all see some users didn't really like it either.To be fair, some developers kind of deserve to be criticized and called out. That's what happens when you put out a crap product. Or practice other anti-consumer tactics. Remember, gaming media in general seems wary to call people out because that means little to no access to product, etc. That's not a good dynamic for getting real answers for people in a news sense. I'm not shocked that some are happy they are not targeted as much - warranted or not.
But then again, I wasn't a poster on the gaming side really. Just occasional lurking when big news came out.
By W Go To PostFormer mod and Dutchman Linius, already got that lined up, sorry. He will be making a strong case for our zwarte friend.
By VitalNonsense Go To PostA replacement gaf IS being worked on and I'm told that some of the previous mod team are contributors to the project. It's being talked about on the discord. It will use the xenForo forum software. They plan to maintain some form of restricted registration and are trying to figure out how to migrate existing members.
They're taking suggestions to find out what worked and what didn't work about neogaf to carry that into the product. I dont know who is leading this, though.
If the intention of the replacement is to replicate gaf, I have no desire to ever set foot there. We very much need a drastic shift in perspective. Not going backwards.
Game devs and companies being silent on GG but taking shit about GAF is some whole other shit in and of itself. Especially when some of their own employees were targeted.
By G Shumy Go To PostCan I call dibs on making the Black Pete thread?I think the discussion will be much more one-sided this time around.
By Random Ass Username Go To PostGame devs and companies being silent on GG but taking shit about GAF is some whole other shit in and of itself. Especially when some of their own employees were targeted.
shit was cowardice plain & simple, and god knows anyone making a stance online got relentlessly harassed on twitter/etc but yeah...that's what shit looks like when you literally stand for nothing but a fear of isolating any perceived crowd
By W Go To PostFormer mod and Dutchman Linius, already got that lined up, sorry. He will be making a strong case for our zwarte friend.
Don't slander the honorable Linius like this.
By brainchild Go To PostIf the intention of the replacement is to replicate gaf, I have no desire to ever set foot there. We very much need a drastic shift in perspective. Not going backwards.we're definitely nothing like GAF.
we steer clear of that culture.
hopefully y'all notice the difference.
By halfbeast Go To Postyou not caring about the representation of women in video games (or media in general) isn't something that needs support.Then don't support it. The thing is when that issue is in all discussions, it kinda bores me to honest.
People can and should fight for what they care and believe in but when you start shit talking people because they're interested in a videogame made by a GG developer then you know that something is wrong. Everyone is free to buy whatever game they want and don't need to be told how a piece of shit they are by "supporting" a GG.
God it's hilarious. The captives are still in love with the (dead) captors.
"Why didn't people like GAF?"
"Well: X, Y, and Z"
"Oh apparently you're just a white male alt-righter"
"Why didn't people like GAF?"
"Well: X, Y, and Z"
"Oh apparently you're just a white male alt-righter"
By Random Ass Username Go To PostGame devs and companies being silent on GG but taking shit about GAF is some whole other shit in and of itself. Especially when some of their own employees were targeted.Are there receipts on devs talking shit about GAF? I've always just seen that tweet from Clifford Bleszinski and then this perpetuation of "devs hate GAF" but I've never seen any real (or widespread) evidence for it.
By Moris Go To PostDon't slander the honorable Linius like this.
I'm just saying, I remember his debates about this on gaf. #notmymoderator
By RoyalJCC Go To PostEveryone is free to buy whatever game they want and don't need to be told how a piece of shit they are by "supporting" a GG.
but they do tho
By IrishNinja Go To PostThe Last Night is by a guy who rides for gg, a harassment/hate campaign.you're not on gaf anymore, stop drinking the koolaid and think for yourself. maybe that's what it started as (i'll admit i was late to the party with GG - quite frankly, i didn't give a shit for a very long time) but from what i've seen they've honed in on cutting down the bullshit surrouding videogames (like right now they're questioning why Kotaku didn't question Evilore ahead of time since it knew about previous allegations).
Hell, if it wasn't for GG you fools would still be willingly giving ad money to a sexual predator. GAF was a target because it was a den of hypocrites, evidenced by Evilore's own discretions. You believed everything GAF told you, that everyone there was a paragon of virtue. Well guess what? There is no such place. People posting in this very thread could possibly be a piece of shit and we'll never know. My point is: GAF was a self-righteous shithole where idiots congregated to feel good about themselves.
Welcome to the real world.
By RoyalJCC Go To PostWhen you have developers saying how shit NeoGaf was then you can draw your own conclusions. And as we can all see some users didn't really like it either.Neogaf ran for almost 20 years and was strictly moderated, meaning that a whole lotta people got banned. It's negative reputation was an inevitable side-effect.
By brainchild Go To PostIf the intention of the replacement is to replicate gaf, I have no desire to ever set foot there. We very much need a drastic shift in perspective. Not going backwards.I didn’t even know Slaent existed on OldGAF because it was auto censored. If the new forum pulls stunts like that, they can kindly fuck off.
By rekameohs Go To PostYes. Modbot turned things into a mess. I understand its purpose, but it was quickly abused.
This is a really good point. Whatever good intentions Modbot may have been started off with were, within a year or two, turned into a little shield for some mods to hide behind for whatever reason. It began to suck any respect for the mod team away bit by bit.
By IrishNinja Go To Postbut they do tho
you do realize 99.9% of gamers care about...you know, the games, right? They don't research fucking developers, nor do they deep dive their twitter accounts looking for dirt.
By Poor GRIMES Go To PostI’m not here to discuss whether or not your opinions, if you even hold them, are problematic or not. That’s neither here nor there, I’m just saying that if you want to criticize GAF, you should be criticizing it for something that you cannot universally apply to every single piece of social media in the modern world. Because, in the heart of things, you will never find a community that is free from toxicity unless you curate and only expose yourself to your friends.Just like I said, no nuance. "This stuff happens everywhere therefore it's unfair to criticise neogaf for it".
I ain't here in this thread to talk about everywhere else. Nowhere does it happen to the degree it does on neogaf, hence the criticism.
By Spyder_Monkey Go To PostBecause the guy who sued Epic because his game sucked is such a respectable figure.How about the Rime developer that after reading neogaf cried for 2 days?
Devs should be called out for shitty tactics and products but it was simply stupid seeing some comments there. Being cruel and intolerant made some devs dislike Gaf.
By IrishNinja Go To Postbut they do thoCome on now. I'm a piece of shit because I actually don't care if he is a GG or not? I like his game, I'll buy it.
By IrishNinja Go To Postbut they do tho
By potam Go To PostGod it's hilarious. The captives are still in love with the (dead) captors.Like poetry.
"Why didn't people like GAF?"
"Well: X, Y, and Z"
"Oh apparently you're just a white male alt-righter"
By IrishNinja Go To Postfuck me, stormy's here too?
/v/ is there if you think all views - however bigoted, misogynistic, transphobic etc - are equal man. vloat is what "free" speech looks like,a nd depending on how you feel about others, it's not very respectful.
the paradox of tolerance is real
Alternatively, immediately jumping to calling someone bigoted for having a different opinion (or in this case, not having an opinion at all) isn't respectful or tolerant.
By moop2000 Go To PostI think we can all agree that killing Nazi's in Wolfenstein will be awesome though, amirite?It always was and always will be.
Allthough I miss the hilariously bad german voice lines from the older versions.
By moop2000 Go To PostI think we can all agree that killing Nazi's in Wolfenstein will be awesome though, amirite?
By Hystzen Go To PostGuess Evil lore is not getting a character portrait in next Pillars Of Eternity game and no more GAF island
Isn't it paid for already?
By moop2000 Go To PostI think we can all agree that killing Nazi's in Wolfenstein will be awesome though, amirite?Wolfenstein and Doom both coming back with such big statements is kicking ass
By rev Go To Postyou're not on gaf anymore, stop drinking the koolaid and think for yourself. maybe that's what it started as (i'll admit i was late to the party with GG - quite frankly, i didn't give a shit for a very long time) but from what i've seen they've honed in on cutting down the bullshit surrouding videogames (like right now they're questioning why Kotaku didn't question Evilore ahead of time since it knew about previous allegations).
Hell, if it wasn't for GG you fools would still be willingly giving ad money to a sexual predator. GAF was a target because it was a den of hypocrites, evidenced by Evilore's own discretions. You believed everything GAF told you, that everyone there was a paragon of virtue. Well guess what? There is no such place. People posting in this very thread could possibly be a piece of shit and we'll never know. My point is: GAF was a self-righteous shithole where idiots congregated to feel good about themselves.
Welcome to the real world.
cool cool
hey kindly take your gg apologist garbage right the fuckouttahere, im sure there's other spots that could use that PR - appreciate the transparent red pill condescension & visiting my intentions as well, stranger on the internet.
you've made a solid point about possible pieces of shit in this thread though
By Raging GAFfot Go To PostIsn't it paid for already?
issueRefund(Evilore)
By ashep Go To PostJust like I said, no nuance. "This stuff happens everywhere therefore it's unfair to criticise neogaf for it".I’m not entirely sure how you’re mistaking my post for “missing nuance” though. It does happen everywhere, and as someone who continually participated in large social media platforms like Reddit, Twitter, etc. dogpiling is absolutely a symptom of all of those. Considering that GAF was the largest gaming enthusiast forum on the web, not counting subforums on other platforms, then that makes it more susceptible to toxicity.
I ain't here in this thread to talk about everywhere else. Nowhere does it happen to the degree it does on neogaf, hence the criticism.
Again, you can only really avoid that level of toxic behavior if you only participate in smaller forums or communities. If we want to have a better criticism of GAF, we should be talking about how moderation was overtly harsh as times because of its clear favoritism and lack of transparency. That’s what we should be talking about, not the toxicity of its userbase.
By potam Go To PostGod it's hilarious. The captives are still in love with the (dead) captors.dyin ere
"Why didn't people like GAF?"
"Well: X, Y, and Z"
"Oh apparently you're just a white male alt-righter"
motherfuckers coming in not realising they were the problem
By IrishNinja Go To Postgames are art, art gets politicalThat'd be cool if everyone that got dogpiled actually were guilty of spewing "hateful garbage."
of course people resented it, many couldn't get in & many still got banned for hateful garbage. dogpiling on hateful garbage wasn't a bug, it was a feature.
and man, "identity politics" makes a lot more sense as an umbrella when you realize it's just anything not pandering to white guys.
Most weren't.
By thekad Go To PostAlternatively, immediately jumping to calling someone bigoted for having a different opinion (or in this case, not having an opinion at all) isn't respectful or tolerant.
yes, all bigots should be given the benefit of the doubt, they're prolly great people if you get to know them etc etc
By moop2000 Go To PostI think we can all agree that killing Nazi's in Wolfenstein will be awesome though, amirite?
By rev Go To Postyou're not on gaf anymore, stop drinking the koolaid and think for yourself. maybe that's what it started as (i'll admit i was late to the party with GG - quite frankly, i didn't give a shit for a very long time) but from what i've seen they've honed in on cutting down the bullshit surrouding videogames (like right now they're questioning why Kotaku didn't question Evilore ahead of time since it knew about previous allegations).This is coming from the premise that many posted because of EL, though. There were plenty that posted just because they liked their particular community and likely didn't get involved with personal drama and issues relating to EL. And yeah likely a good chunk sees the shit world around them and didn't want to be told that their personal standing is irrelevant or not worth fighting for. Nobody reasonable should ever think that everyone is perfect. Trust me, I've resigned myself to assume that someone is likely deeply flawed until proven otherwise. The world around me shows me that.
Hell, if it wasn't for GG you fools would still be willingly giving ad money to a sexual predator. GAF was a target because it was a den of hypocrites, evidenced by Evilore's own discretions. You believed everything GAF told you, that everyone there was a paragon of virtue. Well guess what? There is no such place. People posting in this very thread could possibly be a piece of shit and we'll never know. My point is: GAF was a self-righteous shithole where idiots congregated to feel good about themselves.
Welcome to the real world.
By IrishNinja Go To Postbut they do tho
It's possible to enjoy products without necessarily supporting the views of the people that make them.
By rev Go To Postyou're not on gaf anymore, stop drinking the koolaid and think for yourself. maybe that's what it started as (i'll admit i was late to the party with GG - quite frankly, i didn't give a shit for a very long time) but from what i've seen they've honed in on cutting down the bullshit surrouding videogames (like right now they're questioning why Kotaku didn't question Evilore ahead of time since it knew about previous allegations).
Hell, if it wasn't for GG you fools would still be willingly giving ad money to a sexual predator. GAF was a target because it was a den of hypocrites, evidenced by Evilore's own discretions. You believed everything GAF told you, that everyone there was a paragon of virtue. Well guess what? There is no such place. People posting in this very thread could possibly be a piece of shit and we'll never know. My point is: GAF was a self-righteous shithole where idiots congregated to feel good about themselves.
Welcome to the real world.
I mean, GG is a lot shittier then that, especially during its heyday in the 2014/2015 when there was a bunch of harassment and death threats going on. But you're right about the self-righteous of GAF, especially in the OT. Always felt is was a competition on who can be the most "woke" or running the latest phrase into the ground. I swear to god if I hear milkshake fucking duck one more time...
By rekameohs Go To PostYes. Modbot turned things into a mess. I understand its purpose, but it was quickly abused.lol modbot - A coward's way out
By IrishNinja Go To Postyes, all bigots should be given the benefit of the doubt, they're prolly great people if you get to know them etc etc
you seriously don't get it dude, do you? dense motherfucker
edit: lemme spell it out for you, slow-like: immediately calling someone a bigot just because they have a different viewpoint, without trying to understand their viewpoint in order to discuss/change it, is fucking childish and dumb. You could get away with it on the GAF echo chamber, but real life is a little bit trickier.
By rev Go To Postyou're not on gaf anymore, stop drinking the koolaid and think for yourself. maybe that's what it started as (i'll admit i was late to the party with GG - quite frankly, i didn't give a shit for a very long time) but from what i've seen they've honed in on cutting down the bullshit surrouding videogames (like right now they're questioning why Kotaku didn't question Evilore ahead of time since it knew about previous allegations).How did GG help expose EL? It seems that the allegations against EL were enough to make people leave. Why are you judging an entire forum's community for the mistakes of the owner? Just because people as individuals do shitty things does not mean the community around them will accept them blindly, EL did something shitty and is justifiably getting called out for it. I would think the same would happen here.
Hell, if it wasn't for GG you fools would still be willingly giving ad money to a sexual predator. GAF was a target because it was a den of hypocrites, evidenced by Evilore's own discretions. You believed everything GAF told you, that everyone there was a paragon of virtue. Well guess what? There is no such place. People posting in this very thread could possibly be a piece of shit and we'll never know. My point is: GAF was a self-righteous shithole where idiots congregated to feel good about themselves.
Welcome to the real world.
By rev Go To Postyou're not on gaf anymore, stop drinking the koolaid and think for yourself. maybe that's what it started as (i'll admit i was late to the party with GG - quite frankly, i didn't give a shit for a very long time) but from what i've seen they've honed in on cutting down the bullshit surrouding videogames (like right now they're questioning why Kotaku didn't question Evilore ahead of time since it knew about previous allegations).
Hell, if it wasn't for GG you fools would still be willingly giving ad money to a sexual predator. GAF was a target because it was a den of hypocrites, evidenced by Evilore's own discretions. You believed everything GAF told you, that everyone there was a paragon of virtue. Well guess what? There is no such place. People posting in this very thread could possibly be a piece of shit and we'll never know. My point is: GAF was a self-righteous shithole where idiots congregated to feel good about themselves.
Welcome to the real world.
the fuck
By Raging GAFfot Go To PostIsn't it paid for already?
again my guy, that username isn't conducive to sticking around
Could we have a "The Last Night OT" and a "Tim Soret is a literal Nazi OT" and just disallow cross-posting? I always felt that would have been a good solution compared GAF's CrossingEden vs Soul Calibur Outfits anger mismanagement events.
By RoyalJCC Go To PostThen don't support it. The thing is when that issue is in all discussions, it kinda bores me to honest.
People can and should fight for what they care and believe in but when you start shit talking people because they're interested in a videogame made by a GG developer then you know that something is wrong. Everyone is free to buy whatever game they want and don't need to be told how a piece of shit they are by "supporting" a GG.
while I agree with you, people shouldn't tell others what to do, other than explain why they're not doing it. in the case of Last Night I won't get the game, because of the dude's attitude. I'm still curious how it affected the game and would gladly discuss it with somebody who bought and played it. unfortunately, it'll always end up in a them vs us discussion, which will lead nowhere.
and for those boring issues, that come up all the time, it'll stop being boring once there's change. :3
By moop2000 Go To PostI think we can all agree that killing Nazi's in Wolfenstein will be awesome though, amirite?I rather have rtcw 2 with mp_beach remastered.
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