By Pennywise Go To Post"I'm not trying to ruin his life. I wasn't trying to call him out. I was responding to a fucking hashtag about sexual assault and sexual abuse, and that story fit really well. Who gets into a shower with a naked girl who's puking?"That's literally sexual assault and he pretty much confirms that it happened while at same breath calling her crazy. I don't want part with any of this bullshit and I do see his website falling after this, regardless his efforts to keep it afloat.
That line killed me.
I really wonder what he's thinking.
He had two decent options with just selling the site without any further damage, or just owning up and admitting it.
What a poor choice to talk to an reporter, using the words he did and still not doing anything else.
By ned_ballad Go To PostGaming only?
Yea, he’s going full Gater Haven
Gators don't want anything to do with him. They hate him more thab Hillary.
By DY_nasty Go To PostThat's unfair. I'm not speaking for all of them, but for many people within all sorts of jacked up institutions - people often feel the best way to fix something they care about is from the inside.
But everything has a boiling point.
By DY_nasty Go To PostThe Ray Lewis of Gaming
He claims an early interaction between the other woman and Malka proved explosive, and resulting in Leupp becoming "increasingly hostile and bitter. He claims she had "two separate public mental breakdowns" before the trip was over. These breakdowns, insisted Malka, were related to a "history of serious mental illness."I haven't really been keeping up with this story, but I cannot tell you how angry this statement makes me.
By faceless Go To PostOh no, just got notified of a card upgrade and realized that the Credit Card/Finance thread is gone.http://assets.neogafllc.netdna-cdn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=763370 if you want to grab anything from it this work around will still work for a while, especially using it along with archive.org/etc.
Helped me immensely in a meteoric 12 months rise in score.
By Spyder_Monkey Go To PostI'm blocked. What does it say?
It's basically a "Evilore is a cunt, but please for the love of GOD stop spamming "Fuck Evilore" every 2 seconds filling the chat with it while people are trying to find the communities that were displaced".
That's what it really says and means. But of course, people that are white hot with rage (and rightfully so towards EL right now) really REALLY want a place to spam "Fuck Evilore". They take extreme offense to not being allowed to do so, even if doing so is disrupting the chat.
They (ResetERA) will start the new forum, probably dedicate a thread to the discussion of the fallout (including as many "fuck evilores" as you can muster) and move forward. Moderation will still be a mainstay, meaning all those people banned for the Misogyny and straight up Racism will remain unwelcomed (they won't like that) and the earth will keep spinning. Seems perfectly fine to me.
By The Twin Jebs Go To PostI've upset people on GAF at times but was never banned for it, but that's because I wasn't an asshole about my opinions and backed them up with rational.
Should've tried doing that in lets say for example, a thread on FemFreq / Anita Sarkisian and see how long it takes to get banned, even with a totally rational and none shit-posty opinion. In my experience, if you went against the grain on anything you risked being banned on GAF.
By Auto Simeone Go To Post
Look I dont usually believe in conspiracies, but both President Obama and EL are actually left handed. Left. Handed.
Yep, screw him. Was more than willing to jump back on GAF if it came back up but not anymore. Not if he's involved.
This place is making me feel better about sticking around in its response to his comments in the Waypoint article too.
This place is making me feel better about sticking around in its response to his comments in the Waypoint article too.
By Einchy Go To PostHe pretty much never even posted, aside from from a post here or there, it was like he barely existed on the site. I think the most I saw him do on the ten years I've been on Gaf was just earlier this month when he went berserk and banned multiple prominent users for no reason. That shit was whack and I bet all the mods knew it, too.
By Hypron Go To PostYeah the few times he posted lately seemed to be either some low key bigoted shit or some "grand" statements about how he's taking a stand for/against something.
He suggested one time that I should get my testosterone levels checked.
That's good for a chuckle.
eh
love triangle, forgiveness and consensual sex after the fact, idk
I'm not saying I doubt it went down the way she describes, but there's enough there that I'm becoming increasingly uncomfortable about Malka being deemed guilty by pretty much everyone at this point
I don't even like the dude based on what I've seen and how he ran the site--shit, this site EXISTS because of his asshole policies, and gun to my head I'd say he's probably prone to aggressiveness bordering on if not straight up harassment, but this particular event and its history is not particularly well supported by evidence
love triangle, forgiveness and consensual sex after the fact, idk
I'm not saying I doubt it went down the way she describes, but there's enough there that I'm becoming increasingly uncomfortable about Malka being deemed guilty by pretty much everyone at this point
I don't even like the dude based on what I've seen and how he ran the site--shit, this site EXISTS because of his asshole policies, and gun to my head I'd say he's probably prone to aggressiveness bordering on if not straight up harassment, but this particular event and its history is not particularly well supported by evidence
"people are going to intiiate or escalate physical contact with you without your signed express written consent, especially when alcohol is involved and its in a setting where physical contact is the whole point."
How does a mind even get here, SLAENT?
How does a mind even get here, SLAENT?
By Hypron Go To PostYeah diversity threads in gaming side tended to be dumpster fires for that reason.
All of the Transgender threads were awful. Every single one that ended up somehow on the gaming side were full of anti-trans rhetoric.
It's not possible she could have had meltdowns over such a gross incident or anything you festering pile of garbage. The "mental illness bitches be crazy jabs" are just more icing on top of the shit cake.
Jesus Christ EL is a cunt. I was open to going back to GAF mostly just to lurk again if he stepped down, but I am going nowhere near that filth now ever again.
“When asked about the exodus [of moderators who resigned from the site], Malka shouldered little of the responsibility, and instead pointed at how a "witch hunt" was being carried out to try and tarnish him and NeoGAF.”Holy. Fucking. Shit.
Malka told me NeoGAF should be fully operational later this evening, and in the near future, will be restructured to more exclusively focus on video games. NeoGAF will apparently move "away from the increasingly untenable off-topic discussions that made 2017 such a stressful year for everyone. As for me, I have no reason to go hide under a rock," he said. "I'll be at the helm as I always have.”
Disgusting.
Been a member on GAF, since 08, not much of a poster except sometimes in JRPG topics and a little CFB, but man that article show that the guy has no perspective on what has happened to that site now that this allegation came to the forefront. He sounds so creepy even in defence of himself, feel bad for the girl, hope that she doesn't get harassed by the hordes of those eager for revenge on GAF or those looking to defend EL...
By Dreams-Visions Go To Post"people are going to intiiate or escalate physical contact with you without your signed express written consent, especially when alcohol is involved and its in a setting where physical contact is the whole point."When you're a star, you can do anything..
How does a mind even get here, SLAENT?
By bucklam66 Go To PostBeen a member on GAF, since 08, not much of a poster except sometimes in JRPG topics and a little CFB, but man that article show that the guy has no perspective on what has happened to that site now that this allegation came to the forefront. He sounds so creepy even in defence of himself, feel bad for the girl, hope that she doesn't get harassed by the hordes of those eager for revenge on GAF or those looking to defend EL…inevitable.
By hasanahmad Go To PostThe waypoint article makes the mods Who lleft look really bad. FHey didn’t quit on principle or to make a stand , they quit because they didn’t want to be publicly shamed anymore. They didn’t quit when Amir0x case was handled badly because they wanted to hold on to the power they had as modsI can understand that viewpoint. But I guess it was kind of one of those things, under pressure, where no one wanted to be "the one" to step out and cause Gaf to crash under allegations. In some way, it's kind of like causing yourself to be in a spotlight, good and bad, and breaking something that has been there for a long time. In that sense, I understand why people were afraid to speak out and do something then.
At the same time, they could have talked it over and done something collectively. But it would mean them leaving their positions in the forum and causing a ruckus. It's a hard thing to evaluate. We also don't know the extent to which they knew Amir0x, and to which Tyler knew him, other than some loose evidence here and there that definitely proved Tyler was lying (as far as I know).
I know people might drastically disagree with what I'm saying, but I tend to think about "what would most people do in that situation?" and I have a hard time seeing people being brave then. Doesn't mean it's right, but it's an understandable reaction under certain pressures.
Malka claims the incident was exaggerated to defame him, a consequence of NeoGAF's strong opposition to GamerGate, even though it was thoroughly discussed on NeoGAF itself.
(It's true NeoGAF took an early and strict stance against GamerGate rhetoric, frequently banning and locking threads that entertained its arguments. Many of the first places Malka's allegations were discussed occurred in GamerGate-friendly online spaces.)
Due to this hostile relationship between GamerGate and NeoGAF, some wondered if the new allegations against Malka were fabricated as part of an attempt by GamerGate-friendly individuals to trick users. Several moderators I spoke to said this was the initial reaction internally, as well. It was a regular occurrence to have users "sacrifice" their accounts by posting inflammatory comments, knowing full well they'd be banned.
When you claim your sexual harassment is fabricated by other sexual harassers, despite you posting about your own sexual harassment just 5 years earlier on your own forum.
By Dozer1003 Go To Posthttps://waypoint.vice.com/en_us/article/qv384d/inside-the-sexual-misconduct-allegations-rocking-neogafs-last-48-hoursd?utm_source=wptwitterusWow, that's really enlightening. So the mod team were already close to their breaking point and this was more like the straw that broke the camels back than the sole cause. That's actually comforting to know.
Klepek's article. reading now
fucking LOL no wonder they all quit
By nearfantastica00 Go To PostJesus Christ EL is a cunt. I was open to going back to GAFmostly just to lurk againif he stepped down, but I am going nowhere near that filth now ever again.
He's making it easy with his slimGaf idea.
By Dreams-Visions Go To Postinevitable.Yup..it's a given..
By JigglesBunny Go To PostHoly. Fucking. Shit.Read as: "You think I'd easily give up my cash cow? Haha, no."
Disgusting.
EL can get bent.
By phqphq Go To PostThey don't have to be mutually exclusive tbf, and I say that as someone who used OT way more than Gaming
By phqphq Go To PostThrowing OT into the dumpster really does indicate that he feels that part of the site is at fault. Considering that's where he usually got called out on his bullshit, I guess that ain't surprising.
That Kotaku article gives me the impression that he's a hair-trigger away from going full gator.
By Dark PhaZe Go To Postehhow this was handled kinda jams up most of that though. if it was remotely as simple as he said she said under odd circumstances, then they wouldn't still be typing a statement and an entire mod team wouldn't have dissolved in a day
love triangle, forgiveness and consensual sex after the fact, idk
I'm not saying I doubt it went down the way she describes, but there's enough there that I'm becoming increasingly uncomfortable about Malka being deemed guilty by pretty much everyone at this point
I don't even like the dude based on what I've seen and how he ran the site–shit, this site EXISTS because of his asshole policies, and gun to my head I'd say he's probably prone to aggressiveness bordering on if not straight up harassment, but this particular event and its history is not particularly well supported by evidence
By Dreams-Visions Go To Post"people are going to intiiate or escalate physical contact with you without your signed express written consent, especially when alcohol is involved and its in a setting where physical contact is the whole point."Predators out themselves like this pretty consistently but more people just need to calibrate their focus.
How does a mind even get here, SLAENT?
I can just picture Klepek sitting there, nodding silently as this deluge of batshit washes over him.
By Gaz Go To PostIs ResetEra going to be a place where if you upset some easily offended snowflake then you get bopped with the ban hammer?You ain't gaz, I'm gaz. Get out of here
By hasanahmad Go To PostThe waypoint article makes the mods Who lleft look really bad. FHey didn’t quit on principle or to make a stand , they quit because they didn’t want to be publicly shamed anymore. They didn’t quit when Amir0x case was handled badly because they wanted to hold on to the power they had as mods
I admit I didn't give much thought to the Amir0x situation at the time. I saw a couple of the comments/threads before they were deleted, but didn't dig very deep. In hindsight, that should have been handled with much more transparently and a level of professionalism that you'd expect from a business as large as NeoGAF. Seeing EL's comments now, it's obvious why that was never going to happen.
So the cracks appeared after the amirox incident...
but issues where there for some time...
Malka's statement on Amir0x can be read in full here, which claims nobody knew Amir0x's real name, an explanation for why it took so long for the board to make an official statement on him. One moderator called that claim "patently false" and "the users knew it was crap."
but issues where there for some time...
"There was historically a lot of dissatisfaction with cases where he overrided us, made policy on a whim, or did things that we had to answer for," said one moderator.
By Stead Fast Go To PostThey don't have to be mutually exclusive tbf, and I say that as someone who used OT way more than Gaming
OT can have its own problems but evilore basically throwing OT under the bus for his own bullshit is what I was criticizing with that meme
How is that site going to come back online. I don't even get it. Who is willingly going to sign up to be a moderator for that place with him still being around?
Some of y'all are forgetting that what made GAF such a 'desirable' place to be in wasn't just the quantity of users, but also the quality. Like, industry insiders, devs, game journos ... with GAF's reputation being permanently damaged, no amount of 'average-Joe-GAFfer' is going to make the site as relevant again as it once was.
Schreier, Dark1x from Digitalfoundry, Durante, and many many more... If they don't come back (which i don't believe they will), GAF's nothing more than a strictly moderated forum of consumers. (not that 'regular' users didn't create any value. But plenty of forums have great contributors, GAF had the inside scoop and the attention of the entire industry - for better or worse.)
Great reporting by Klepek. The first worthwhile read on this whole issue (as it's not just someone putting together a quick summary of what happened)
The additional info on how even the mods thought the whole amir0x issue was mishandled, yet they weren't permitted to further comment on it sounds very plausible, and hopefully holds true.
Schreier, Dark1x from Digitalfoundry, Durante, and many many more... If they don't come back (which i don't believe they will), GAF's nothing more than a strictly moderated forum of consumers. (not that 'regular' users didn't create any value. But plenty of forums have great contributors, GAF had the inside scoop and the attention of the entire industry - for better or worse.)
Great reporting by Klepek. The first worthwhile read on this whole issue (as it's not just someone putting together a quick summary of what happened)
The additional info on how even the mods thought the whole amir0x issue was mishandled, yet they weren't permitted to further comment on it sounds very plausible, and hopefully holds true.
By Dozer1003 Go To Posthttps://waypoint.vice.com/en_us/article/qv384d/inside-the-sexual-misconduct-allegations-rocking-neogafs-last-48-hoursd?utm_source=wptwitterusThis is infuriating. He's nothing but trash.
Klepek's article. reading now
fucking LOL no wonder they all quit
I'm still not getting access to anything on the Discord besides #read
Would be interesting to know what's going on
Would be interesting to know what's going on
Reading through that Waypoint article just makes my blood boil. I mean, for fucks sake, at least have some fucking self-respect and self reflection to give some sort of apology or statement -- however half-hearted it may be. But to completely deny everything -- at the expense of the victim, no less -- and try to take the moral high ground. Is there any excuse he didn't use to try to throw her under the bus? Trying to claim she had a mental illness and that was why she had issues? Go fuck yourself, dude. Seriously.
Admittedly, before reading the article, I was prepared to go back, if he was able to return the site to its former operation. I never had the issues with the mods that others did -- perhaps because I stayed out of the real controversial threads and just read more than I posted. So once everything blew over, I was prepared to return because I enjoyed several of the communities on there. But after reading this article? I don't want to contribute a dime to his pockets.
I remember reading a story some time, many years ago, about GAF and -- if my recollection of the details is correct -- wasn't Malka essentially handed GAF when he was a teenager? Seems like the dude has had a free ride of cash for most of his adult life without having to do anything for it. As the site grew, so did his ego and bank account. Now he thinks he's a fucking Internet celebrity and can do whatever the fuck he wants. Fuck him. Hopefully, word continues to spread about how much of a piece of shit he is and people venture to other boards.
Admittedly, before reading the article, I was prepared to go back, if he was able to return the site to its former operation. I never had the issues with the mods that others did -- perhaps because I stayed out of the real controversial threads and just read more than I posted. So once everything blew over, I was prepared to return because I enjoyed several of the communities on there. But after reading this article? I don't want to contribute a dime to his pockets.
I remember reading a story some time, many years ago, about GAF and -- if my recollection of the details is correct -- wasn't Malka essentially handed GAF when he was a teenager? Seems like the dude has had a free ride of cash for most of his adult life without having to do anything for it. As the site grew, so did his ego and bank account. Now he thinks he's a fucking Internet celebrity and can do whatever the fuck he wants. Fuck him. Hopefully, word continues to spread about how much of a piece of shit he is and people venture to other boards.
By Fliesen Go To PostSome of y'all are forgetting that what made GAF such a 'desirable' place to be in wasn't just the quantity of users, but also the quality. Like, industry insiders, devs, game journos … with GAF's reputation being permanently damaged, no amount of 'average-Joe-GAFfer' is going to make the site as relevant again as it once was.
Schreier, Dark1x from Digitalfoundry, Durante, and many many more… If they don't come back (which i don't believe they will), GAF's nothing more than a strictly moderated forum of consumers.
Great reporting by Klepek. The first worthwhile read on this whole issue (as it's not just someone putting together a quick summary of what happened)
The additional info on how even the mods thought the whole amir0x issue was mishandled, yet they weren't permitted to further comment on it sounds very plausible, and hopefully holds true.
plus a lot of those types are seemingly on board with resetera