NBA 2018 Offseason | I'm trying Jennifer

By giririsss Go To PostHe'll be waiting years then. Unless you mean colangelo's job alone.

brett brown isn't long for this world

By giririsss Go To PostHe'll be waiting years then. Unless you mean colangelo's job alone.

Brown about to get swept by a Celtics team missing 3 starters.. It isn't a for sure thing that he will be gone.. but one thing is he wasn't Colangelo's guy to begin with..

By DY_nasty Go To Postbrett brown isn't long for this world

He might get one more season.. but a sweep might expedite stuff

By blackace Go To PostBrown about to get swept by a Celtics team missing 3 starters.. It isn't a for sure thing that he will be gone.. but one thing is he wasn't Colangelo's guy to begin with..

its getting baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad lmao

philly was already feeling some type of way about him coming into this year, i liked him too, but goddamn

By DY_nasty Go To Postits getting baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad lmao

philly was already feeling some type of way about him coming into this year, i liked him too, but goddamn

If they could fire him this series they might.. lol

By blackace Go To PostIf they could fire him this series they might.. lol

i kinda get it too man

as great as embiid is.... philly's crash off the hot streak to end the season has been brutal. the way stevens has been running circles around him too ain't even fair

Stevens will probably be the best coach of his generation.

I can't see Brett getting fired after a 52 win season, as fraudulent as it may be. Dude survived winning TEN NATIONAL BASKETBALL ASSOCIATION games in a season.

But yeah Stevens is coaching circles, squares, triangles, rhombus' around him.

i could see Bryan attempting to throw all the blame on him for Fultz and all of the other failures rosterwise on some "hey its not fault the coach could coach them how to not suck at things"...but i doubt that would sit well with the players. or other coaches...they love Brett.

Screaming A Smith going ham however might get it out there on a national scale tho.

Thinking we just got Larranga. omg

By DY_nasty Go To PostThinking we just got Larranga. omg

This is how you do it, Knicks.

By DY_nasty Go To PostThinking we just got Larranga. omg

Jest googled, dude is 70 years old.....

By s y 2.0 Go To PostJest googled, dude is 70 years old…..

He is 43? I think you ended up on his dads info

By pkaz01 Go To PostHe is 43? I think you ended up on his dads info

ahh, that's it. 2nd in command to Stevens? sounds good i guess.

By s y 2.0 Go To Postahh, that's it. 2nd in command to Stevens? sounds good i guess.

he was the choice before stevens - ainge liked him so much that he basically said "why not both"

By livefromkyoto Go To PostThis is how you do it, Knicks.

The Knicks interviewed him first and passed on him though?

By masud Go To PostThe Knicks interviewed him first and passed on him though?

getting passed up by the knicks usually means great things if we're being honest

I think that's a good pickup, especially if it's down to him and Borrego. I don't know why I am just not sold on Borrego, i'd want Messina or Becky before him.

By DY_nasty Go To Postgetting passed up by the knicks usually means great things if we're being honest

Oh for sure. Larranga's a good coach but I don't think the Knicks really needed a bookish former assistant type. SAS was right in that the Knicks needed a strong personality to both be the voice of the franchise and to establish a culture for our young guys, he was just hilariously wrong about who that should be.

i don't think the strong personality = establish culture is a thing. that's an entire organizational priority. draft guys who intend to be professionals, hire guys who intend to remain professional.

strong personas crash and burn all the time because orgs aren't built for them

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/249781/David-Fizdale-To-Marc-Gasol-You-Want-Popovich-I-Want-LeBron

^that's not a strong personality cures all type of issue, that's a dysfunctional org allowing a disagreement to turn into a disaster.

Larry Brown is a strong personality

By DY_nasty Go To Posti don't think the strong personality = establish culture is a thing. that's an entire organizational priority. draft guys who intend to be professionals, hire guys who intend to remain professional.

strong personas crash and burn all the time because orgs aren't built for them

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/249781/David-Fizdale-To-Marc-Gasol-You-Want-Popovich-I-Want-LeBron

^that's not a strong personality cures all type of issue, that's a dysfunctional org allowing a disagreement to turn into a disaster.

sounds like a great coach

By DY_nasty Go To Posti don't think the strong personality = establish culture is a thing. that's an entire organizational priority. draft guys who intend to be professionals, hire guys who intend to remain professional.

strong personas crash and burn all the time because orgs aren't built for them

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/249781/David-Fizdale-To-Marc-Gasol-You-Want-Popovich-I-Want-LeBron

^that's not a strong personality cures all type of issue, that's a dysfunctional org allowing a disagreement to turn into a disaster.

The problem with the Grizz is that it was a veteran team set in their ways, that kind of team is not always gonna mesh with a guy like Fiz. Even still I think that situation would have worked out fine if management had supported Fiz instead of their aging star. I think Fiz can get a bunch of young guys to buy in pretty easily though, you don't necessarily need a 'strong personality' for that but I think it helps. But for the other part of my post, being the voice of the Knicks, (ie taking the focus off of Dolan/Perry/past regimes) a strong personality is a necessity imo.

edit: and that Popavich Lebron thing never happened according to Nick Van Exel who was there.

By RobNBanks Go To Postsounds like a great coach

don't get me wrong, i'm not shitting on him for that obviously 'fuck fisdale (im totally not marc gasol btw)" snitchery - coaches say sideways stuff to players and vice versa all the time

have ground fertile for disastrous, season ruining shit to take place? that's different. and when you've got a lot of strong personalities that environment is an even bigger factor. if a franchise like utah can see shit pop off between two strong personalities after a lifetime of stability, then a place known for rampant fukkery probably should be even more keen regarding those issues if its the goal to fix them

tldr dolan gonna cause KP to sleep with fizdale's wife.

By masud Go To PostThe problem with the Grizz is that it was a veteran team set in their ways, that kind of team is not always gonna mesh with a guy like Fiz. Even still I think that situation would have worked out fine if management had supported Fiz instead of their aging star. I think Fiz can get a bunch of young guys to buy in pretty easily though, you don't necessarily need a 'strong personality' for that but I think it helps. But for the other part of my post, being the voice of the Knicks, (ie taking the focus off of Dolan/Perry/past regimes) a strong personality is a necessity imo.

edit: and that Popavich Lebron thing never happened according to Nick Van Exel who was there.

they didn't need to pick a side is what im saying and a lot of organizations foster that kind of shit instead of bringing in people with respect for both sides of the fence -or- encouraging better solutions than me/you and us/them.

i still like fizdale for a young or middling team. he'll get you wins that your team normally wouldn't. but as a culture change guy? ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

By DY_nasty Go To Postthey didn't need to pick a side is what im saying and a lot of organizations foster that kind of shit instead of bringing in people with respect for both sides of the fence -or- encouraging better solutions than me/you and us/them.

i still like fizdale for a young or middling team. he'll get you wins that your team normally wouldn't. but as a culture change guy? ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

I didn't say change a culture though I said establish one. Theres a big difference. Fiz tried to change the culture in Memphis and failed, here he has a blank slate.

By masud Go To PostI didn't say change a culture though I said establish one. Theres a big difference. Fiz tried to change the culture in Memphis and failed, here he has a blank slate.

lmaaaaaaaooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

By s y 2.0 Go To Postlmaaaaaaaooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

What? Use your words sy...

By knux-future Go To PostI can't see Brett getting fired after a 52 win season, as fraudulent as it may be. Dude survived winning TEN NATIONAL BASKETBALL ASSOCIATION games in a season.

But yeah Stevens is coaching circles, squares, triangles, rhombus' around him.

i could see Bryan attempting to throw all the blame on him for Fultz and all of the other failures rosterwise on some "hey its not fault the coach could coach them how to not suck at things"…but i doubt that would sit well with the players. or other coaches…they love Brett.

Screaming A Smith going ham however might get it out there on a national scale tho.

He was promised he wouldn't get fired for tanking is why he survived a 10 win season... Winning 52 games and getting smoked by a team without half their starters plus the fact that he wasn't BC's guy in the first place kinda makes him the 76ers' Del Harris

By masud Go To PostWhat? Use your words sy…

sy thinks Doc Rivers is a better coach than Spo right now.

Career? Sure when you throw in his Celtics shit. But not right now...

By blackace Go To PostHe was promised he wouldn't get fired for tanking is why he survived a 10 win season… Winning 52 games and getting smoked by a team without half their starters plus the fact that he wasn't BC's guy in the first place kinda makes him the 76ers' Del Harris

I have been assuming he'd be the one to take the bullets for Bryan's mistakes but that fluke run probably got him more armor to survive for a bit.

I love what Brett has done for us. Surviving the trash show and keeping everyone sane isn't something many coaches can do..but dear lord is he stubborn about a lot of basic ass shit. We run little to no PNR in a PNR league. Guys have free reign to jack up the worst shots. He is terrible w/ timeouts and gives people too long of rope. Its the little things that add up...especially when you have Stevens on the other side making it look even worse.

Still I don't have any faith in Bryan hiring anyone that isn't a retread hasbeen so meh.

By masud Go To PostWhat? Use your words sy…

The Knicks don't have a culture of being the Knicks?

By DY_nasty Go To PostThe Knicks don't have a culture of being the Knicks?

No. There has been too much turn over with the roster and coaching staff. Now there is a toxic corporate culture that comes down from Dolan but that's something different, another plus for Fizdales strong personality is that he can hopefully insulate the players from that shit. Fizdale should be able to come in and establish his 'way' because for most of our players it's gonna be all they've known in the NBA.

By masud Go To PostNo. There has been too much turn over with the roster and coaching staff. Now there is a toxic corporate culture that comes down from Dolan but that's something different, another plus for Fizdales strong personality is that he can hopefully insulate the players from that shit. Fizdale should be able to come in and establish his 'way' because for most of our players it's gonna be all they've known in the NBA.

He can't insulate anybody from anything any more than Phil Jackson or Larry Brown could. There are just too many interests - agencies with pull, employees spying, media who need to manufacture stories to get eyes on articles about an uncompetitive team, and everybody on the team thinking they're a celebrity. And the problem is that a lot of that is Dolan & Mills.

It takes way more than some guy who's coached all of 100 games with a .495 win % to have the pull to stop that. He came out of a Miami system that demanded insane physical fitness and defensive discipline, demands they could only get away with because Pat Riley is the godfather and the stars were focused professionals to begin with. KP is flashing diva tendencies, and he's not going to be on anybody for their offseason regimen skyping from Latvia.

The only way this works is if Dolan is really willing to stick to his guns and let the front office spend 2-3 years digging out of the hole, and if Perry turns out to be a drafter who can identify guys with the right mental makeup.

Good luck.

By livefromkyoto Go To PostHe can't insulate anybody from anything any more than Phil Jackson or Larry Brown could. There are just too many interests - agencies with pull, employees spying, media who need to manufacture stories to get eyes on articles about an uncompetitive team, and everybody on the team thinking they're a celebrity. And the problem is that a lot of that is Dolan & Mills.

It takes way more than some guy who's coached all of 100 games with a .495 win % to have the pull to stop that. He came out of a Miami system that demanded insane physical fitness and defensive discipline, demands they could only get away with because Pat Riley is the godfather and the stars were focused professionals to begin with. KP is flashing diva tendencies, and he's not going to be on anybody for their offseason regimen skyping from Latvia.

The only way this works is if Dolan is really willing to stick to his guns and let the front office spend 2-3 years digging out of the hole, and if Perry turns out to be a drafter who can identify guys with the right mental makeup.

Good luck.

Larry Brown coached under bad management that literally drove him insane, Phil Jackson was the bad management. Anyway I don't see how those comparisons have anything to do with what we were discussing. I said hopefully Fizdale can insulate this young team from all the bullshit and keep them focused on basketball. Now he may not be able to but someone with his personality type has a better chance than some dorky "X's and O's" guy who might be better with a more veteran team. Nobody is saying Fizdale is the solution to the all Knicks problems just that he was a good hire and the kind of guy they need if there's any hope of turning things around.

The KP stuff is completely unfounded. I have no issue with how he handled the PJax exit meetings. Talk to me when he starts dealing with sane people like that.

i was jus sayin he's a good hire - a strong personality doesn't necessarily fix what you were kinda/sorta implying imo

could be worse though

By knux-future Go To PostI have been assuming he'd be the one to take the bullets for Bryan's mistakes but that fluke run probably got him more armor to survive for a bit.

I love what Brett has done for us. Surviving the trash show and keeping everyone sane isn't something many coaches can do..but dear lord is he stubborn about a lot of basic ass shit. We run little to no PNR in a PNR league. Guys have free reign to jack up the worst shots. He is terrible w/ timeouts and gives people too long of rope. Its the little things that add up…especially when you have Stevens on the other side making it look even worse.

Still I don't have any faith in Bryan hiring anyone that isn't a retread hasbeen so meh.

I think this series might be the death of him... if there is a guy on the market that BC really likes it's over

By blackace Go To PostI think this series might be the death of him… if there is a guy on the market that BC really likes it's over

bud wouldn't even have to ask nicely at this point. if brett gets swept they're sliding in DMs before the lights go off in the arena

By masud Go To PostLarry Brown coached under bad management that literally drove him insane, Phil Jackson was the bad management. Anyway I don't see how those comparisons have anything to do with what we were discussing. I said hopefully Fizdale can insulate this young team from all the bullshit and keep them focused on basketball. Now he may not be able to but someone with his personality type has a better chance than some dorky "X's and O's" guy who might be better with a more veteran team. Nobody is saying Fizdale is the solution to the all Knicks problems just that he was a good hire and the kind of guy they need if there's any hope of turning things around.

The KP stuff is completely unfounded. I have no issue with how he handled the PJax exit meetings. Talk to me when he starts dealing with sane people like that.

It starts at the top for NY and it isn't going to change with Dolan running stuff.

By blackace Go To PostIt starts at the top for NY and it isn't going to change with Dolan running stuff.

Probably. But unfortunately for me I have to be hopeful that things could change. Like I said before the Rangers have seen some success after Dolan hired a good GM and left him alone. He tried to do the same thing with Pjax, he left him alone until the shenanigans forced his hand. Now if Perry is good at his job and Dolan has the same patience that he had with the Rangers and Pjax then we may have a reason to be hopeful.

You guys keep bringing up Dolan as if him leaving is even possible.

Only way he leaves is if he gets Sterling'd .

Fiz is a solid hire. He's intuned w/ the youth and unlike in Memphis, he doesn't have to put up with an already established culture of set in their ways guys. Plus players seem to like him. He is damn near the perfect coach for where the Knicks are right now. Will he be the one to lead them to the chip? idk..probably not but he can right the ship and get something started. Sometimes you need a guy to do that before the hardass coach comes in and straightens it out, no?

By knux-future Go To PostYou guys keep bringing up Dolan as if him leaving is even possible.

Only way he leaves is if he gets Sterling'd .

Fiz is a solid hire. He's intuned w/ the youth and unlike in Memphis, he doesn't have to put up with an already established culture of set in their ways guys. Plus players seem to like him. He is damn near the perfect coach for where the Knicks are right now. Will he be the one to lead them to the chip? idk..probably not but he can right the ship and get something started. Sometimes you need a guy to do that before the hardass coach comes in and straightens it out, no?

Mods, some mr. brightside guy hacked Knux's account.

By livefromkyoto Go To PostMods, some mr. brightside guy hacked Knux's account.

By DY_nasty Go To Postits getting baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad lmao

philly was already feeling some type of way about him coming into this year, i liked him too, but goddamn

wut? Brown be there for years.

By giririsss Go To Postwut? Brown be there for years.

He about fired...

By giririsss Go To Postwut? Brown be there for years.

he pretty much got the good faith treatment at this point. but don't believe me? ask knux. brown's seat didn't just get hot a few days ago

The fact that he just isn't BC's guy means his seat was hot as soon as BC took over

Stevens is stunting on him so hard; all of his flaws are out there for the world to see. He has made no adjustments; His offense is being torn apart. Its not a good time for Brett.

also a loud section of the fanbase has been calling for his head for a while; the run quieted them for a bit but they are now back too.

Honestly, if Pringles didn't leave for the Rockets, I am pretty sure Bryan wanted him to take over for Brett.

As is tho, I doubt anyone available is that much better (a lot of Pop tree guys...which Brett was too). As stated above, we might need the hardass coach soon.

also a loud section of the fanbase has been calling for his head for a while

no kidding, the crowd was shitting on him hard in game 3.

By s y 2.0 Go To Postno kidding, the crowd was shitting on him hard in game 3.

I heard the loudest "PUT TJ IN THE FUCKING GAME". ESPN censors weren't quick enough

Scott Skiles knows that call is coming