By rodeoclown Go To PostConsidering the Wolves are totally over a barrel here, Brooklyn is probably the best deal they can make. Hopefully they can get like Levert, Hollis-Jefferson and a pick. (Christ, that's bleak.) Jimmy can go and bully D'Angelo Russell for a few years.Nets fans on Twitter twitter right now talking about that's way to much...
By blackace Go To Posta player from Phx is like super unappealing…
Warren is pretty good value for his contract, + a first from OKC would be decent value given the situation.
Phoenix probably wouldn't be interested though given Schroeder was already traded for trash. So if they had wanted to get him for cheap they could have already done so.
By Dark PhaZe Go To PostButler cares a lot about winningWhich is why all the teams on his list are mediocre to bad? He wants to go a coast, make the most money he can, and be the unquestioned alpha dog in the locker room. (Notice that the Lakers aren't on his list anymore with LeBron there?) His relationship with the Wolves' other all-star is non-existent because Karl doesn't put up with his bullshit.
Whatever stories Butler and his agent try and leak to media, that last part is the most important: Jimmy doesn't like Towns and Wiggins and wants to go somewhere where people will kowtow to his "tough love."
By rodeoclown Go To PostWhich is why all the teams on his list are mediocre to bad? He wants to go a coast, make the most money he can, and be the unquestioned alpha dog in the locker room. (Notice that the Lakers aren't on his list anymore with LeBron there?) His relationship with the Wolves' other all-star is non-existent because Karl doesn't put up with his bullshit.
Whatever stories Butler and his agent try and leak to media, that last part is the most important: Jimmy doesn't like Towns and Wiggins and wants to go somewhere where people will kowtow to his "tough love."
You know that he picked those teams because the ground is fertile in those situations for a big three situation next summer. He'd never extend with the Nets if they weren't able to get a verbal agreement from significant talent in summer of '19.
By alt sy Go To PostRodeo switched sides quick lolI mean, am I? I started to hear about and read about the fractured locker room like halfway through last year and was even posting about it then. He's an awesome player. Whatever the Wolves get back for him will be like 10 cents on the dollar. But he was also leading the charge in bullying the younger players and always complained to the media about how certain guys don't try hard.
The alienation of the younger guys is on Thibs, too, since he let it happen and encouraged it to the point that their fate should be tied and Taylor needs to get rid of both in one shot. Fire Thibs, trade Butler.
By masud Go To PostNets fans on Twitter twitter right now talking about that's way to much…
Lol Lavert is a bum and infuriating to watch on defense.
By rodeoclown Go To PostI mean, am I? I started to hear about and read about the fractured locker room like halfway through last year and was even posting about it then. He's an awesome player. Whatever the Wolves get back for him will be like 10 cents on the dollar. But he was also leading the charge in bullying the younger players and always complained to the media about how certain guys don't try hard.
The alienation of the younger guys is on Thibs, too, since he let it happen and encouraged it to the point that their fate should be tied and Taylor needs to get rid of both in one shot. Fire Thibs, trade Butler.
it's really hard to say without knowing just how far the ribbing is going because Wiggins and KAT are two guys that have the kind of potential where you WANT a vet grinding on them, but if it's become straight toxic, then yea...
By Dark PhaZe Go To PostWarren is pretty good value for his contract, + a first from OKC would be decent value given the situation.Warren and a 1st for sending Butler to a team with Westbrook PG13 and Adams? lol I wouldn't do it
Phoenix probably wouldn't be interested though given Schroeder was already traded for trash. So if they had wanted to get him for cheap they could have already done so.
By Dark PhaZe Go To PostYou know that he picked those teams because the ground is fertile in those situations for a big three situation next summer. He'd never extend with the Nets if they weren't able to get a verbal agreement from significant talent in summer of '19.You know who would be fertile for a big 3 next summer? The Lakers, who he didn't list.
By diehard Go To PostYou know who would be fertile for a big 3 next summer? The Lakers, who he didn't list.
yea surprising
By blackace Go To PostWarren and a 1st for sending Butler to a team with Westbrook PG13 and Adams? lol I wouldn't do it
yeah i dunno
I saw on Twitter that Jimmy cucked KAT and that's the reason why all the shit popped off. Idk if that's true. But I prefer this lol
Some smoke now that if the Wolves lose that game to Denver and miss the playoffs that Taylor would've fired Thibs last season. If that's true, he's gotta fire him now, right? Like, he can't keep a guy around that isn't good at his job and his one big move has totally backfired on him with this trade request a year later?
I want to live in this alternate universe where they lost that game.
I want to live in this alternate universe where they lost that game.
By rodeoclown Go To PostGilgeous-Alexander, filler and a pick?
God, who cares. Fire Thibs already.
Bradley would be a nice fit if he's not washed and Harrell would be a good filler piece.
You could get Wes Johnson back too
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Tobias is an upgrade over Wiggins.
Think the Clippers would want to keep SGA and trade Jerome Robinson instead. Also probably would try to offload Gallo but no one is taking that deal.
Think the Clippers would want to keep SGA and trade Jerome Robinson instead. Also probably would try to offload Gallo but no one is taking that deal.
Are there are any former Bulls on the Clips roster?. If not are there any run down vets who were once good on D?.
So do we brand Jimmy Butler as a team cancer now, or should the blame be put all on Thibs?
He has started fights on both teams under Thibs and Hoiberg, and he is an adamant Taylor Swift fan so...
I know you want to win but starting fights and taking a shit on younger guys for not having the same difficult background and drive you have is not the way to do it...
He hasn't made the best of decisions, especially with his choice to speed up his knee surgery recovery rather than repair it either...
He has started fights on both teams under Thibs and Hoiberg, and he is an adamant Taylor Swift fan so...
I know you want to win but starting fights and taking a shit on younger guys for not having the same difficult background and drive you have is not the way to do it...
He hasn't made the best of decisions, especially with his choice to speed up his knee surgery recovery rather than repair it either...
By Nelo Ice Go To PostAre there are any former Bulls on the Clips roster?. If not are there any run down vets who were once good on D?.
Avery Bradley and Patrick Beverley are on the Clippers.
By shun Go To PostSo do we brand Jimmy Butler as a team cancer now, or should the blame be put all on Thibs?
Still catching up on most of it but isn't KAT part of the problem?
By IWMTB19 Go To PostAvery Bradley and Patrick Beverley are on the Clippers.Then Thibs about to demand both lol. He don’t want know rooks or kids with potential.
By pilonv1 Go To PostStill catching up on most of it but isn't KAT part of the problem?
I don't know... he's had problems on the Bulls with the younger players and Derrick Rose too both with Thibs and with Hoiberg.
If I were the Wolves I would be working to make KAT happy because you cannot lose him regardless of who is right or wrong. He has a higher ceiling and is still a very young talent. Losing him is a devastating blow.
KAT hasn't seemed to act out like this before and he was very much willing to learn and adapt until now.
By IWMTB19 Go To PostAvery Bradley and Patrick Beverley are on the Clippers.
1 armed LMM too
I don't know if KAT cares THAT much and Wiggins definitely is not the hardest working player ever.
But it's weird for Butler to criticize them for lacking heart and then immediately go "And I want to go to the Knicks or Clippers."
But it's weird for Butler to criticize them for lacking heart and then immediately go "And I want to go to the Knicks or Clippers."
The Clippers were nearly a playoff team in the west tho despite everyone being injured. And they have massive cap space next year.
Certainly a better situation than the Knicks
Certainly a better situation than the Knicks
I could totally see Thibs taking Beverly and Bradley and a 2nd rounder, then losing his job within a month.
By pilonv1 Go To PostStill catching up on most of it but isn't KAT part of the problem?I don't know if I'd say that. Word is that he went to Taylor at the end of the season to kinda clue him on that the younger guys on the roster hate playing with Butler and for Thibodeau. The Butler and Thibs duo spent last season berating and blaming Wiggins and Towns for the team's failings both in private and to reporters on the record, so I can't say I blame him.
I think the blame in this situation lies more with Thibodeau than anybody else for failing at both of his jobs and fostering this kind of workplace. He shouldn't be allowed to make this trade. He can't say to Taylor, "this team will be better when I get my guys in here" and then have this blow up in his face not a year later. None of those guys he'll now be forced to rely on more (Towns, Wiggins, Tyus, Dieng) have his back and they'll totally quit on him. It has to both at the same time. Thibs then Butler.
By pilonv1 Go To Post
gratz adam
34 yo No-Knees Butler at the Max?
Woof.
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Plz join. ;x
Knicks don't need Butler. They're trying to keep the team drama free and Butler is older. Plus him not getting along with two younger stars is a major red flag and no way management would risk that with KP and Knox. This is KP's team, and Butler is a jealous-ass ho. Sounds to me like all of the drama between him and Rose wasn't unsubstantiated.
Knicks should focus on Kyrie and that's it.
Knicks should focus on Kyrie and that's it.
By AlphaSnacks Go To PostKnicks don't need Butler. They're trying to keep the team drama free and Butler is older. Plus him not getting along with two younger stars is a major red flag and no way management would risk that with KP and Knox. This is KP's team, and Butler is a jealous-ass ho. Sounds to me like all of the drama between him and Rose wasn't unsubstantiated.no to kyrie too, same mistakes before with amare and knee issues.
Knicks should focus on Kyrie and that's it.
By pkaz01 Go To PostJerry West about to do his thing damn.hey dont rob my prediction, butler and kawhi to clips.
By IWMTB19 Go To Postthis is worse than MGK Em beef
By blackace Go To Postthis is worse than MGK Em beef
You take that back >:(
By IWMTB19 Go To PostYou take that back >:(next they will be talking about each other's haircuts and facial hair....
Butler to Clips, Nets or Knicks makes sense in that they'll all have space for another max player next year. If they fail to attract another big name free agent, Butler can walk onto team better equipped to compete, there'll be plenty of teams with cash next off season.
Weird how he picked 3 of the more dysfunctional organizations. Nets are still atoning for their sins of yesteryear, Clips haven't shown they're not a circus after they got aired out by Griffin and CP3 exits, and Madison Square Garden is built on a Native American burial ground. The NBA is the best league.
Weird how he picked 3 of the more dysfunctional organizations. Nets are still atoning for their sins of yesteryear, Clips haven't shown they're not a circus after they got aired out by Griffin and CP3 exits, and Madison Square Garden is built on a Native American burial ground. The NBA is the best league.
All 3 teams went out of their way to jettison bad GM juju and toxic talent, and are now sitting on decent contracts and picks. Good as place as any for a fresh start if you have a good free agent teammate in mind. Knicks obviously have the advantage with KP already being established.
By IWMTB19 Go To Postblake is an asshole lol.