NBA 2018 Offseason | I'm trying Jennifer

I remember people laughing at the trade because anybody who knew how efficiency worked knew that Kevin Martin wasn’t good. But I don’t remember any kind of widespread sentiment that Harden was an all NBA 1st teamer waiting to happen.

I'm not gonna pretend like you watch basketball like that giri lol. The main reason Batum rushed back from the injury that should've sidelined him until January was because of how well Lamb played as a starter in his absence. It also plays into the ongoing front office/coaching clashes that'd been building up for years. Lamb's minutes went off a cliff (pun) the second half of the season too where guys like Treveon Graham got minutes inexplicably despite Lamb's improvements on both sides of the ball. But if you want to say it was defense because the theme was "lamb don't play d" then you'd have to realize lamb was a positive on defense and played the best of his career this year too. It made no sense.

Also, whenever you want to label your grey area on post play between all-time greats and plug and play roll men be my guest. Or find ways to say that his offense is anywhere near Deandre Jordan's, especially in the playoffs.

But there's nothing to blow up lol. The best possible trades would get us guys that are already on the roster. Need a better backup combo guard? Got that. Young wing? That too. Another big to compliment the other guys? Willie made Dwight expendable and available as an expiring a month after the deadline. There's nothing to gain by moving guys around because of the obvious misuse of talent already on the roster. Marvin Williams was one of the best shooters in the league this year but somehow Cliff still doesn't know how to get guys open.

By diehard Go To PostWho is good on the Hornets that didn't play though?

Monk, Lamb, MKG

and as much as I hate Kamisnky, making him him shoot threes all day is just laziness as a coach. Even though I can't stand him, he never should've logged even half of his total minutes at PF. Batum being forced into a shooting guard role was stubbornness from Cliff too.

By DY_nasty Go To PostMonk, Lamb, MKG.

we both know if these guys we're on the Knicks you would be saying how trash they were

By s y 2.0 Go To PostI clearly remember people in the gaf thread laughing t OKC and aying Harden would lead the league in scoring as the #1 option. We were also laughing at him not showing up in the Finals v Miami too.

People weren't saying he'd lead hte league. But that he was certainly more valuable to the team than Ibaka. That he ran the offense and stopped it clogging down into YNB iso's.

No one was REALLY sure how good he was, because he'd chosen to take that Ginobli role voluntarily. Sacrifice individual stats for the team.

By diehard Go To Postwe both know if these guys we're on the Knicks you would be saying how trash they were

MKG definitely

By DY_nasty Go To PostI'm not gonna pretend like you watch basketball like that giri lol.

From what i've been reading, seems like you're the one who hasn't been watching. But you've already gone into deflect mode so there's little point continuing.

You're right though, there's nothing to blow up.

Hornets are in a bad spot because they have Kemba winning them more games than they should and the fact the franchise is actively trying to win in the East. Which means they aren't due for a high pick any time soon. But they're probably going to tread water for ages. Out side of Kemba and Monk there's little on that team that gets them anything of true value.

In the Hornets case, blowing it up would be trading Kemba for picks and tanking next year. It's a legitimate strategy.

By giririsss Go To PostFrom what i've been reading, seems like you're the one who hasn't been watching. But you've already gone into deflect mode so there's little point continuing.

You're right though, there's nothing to blow up.

Hornets are in a bad spot because they have Kemba winning them more games than they should and the fact the franchise is actively trying to win in the East. Which means they aren't due for a high pick any time soon. But they're probably going to tread water for ages. Out side of Kemba and Monk there's little on that team that gets them anything of true value.

lamb was on his way to a MIP to start the season before batum came back and put a stop to that shit lol

https://www.atthehive.com/2017/12/13/16762984/the-evolution-of-jeremy-lamb-charlotte-hornets
http://www.businessinsider.com/jeremy-lamb-breakout-season-hornets-2017-11
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nba/charlotte-hornets/article186197658.html

but please do go on about lamb and a narrative you saw a few years ago

By diehard Go To PostIn the Hornets case, blowing it up would be trading Kemba for picks and tanking next year. It's a legitimate strategy.

i'd be down for it if there was even a chance we'd get close to equal value for him

but he's way better than most of the league realizes. its a difficult spot to trade from. may as well just give him the conley brinks truck and "do our best" then give him the key to the city when he retires a gazillionaire

Monk didn't even get a chance this year. Cliff some bullshit for that alone.

By domino Go To PostMonk didn't even get a chance this year. Cliff some bullshit for that alone.

i'll give cliff the small, small bit of understanding when it comes to the bulls game.... kris dunn did hold monk up by his ankles and shake the quarters out of his pocket each time the rookie tried to cross half court

but mcw? graham? the next time he gets real minutes is against the raptors and he makes monk guard derozan? sabotage af

Kid had a season.

Some numbers from eliminated stars:

Playoff DeRozan - 16.2 PER, .511 TS%
Playoff Jimmy Butler - 16.9 PER, .557 TS%
Playoff Lillard - 9.4 PER, .471 TS%
Playoff Mitchell - 16.7 PER, .512 TS%
Playoff Simmons - 16.5 PER, .541 TS%
Playoff Embiid - 18.0 PER, .519 TS%
Playoff Westbrook - 20.2 PER, .493 TS%
Playoff Paul George - 14.5 PER, .545 TS%
Playoff Giannis - 26.5 PER, .620 TS%

(Object to PER if you like, I find it useful as a general snapshot of how much a guy is doing).

Some takeaways: Simmons actually shot better than Embiid...and Mitchell.

“Playoff” P actually had the 2nd lowest PER of any of these guys, though that might be a function of Westbrook stat-hogging.

Lillard was legitimately terrible. Even aside from getting his scoring shut down, he wasn’t doing anything else.

Giannis...there’s a story how Masai had a trade with OKC in place to draft him if Steven Adams wasn’t on the board. That story is now going to mess up my whole weekend. That’s the guy who could have helped them topple Lebron.

Lillard 💀

Simmons actually shot better than Embiid…and Mitchell.

because he literally only took the shots he wanted to take no matter how much it fuked his team

By s y 2.0 Go To Postbecause he literally only took the shots he wanted to take no matter how much it fuked his team

Sure. Mitchell’s numbers need to be taken with a grain of salt because he had to force things more than anybody in the playoffs except maybe Giannis...and even then he had Middleton shooting elite %s to back him up.

ws/48 is a lot better than per tbh

By livefromkyoto Go To PostSure. Mitchell’s numbers need to be taken with a grain of salt because he had to force things more than anybody in the playoffs except maybe Giannis…and even then he had Middleton shooting elite %s to back him up.

That's not even a grain of salt. He was worse than Rondo has ever been out there. TS is trash in small sample sizes too.

What are the good reasons for not trading westbrook?

His contract is horrible and they suck anyway.

What other reason is there to see a game in olc

By DY_nasty Go To PostWhat other reason is there to see a game in olc

The same reason as now...to watch better coached teams play basketball

OKC aren't trading YNB unless they get some holy grail package. Like Nets gave up for KG/PP.

By giririsss Go To PostOKC aren't trading YNB unless they get some holy grail package. Like Nets gave up for KG/PP.

Depends if they clean out the front office...

Sam Presti is kinda horrible

By blackace Go To PostDepends if they clean out the front office…

Sam Presti is kinda horrible

While I agree Presti has met his used by date... 2 things
1. Russ brings in too big a crowd for a small franchise to give up. And he helps sustain their "sustained excellence" as a new franchise...
2. The PG13 trade may have saved / bought him more time and good faith.

By giririsss Go To PostWhile I agree Presti has met his used by date… 2 things
1. Russ brings in too big a crowd for a small franchise to give up. And he helps sustain their "sustained excellence" as a new franchise…
2. The PG13 trade may have saved / bought him more time and good faith.

Sam drafts really well... but he turned all those assets into Melo and a PG13 rental

By giririsss Go To PostWhile I agree Presti has met his used by date… 2 things
1. Russ brings in too big a crowd for a small franchise to give up. And he helps sustain their "sustained excellence" as a new franchise…
2. The PG13 trade may have saved / bought him more time and good faith.

How is 2 a thing when Oladipo had an all star season and PG is a meme

By blackace Go To PostSam drafts really well… but he turned all those assets into Melo and a PG13 rental

By RobNBanks Go To PostHow is 2 a thing when Oladipo had an all star season and PG is a meme

2's a thing because he can say "I can get big trades done. I can bring in the big names. I got that stuff done, other GM's didn't. The PG13 trade was lauded as a robbery of Indiana by us".

Again. Not sure how much it should buy him. But ...

By giririsss Go To Post2's a thing because he can say "I can get big trades done. I can bring in the big names. I got that stuff done, other GM's didn't. The PG13 trade was lauded as a robbery of Indiana by us".

Again. Not sure how much it should buy him. But …

I get big trades like Harden for Martin done! BOOM!

I trade all stars for has beens hit me up

I turn KD and Harden into Melo

By domino Go To Post

https://www.instagram.com/p/BivDvGihTC_/

That's so real

Damn

By blackace Go To PostI get big trades like Harden for Martin done! BOOM!

By RobNBanks Go To PostI trade all stars for has beens hit me up

By blackace Go To PostI turn KD and Harden into Melo

Harden for Martin was basically ownership not wanting to pay Harden though. (That said, they should have got more, or just waited out that season).

Kd and Harden into PG13, Adams, AND melo.

Only 2 of which will remain on the roster. And one of them you wish wasn't there.

By giririsss Go To PostHarden for Martin was basically ownership not wanting to pay Harden though. (That said, they should have got more, or just waited out that season).

Kd and Harden into PG13, Adams, AND melo.

Only 2 of which will remain on the roster. And one of them you wish wasn't there.

Well ownership wasn't trying to pay Harden Westbrook KD and Ibaka... Presti just picked the wrong horse... I did forget he got Adams from that trade which goes back to that he drafts well...but after that he goes to shit... picking Ibaka over Harden. Trading Ibaka for Vic and drafting another solid big in Sabonis then flipping them for PG13 rental and trading Kanter who isn't good but god he isn't Melo bad...

ownership fucked dumars into charlie v and ben gordon

best gm in the world can't stop stupid from up top

By DY_nasty Go To Postownership fucked dumars into charlie v and ben gordon

best gm in the world can't stop stupid from up top

well Joe kind of lost credibility with that draft blunder

By blackace Go To Postwell Joe kind of lost credibility with that draft blunder

The one where Larry Brown didn't want to waste time with melo and chose a euro big because he was NBA ready?

By DY_nasty Go To PostWhat other reason is there to see a game in olc

Depends on what you get for him but ain't nobody going to see a 34 year old WB that gets $50 million a year either. Why not try a boston mini turnaround with young talent instead of mediocrity for 1-2 years and then being terrible for 2+.

By DY_nasty Go To PostThe one where Larry Brown didn't want to waste time with melo and chose a euro big because he was NBA ready?

he could had picked almost anyone but Darko and been looking ok

https://247sports.com/nba/mavericks/Article/Sources-More-Dingsanity-as-Dallas-Mavericks-plan-to-add-Ding-Yanyuhang-plus-truth-on-another-Mystery-prospect-from-China-118184477

The Dallas Mavericks helped pioneer the concept of recruiting foreign players to the NBA, and continue to do so in part because they understand that "basketball relationships'' with people in places like China are often less about about basketball than they are … relationships.

That is partly the case with Ding Yanyuhang.

That is absolutely the case with Abudushalamu Abudurexiti.

Abudushalamu Abudurexiti

what a name

Damn

Just tell me how many years away from being how many years away he is.

Dudes probably 2 years from summer league starter lol

Ding was fun to watch during the summer league though.

Not sure how true this all is, but this guy still knows more about it than me:

TIme to get that FanDuel./DraftKings Daily Fantasy Thread running again-OHYEAHMYMOTHERBOARDISSHOT.

Bill Simmons and Cousin Sal were celebrating like they won the super bowl with the betting news on today’s pod lol. Was funny hearing them list off the most potential trouble makers in a legalized betting world. Like the long snapper in football or a lefty reliever in baseball.

This came through my Twitter feed today. I remember being dumfounded watching it live.

Detroit sending Kennard as a warning about what can't happen again

I actually think he will be pretty good

Nick Gilbert is there.

everyone else already lost