By Frankie Go To PostI agree with everything you said except a nuanced aspect of the first part. Of course presumption of innocence is a legal position, but we also live in an age where doxxing, unwarranted harassment and falsehoods are part of life, so I get to hold the awkward cognitive dissonance of both believing his accuser because MOST accusations of sexual harassment are true, statistically (based on many, many studies including a recent one for colleges) and giving him the benefit of the doubt just in case. I'm only just finding out about half the historical stuff though. I assume most users were oblivious to a lot of the stuff going on.I think you just exist somewhere between ābenefit of the doubtā and ācase closedā. You donāt want to condemn someone when youāre so far removed from it, but youāre not actually assuming heās innocent.
I put all my chips on ācase closedā as soon as he trotted out an obvious lie involving a Scientology offshoot cult.
By Frankie Go To PostI think that everyone should be considered innocent until proven guilty. I think if you were accused of something horrible, you would want that same presumption. I certainly would.Is this the real Frankie?
If he's innocent of the charges leveled against him, then what's happening now is outrageous and unfair. The site had a lot of enemies who're relishing this for often hypocritical reasons. But if he's guilty, then of course it serves him right.
But that goes both ways, so the nature of the "explanation" and denial that itself included equally evidence-free and caustic further accusations against the alleged victim simply amplified the mess and muddied the waters further.
But ultimately I think that the way this has been handled is shockingly tone deaf, from the utter silence (I mean, Twitter was working that weekend, y'know).
There's also the matter of massive and far-reaching and irrelevant censorship - as if Poligaf was somehow responsible for all of this, and the censorship of links to alternative communities. It's all so clumsy and tone-deaf. So I'm out.
If I was wrong about all this I'll publicly apologize, but until that time I'm taking a break and heading to pastures new. See you here, and on twitter @franklez and good luck everyone. That was a great community while it lasted and I genuinely hope you all continue to enjoy your hobby.
Just 'cos 2 years ago you were Stinkles on this site...
And as you very rightly said back then:
"Actually Jem, there's no specific validation required to join sleaeaaaent so I could be anyone."
http://slaent.com/thread/317270/page/1/post/319346/
By Ogliarchenemy Go To PostNo, he just stacking GAF memes hoping people ignore the obvious red flags.I think he needs to go ly dow
By Megatherium Go To PostI think you just exist somewhere between ābenefit of the doubtā and ācase closedā. You donāt want to condemn someone when youāre so far removed from it, but youāre not actually assuming heās innocent.That and revenge porn shit plus him admitting himself to groping a waitress in Spain.
I put all my chips on ācase closedā as soon as he trotted out an obvious lie involving a Scientology offshoot cult.
Hell even if he was innocent the way he's handling this is completely childish.
I almost feel bad for Tyler creating a new mod account and reading his posts. I would be surprised if $30 Italian meal was not him tbh.
By Ogliarchenemy Go To PostNo, he just stacking GAF memes hoping people ignore the obvious red flags.
I'm having trouble wrapping my head around why anyone would do that and NOT think it was a dummy mod/account.
By OmegaSquash Go To PostI'm having trouble wrapping my head around why anyone would do that and NOT think it was a dummy mod/account.
Itās obvious heās in a panic and scrambling to save what is left. An appeal to nostalgia is really all heās got.
By The Frankman Go To PostGood LORD Dizzyā¦ State of NeoGAF threadjesus....this is the kind of people GAF is home to now
Man, some users are wondering why Trump supporters are getting banned. Somebody once said that Gaf went 160. Still its shocking seeing the site turn into a trashy place in such a short time.
I also see new members, did Elflore approve more people in?
I also see new members, did Elflore approve more people in?
By Frankie Go To PostI think that everyone should be considered innocent until proven guilty. I think if you were accused of something horrible, you would want that same presumption. I certainly would.Welcome!
If he's innocent of the charges leveled against him, then what's happening now is outrageous and unfair. The site had a lot of enemies who're relishing this for often hypocritical reasons. But if he's guilty, then of course it serves him right.
But that goes both ways, so the nature of the "explanation" and denial that itself included equally evidence-free and caustic further accusations against the alleged victim simply amplified the mess and muddied the waters further.
But ultimately I think that the way this has been handled is shockingly tone deaf, from the utter silence (I mean, Twitter was working that weekend, y'know).
There's also the matter of massive and far-reaching and irrelevant censorship - as if Poligaf was somehow responsible for all of this, and the censorship of links to alternative communities. It's all so clumsy and tone-deaf. So I'm out.
If I was wrong about all this I'll publicly apologize, but until that time I'm taking a break and heading to pastures new. See you here, and on twitter @franklez and good luck everyone. That was a great community while it lasted and I genuinely hope you all continue to enjoy your hobby.
By ned_ballad Go To PostThere has been porn in the MLB thread for twelve hoursLol no one even trying over there anymore. Dizzy post was something else
Why doesnt tyler give people like dizzy and others mod powers to clean up the site. I mean why not commit to the gg crowd?
By Richter1887 Go To PostMan, some users are wondering why Trump supporters are getting banned. Somebody once said that Gaf went 160. Still its shocking seeing the site turn into a trashy place in such a short time.Heās been mass approving members since the site came back to try and prop up the site being in free fall
I also see new members, did Elflore approve more people in?
By Auto Simeone Go To Postthat Nsync OT šYeah that one was pretty good lol
By SpottieO Go To PostItās obvious heās in a panic and scrambling to save what is left. An appeal to nostalgia is really all heās got.
"Surely no one will suspect that a cobbling together of Good Old GAF Memories is secretly me." I really kinda do think it's him, or someone that wants to get a mod status REEEEEEALLY bad. Either way, that no one saw it backfiring is a little weird.
By Xpike Go To Postjesusā¦.this is the kind of people GAF is home to now
He got banned, FWIW. I get that Dizzy was upset but that was over the top, unnecessary, rude, and a variety of other adjectives.
By Richter1887 Go To PostMan, some users are wondering why Trump supporters are getting banned. Somebody once said that Gaf went 160. Still its shocking seeing the site turn into a trashy place in such a short time.
I also see new members, did Elflore approve more people in?
Yes, and I don't think all of them are terrible.
For many of them, they were greenlit to populate threads with posters that they may have already been familiar with, and now they already are asking for Discord invites to get off the damn ship.
By OmegaSquash Go To Post"Surely no one will suspect that a cobbling together of Good Old GAF Memories is secretly me." I really kinda do think it's him, or someone that wants to get a mod status REEEEEEALLY bad. Either way, that no one saw it backfiring is a little weird.
He got banned, FWIW. I get that Dizzy was upset but that was over the top, unnecessary, rude, and a variety of other adjectives.
The $30 Italian Meal account is a mod. Acct appeared out of nowhere as a mod so really only one person it could be.
By Sanjuro Go To PostYes, and I don't think all of them are terrible.I don't blame any of the new members at all. They didn't sign up to join what EL did to the forum. They were waiting like everyone else has since they added the membership gate, patiently, and now they are finally members and it's completely f*cked
For many of them, they were greenlit to populate threads with posters that they may have already been familiar with, and now they already are asking for Discord invites to get off the damn ship.
By Fenderputty Go To PostlmaoI saw that before the Dizzy post. Dishwalla went out with a bang.
By ned_ballad Go To PostThere has been porn in the MLB thread for twelve hoursLOL!!
By Altazor12 Go To PostDizzy's post is a doozy.I want to believe this is a reference to doozy from confesember....
By Sanjuro Go To PostYes, and I don't think all of them are terrible.Such a shame they were approved after this situation. I know I would hate being approved just to see the place go to hell.
For many of them, they were greenlit to populate threads with posters that they may have already been familiar with, and now they already are asking for Discord invites to get off the damn ship.
By Frankie Go To PostI think that everyone should be considered innocent until proven guilty. I think if you were accused of something horrible, you would want that same presumption. I certainly would.
If he's innocent of the charges leveled against him, then what's happening now is outrageous and unfair. The site had a lot of enemies who're relishing this for often hypocritical reasons. But if he's guilty, then of course it serves him right.
But that goes both ways, so the nature of the "explanation" and denial that itself included equally evidence-free and caustic further accusations against the alleged victim simply amplified the mess and muddied the waters further.
But ultimately I think that the way this has been handled is shockingly tone deaf, from the utter silence (I mean, Twitter was working that weekend, y'know).
There's also the matter of massive and far-reaching and irrelevant censorship - as if Poligaf was somehow responsible for all of this, and the censorship of links to alternative communities. It's all so clumsy and tone-deaf. So I'm out.
If I was wrong about all this I'll publicly apologize, but until that time I'm taking a break and heading to pastures new. See you here, and on twitter @franklez and good luck everyone. That was a great community while it lasted and I genuinely hope you all continue to enjoy your hobby.
Welcome back!
And yes, this is him, in case anyone was wondering.
By SpottieO Go To PostThe $30 Italian Meal account is a mod. Acct appeared out of nowhere as a mod so really only one person it could be.
I know. I'm just speculating that it COULD be someone that DM'd, offered to help, and was given the name/avatar/modship.
If I were to place a bet on whether or not it's EL however, then I'd put $100 on it being EL.
By Kingshango Go To PostSo apparently Evilore has been going through users PMs and banning users mentioning links to Discord, is that true?
I don't think so.
I think that there are counterspies. Mods are anonymous, so unless you know the user, it's not recommended sending PMs to strangers about goint to ResetEra or here.
No, it's not that serious. It's just that petty.
By OmegaSquash Go To PostI know. I'm just speculating that it COULD be someone that DM'd, offered to help, and was given the name/avatar/modship.Oh I gotcha, yeah, could be.
If I were to place a bet on whether or not it's EL however, then I'd put $100 on it being EL.
By Adam Go To PostWelcome back!
And yes, this is him, in case anyone was wondering.
There is no way that $30 dollar Italian Meal isn't Malka it reeks of too much desperation to be anyone else.
It is a bit hilarious how snowed under the mods and I've always wondered why there wasn't some kind of a report system but it's not great for the folk who are staying tbf. dunno why you would anymore but I can still sympathise with those who have to see porn in SFW threads. I imagine most of us have messed around on forums at school/work.
By Supha_Volt Go To PostI want to believe this is a reference to doozy from confesemberā¦.
Oh god, those threads. It's almost upon us, too. One wonders if the tradition will continue.
By The Frankman Go To PostLet's just say thanks to NeoGAF I know more about Blacked than I ever did before.
Yeah Sure you do ;)
By The Frankman Go To PostGood LORD Dizzyā¦ State of NeoGAF thread
Did we add "SJW" and "Cuck" to our word bingo?
By Supha_Volt Go To PostI want to believe this is a reference to doozy from confesemberā¦.
my post was an honest commentary about that post, a wordplay and a reference to "Doozy" š š
I see nimble is still fighting a good fight in that thread, I hope he doesn't plan to stick around. I want to PM him but I am afraid EL will see it.
By Cream Go To PostYeah Sure you do ;)
Well I know they at least ended up pointing me in the right direction. Not ashamed of my interests in the least bit.
By Frankie Go To PostI think that everyone should be considered innocent until proven guilty. I think if you were accused of something horrible, you would want that same presumption. I certainly would.
If he's innocent of the charges leveled against him, then what's happening now is outrageous and unfair. The site had a lot of enemies who're relishing this for often hypocritical reasons. But if he's guilty, then of course it serves him right.
But that goes both ways, so the nature of the "explanation" and denial that itself included equally evidence-free and caustic further accusations against the alleged victim simply amplified the mess and muddied the waters further.
But ultimately I think that the way this has been handled is shockingly tone deaf, from the utter silence (I mean, Twitter was working that weekend, y'know).
There's also the matter of massive and far-reaching and irrelevant censorship - as if Poligaf was somehow responsible for all of this, and the censorship of links to alternative communities. It's all so clumsy and tone-deaf. So I'm out.
If I was wrong about all this I'll publicly apologize, but until that time I'm taking a break and heading to pastures new. See you here, and on twitter @franklez and good luck everyone. That was a great community while it lasted and I genuinely hope you all continue to enjoy your hobby.
http://slaent.com/user/Stinkles/
Nice try b
By tino Go To PostI see nimble is still fighting a good fight in that thread, I hope he doesn't plan to stick around. I want to PM him but I am afraid EL will see it.I don't think you need to PM people now the word is out.
That Sleeping Dogs OT all that text and gifs and then it's another suicide. This shit won't end soon.
By Frankie Go To PostI agree with everything you said except a nuanced aspect of the first part. Of course presumption of innocence is a legal position, but we also live in an age where doxxing, unwarranted harassment and falsehoods are part of life, so I get to hold the awkward cognitive dissonance of both believing his accuser because MOST accusations of sexual harassment are true, statistically (based on many, many studies including a recent one for colleges) and giving him the benefit of the doubt just in case. I'm only just finding out about half the historical stuff though. I assume most users were oblivious to a lot of the stuff going on.
nah fam you ain't on this wave
By TheMikado Go To PostWell I know they at least ended up pointing me in the right direction. Not ashamed of my interests in the least bit.Greatest content creator on the internet. A person who likes Blacked is a person with refined tastes.
By Silky Go To Posthttp://slaent.com/user/Stinkles/The picture of himself for the avatar is the real giveaway here.
Nice try b