NBA 2018 Offseason | I'm trying Jennifer

By pkaz01 Go To PostAnd Booker isn’t?

is knicks jamal crawford a good offensive player

booker isn't even as good as jason richardson yet

By Red Blaster Go To Postis knicks jamal crawford a good offensive player

Sure by the time the season starts Booker will be worse than Hezonja too

I can't wait to watch Timberwolves vs. Suns this season. It's going to be an evenly matched game(s).

KAT ain't worth the max. I'd feel more comfortable giving that money to Winslow.

kat had a 4.4 ows last season on 64ts% lmao

he's early 2000s dirk while booker just takes a lot of shots

KAT is definitely worth the max. I just would have probably let him take the 4 year max (or match his offer)

By diehard Go To PostKAT is definitely worth the max. I just would have probably let him take the 4 year max (or match his offer)

No, that's how the Wolves get totally boned because he'll sign some offer sheet with a player option and then we only get him for three years instead of five.

He's the guy. Sign him to the extension, fire Thibodeau, and then get somebody in here that can hopefully get better players around Towns.

depending on who replaces thibs, wolves are gonna have the worst defense in the league

By alt sy Go To Postdepending on who replaces thibs, wolves are gonna have the worst defense in the league

They've been 27th on defense each of the two season under Thibs because his schemes are outdated and everybody figure out how to beat ice ages ago. How could it seriously get worse?

By rodeoclown Go To PostThey've been 27th on defense each of the two season under Thibs because his schemes are outdated and everybody figure out how to beat ice ages ago. How could it seriously get worse?

They were 22nd last year. KAT getting paid and no more Jimmy and Thibs trying to shame KAT and Wiggins into playing defense.

damn im fuckin up....

DO IT MITCH

take
me
now

By alt sy Go To PostThey were 22nd last year. KAT getting paid and no more Jimmy and Thibs trying to shame KAT and Wiggins into playing defense.

Basketball reference has them at Def Rtg: 111.1 (27th of 30) .

Nobody was shaming anybody into anything, especially since the biggest sieve on defense isn't either of them, but is actually Jeff Teague, who is incapable of literally anything of defense. They also played Jamal Crawford a ton, who was maybe the worst defensive player in the league.

Naughty Dog would make a way better basketball game.

I do hope psy's dream comes true and Winslow gets that max, though.

By Smoke Dogg Go To PostNaughty Dog would make a way better basketball game.

Press X to hit game winner.

2k is supposed to be 60fps but none are as smooth as UC4 or Lost Legacy. SMH

By diehard Go To PostPress X to hit game winner.

Unlike most ND games, 2k19 has tons of QTEs

By Pac-12 Go To PostI do hope psy's dream comes true and Winslow gets that max, though.

It's Justise season. MIP confirmed.

By Smoke Dogg Go To PostWe bout to be paying Josh Hart some $38m/yr too then. Yo bro do you guys still have Marcus Smart? I'm trynna see Josh Hart flex on him.

Yeah we still got Smart the PG goon

Towns ain’t shit
Even horford isn’t afraid of him

By rodeoclown Go To PostThey've been 27th on defense each of the two season under Thibs because his schemes are outdated and everybody figure out how to beat ice ages ago. How could it seriously get worse?

That's part of the reason for his defensive deficiencies. Because of the outdated defensive schemes that Thibs employs and the lack of apparent trust between most of the team, KAT's defensive deficiencies come from him trying to do too much on the defensive end and leaving himself in bad defensive positions in doing so. So of course he is going to struggle defensively.

It's really easy and lazy to say that KAT is just a bad and lazy defender, but that isn't the case. KAT has the potential to be a good plus defender, to go along with his very gifted offensive capabilities.

He just isn't put in a place to succeed with all the changes and lack of structure in the team. The way you guys talk about him is like you're saying he's Jahlil Okafor and thats not even close to being the case.

Wiggins on the other hand.... You can say he is lazy and he doesn't have heart and I don't think he will find it. But not KAT.

By DY_nasty Go To PostDurant's handle is so hard to describe. He's more amazing at controlling the ball at that length than anything. I don't even think his handle is that much better than Giannis' if at all.

Both have decent handles for their length but honestly KD shouldn't be handling the ball as much as he does... and comparing his handles to MJ is like why?

By blackace Go To PostBoth have decent handles for their length but honestly KD shouldn't be handling the ball as much as he does… and comparing his handles to MJ is like why?

I think he was referencing that post about players having all 4 things, and it was a way to mention Durant.

By diehard Go To PostI think he was referencing that post about players having all 4 things, and it was a way to mention Durant.

you can say KD has handles without saying that they are better than MJs?

By blackace Go To Postyou can say KD has handles without saying that they are better than MJs?

Well, it was a "who is above average to great at these four skills"

And it's very unclear what the poster meant by above average in the categories but he felt Jordan had above average handles so I used Jordan as a comparison point.

Like, the post implies LeBron's shooting isn't at that level where it's considered above average or great and maybe that's true but I'm not sure by the same very high standards that Jordan's handles are great? IDK.

By shun Go To PostThat's part of the reason for his defensive deficiencies. Because of the outdated defensive schemes that Thibs employs and the lack of apparent trust between most of the team, KAT's defensive deficiencies come from him trying to do too much on the defensive end and leaving himself in bad defensive positions in doing so. So of course he is going to struggle defensively.

It's really easy and lazy to say that KAT is just a bad and lazy defender, but that isn't the case. KAT has the potential to be a good plus defender, to go along with his very gifted offensive capabilities.

He just isn't put in a place to succeed with all the changes and lack of structure in the team. The way you guys talk about him is like you're saying he's Jahlil Okafor and thats not even close to being the case.

Wiggins on the other hand…. You can say he is lazy and he doesn't have heart and I don't think he will find it. But not KAT.

KAT is lazy on D. Thibs isn't helping but having all the tools and being shitty on D is kinda on him.

By IWMTB19 Go To PostWell, it was a "who is above average to great at these four skills"

And it's very unclear what the poster meant by above average in the categories but he felt Jordan had above average handles so I used Jordan as a comparison point.

Like, the post implies LeBron's shooting isn't at that level where it's considered above average or great and maybe that's true but I'm not sure by the same very high standards that Jordan's handles are great? IDK.

MJ's handles were quite good... LBJ came in with a poor jumper but now his jumper is a amazing...

But KD? His handles are just good enough to bring the ball up now and then

If you are going to be picky about KD's handles I don't think you can call Lebron's jumpshot amazing

KD's handle is impressive only due to his height. Nothing about his specific handles is noteworthy.

By blackace Go To PostKAT is lazy on D. Thibs isn't helping but having all the tools and being shitty on D is kinda on him.

People said the same thing about AD while he was developing and questioning why his defense wasn't up to the level or hype that it could have been despite having all the tools to do so throughout his development years.

We don't question that about AD anymore.

This is KAT's 4th professional season and under similar circumstances and he still manages to at least average positive on defense, on most stats.

I agree that he isn't good defensively yet, but it's not because he is lazy... He puts in effort.

His main faults come from trying to cover too much and not prioritizing what to defend since he is:

Late to help or switch on defense, he jumps too often to chase blocks, he isn't sure of how to establish positioning in the block to box out other bigs, and he is too conscious about keeping away from contact to avoid fouls.

A lot of that is from not having a real modern NBA defense in place to learn and develop off of, coming from Mitchell and Thibs. Not because he is lazy or a lack of effort.

He has all the tools to do it, just not in a position to succeed. Thibs and Butler stunted his development.

Wiggins is just lazy on D. He has all the tools he just doesn't care to try.

By alt sy Go To PostKD's handle is impressive only due to his height. Nothing about his specific handles is noteworthy.

The same thing could be said of Lebron's though.

By diehard Go To PostThe same thing could be said of Lebron's though.

lbj's handle isn't amazing but I think his is better than KD's.

Speaking of handles, Wade's skills are underrated.

By diehard Go To PostIf you are going to be picky about KD's handles I don't think you can call Lebron's jumpshot amazing

I think I just did... His % kinda back it up. But we can downgrade it to great if it makes you feel better.

However KD does not have PG handles.

By diehard Go To PostThe same thing could be said of Lebron's though.

LeBron has serious split double team handles... so no the same really can't be said about LeBron.

By blackace Go To PostLeBron has serious split double team handles… so no the same really can't be said about LeBron.

LeBron has no better handles than 98% of NBA point guards, it's literally only special because of his size.

By blackace Go To PostI think I just did… His % kinda back it up. But we can downgrade it to great if it makes you feel better.

His percentages would suggest .. "pretty good" ? (His playoff shooting 2 years ago would legit qualify as amazing though)

By alt sy Go To Postlbj's handle isn't amazing but I think his is better than KD's.

I'd agree. But the distance between their skill levels in ball handling is of a similar delta of their shooting skills.

By diehard Go To PostLeBron has no better handles than 98% of NBA point guards, it's literally only special because of his size.

I would disagree that 98% of NBA PGs are on his level... I mean shit that was one of the problems he had in Cle both times no one could dribble.

It's also a really simplistic to state it's only because he is big... like saying Magic was exactly the same as everyone but just because he was tall he was great.

By blackace Go To PostI would disagree that 98% of NBA PGs are on his level… I mean shit that was one of the problems he had in Cle both times no one could dribble.

It's also a really simplistic to state it's only because he is big… like saying Magic was exactly the same as everyone but just because he was tall he was great.

All abilities factor into an equation for how great a player is though. Yeah, if Magic wasn't as big as he was.. he wouldn't have been as great as he was. Lebron's handles in a vacuum are good, and with the variable of his size/height they are great.. but nobody would say anything about them if he was a 6'1 point guard (the "special" part).

His passing/vision doesn't have anything to do with his size and they are amazing, same thing for Magic. Curious sidenote: handles always seem to be compared based on size and height, passing abilities always seem to get compared based on position.

all semantics though

His passing/vision doesn't have anything to do with his size

I'd say Magic/LBJ's vision has a lot to do with their size.

By alt sy Go To PostI'd say Magic/LBJ's vision has a lot to do with their size.

Anything probably wasn't the right word, it would open up some lines of sight that a shorter player wouldn't get.. but my overall point was that it's more of a basketball IQ ability instead of a "physical" one (i realize there is obviously a mental component to ball handling)

Preseason thread titles pls

Legit forgot the Pistons hired Dwayne Casey

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24766934/minnesota-timberwolves-owner-glen-taylor-wants-jimmy-butler-trade-done-quickly

Thibodeau has been willing to coach the Timberwolves through the dysfunction that has surrounded his star players, but Taylor has sided with Butler and agreed that the four-time All-Star should be away from the Wolves for the foreseeable future, sources said.

So far, few franchises, if any, are engaged in serious conversations with the Timberwolves on Butler, sources said. The list of organizations interested in talking further with Minnesota is significant, league sources said: Brooklyn, Detroit, Houston, the LA Clippers, Miami and Philadelphia are among the teams interested in probing for deals.

Taylor and Butler want a deal completed before the Timberwolves' first day of practice on Tuesday, which would require the Timberwolves to use Sunday and Monday to become more aggressive in gathering offers.

Glen is gonna mess around and trade Butler for Eric Gordon.

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Pels and Suns are rumored to also be looking into trading for Tyus somehow.

By Kibner Go To PostPels and Suns are rumored to also be looking into trading for Tyus somehow.

I refuse to acknowledge this as a possibility. Mostly because he's good and whoever is coaching this team after Thibs might actually play him.

Jimmy will come and call Ben a coward

By knux-future Go To PostJimmy will come and call Ben a coward

I think the Sixers have a shot because they can offer a package around Covington (a veteran they can play now and fills a need) and a young player or two. Butler with Embiid might a tad volatile, though.

USA Today reported that Milwaukee and Washington are in the mix, too. Because I just want to watch the world burn, I want to see a locker room with Wall, Beal, Butler and Dwight.

By rodeoclown Go To PostI think the Sixers have a shot because they can offer a package around Covington (a veteran they can play now and fills a need) and a young player or two. Butler with Embiid might a tad volatile, though.

USA Today reported that Milwaukee and Washington are in the mix, too. Because I just want to watch the world burn, I want to see a locker room with Wall, Beal, Butler and Dwight.

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