Kibner said "smart basketball people" and you quote Ramona Shelbourne? She's the Royce Young of the Lakers beat.
By reilo Go To PostKibner said "smart basketball people" and you quote Ramona Shelbourne? She's the Royce Young of the Lakers beat.who was out shitting on the phil hire?
during the wonderful laker 2012-13 season, ramona tried to push the narrative that orlando pnrs never featured dwight but ryan anderson instead and thats why he wasnt playing well in la
By DY_nasty Go To Postwho was out shitting on the phil hire?Nobody, there was some skepticism that he would be able to turn Dolans Knicks around but nobody called him being a crazy basketball fundamentalist with Trump like Twitter habits.
By masud Go To PostNobody, there was some skepticism that he would be able to turn Dolans Knicks around but nobody called him being a crazy basketball fundamentalist with Trump like Twitter habits.I don't think anyone would have foreseen him trying to trade KP .
Not in our wildest dreams.
By giririsss Go To PostI don't think anyone would have foreseen him trying to trade KP .I think at that point it was clear he was trying to get fired lol
Not in our wildest dreams.
fuck all this working shit. eat the fucking cephalopod
IDK Zach Lowe sounds pretty skeptical on Jackson's hire and his steadfast desire to implement the triangle:
Bringing Jackson in is more complex, and much more expensive, than the Warriors bringing in Jerry West. Jackson brings the triangle offense, a beautiful and complex machine he will likely try to impose upon the team — a process that could take years until mastery. Some league observers think Jackson would be willing to bend on the triangle — to permit a hybrid offense that incorporates some of its principles, but allows for other stuff that caters to New York’s players.
But I’m not convinced, nor are others familiar with Jackson’s thinking. Just read the guy’s books. The triangle isn’t just a system to him. It is the on-court representation of his philosophical ideals — companionship, teamwork, compassion for others, and the elevation of the whole over the individual. He speaks of the triangle in spiritual terms. So does rumored Jackson coaching candidate Steve Kerr, by the way, as one of the most prominent player voices in Jackson’s recent book Eleven Rings.
Jackson will figure into the free-agency calculus, and New York, by sheer geographic dumb luck, already starts ahead of almost everyone. But it’s not a fail-safe. If Anthony gets the full max, finding two star-level players in the summer of 2015 will be very difficult and perhaps impossible — even if the Knicks find a way to dump both Felton and J.R. Smith, or at least use the stretch provision on them, in the lead-up to that free-agency bonanza.So, he predicted he could do well with Plan A but that he wouldn't be the right guy for if the primary plan failed. Guess what happened...
And the consolation prize often isn’t very exciting. Some of those mega-stars will stay home, because they’re comfortable on winning teams, and because the collective bargaining agreement incentivizes it. The pool will get thinner than it looks now. If you don’t get that summer’s LeBron, you might have to choose between rolling over the cap space, spending it on a couple of merely “good” players, or splurging on that summer’s Stoudemire. Those are dicey choices made inside the hothouse of free agency. Mistakes can set a franchise back years.
Finishing third or fourth in the free-agency derby generally doesn’t lead to spectacular outcomes. Teams in that spot need to nail everything else — draft picks, savvy trades, international signings, and sub-star free agency. They need Plan B, Plan C, and Plan D. That is where the Knicks have consistently failed.
Jackson alone isn’t going to bring the stuff that helps you nail Plans B-Z in the team-building process. (Note: Chris Smith is Plan Z.) But he could help immensely with Plan A, and if he hires the right coach and empowers the right basketball thinkers, he could enable an important transformation of the team’s on-court culture.
By DY_nasty Go To PostI think at that point it was clear he was trying to get fired lolI think he was still fine, TBH. But even entertaining that was what pushed him over the edge. Particularly once it got to the media.
fuck all this working shit. eat the fucking cephalopod
By giririsss Go To PostI think he was still fine, TBH. But even entertaining that was what pushed him over the edge. Particularly once it got to the media."once it got to the media" lol he sad that shit at the press conference he set up.
By s y 2.0 Go To Post"once it got to the media" lol he sad that shit at the press conference he set up.It was already out by then.
phil didn't even try to push plan A as much as he wanted to get his guys paid and run off with the bag as fast as possible
that's not even failing. dude came to scum out and i really can't blame NY for that one. dude was almost deliberately acting in bad faith after a certain point.
that's not even failing. dude came to scum out and i really can't blame NY for that one. dude was almost deliberately acting in bad faith after a certain point.
By masud Go To PostYeah that's revisionist history.
Ramona Shelborne:He is Zeus. He blocks out the sun and the rain. He blunts the noise and the chaos. Which is exactly what the Knicks need right now.
I don't know who the Carmelo Anthony of Greek mythology is, but there is no fucking way Zeus gave him a no-trade clause.
By livefromkyoto Go To PostI don't know who the Carmelo Anthony of Greek mythology is, but there is no fucking way Zeus gave him a no-trade clause.I mean, don't greek gods fuck up all the time?
By DY_nasty Go To Postwho was out shitting on the phil hire?GM with zero experience in salary cap management, contract negotiations, trade negotiations or scouting and an approach from the pre-metrics era.
Hires a coach with zero coaching experience, jumping into the most difficult thing possible to coach, who wasn't anywhere near a good enough player to walk into a room and get instant respect.
NY media torture chamber, filled with straight up killers who make a profitable living feasting off of New York NBA corpses.
Selfish star with nowhere near Kobe's bball IQ to get past it.
This wasn't a super tough call to make. People were thinking Jackson's innate and firsthand knowledge of winning teams and managing egos and the brightest of spotlights would get him through all that. And who knows, we only later found out that he didn't want to do any actual work, had that not been the case perhaps he could have. But I really thought that the game had changed, that he didn't know jack about advanced stats because he'd never had to, and that by the time he became a GM long term cap management meant way more to success than he was equipped to understand. He never would have given out those paydays if he actually got that. He was thinking "pay the stars, the guys who've made big plays under the spotlight, the other players will just fall in line and the system will take care of everything."
Had they hired him in 2005, he would have been stepping into a different world, and success might have still been on the table for him.
By s y 2.0 Go To PostI mean, don't greek gods fuck up all the time?Yeah but usually in weird sex ways, and problems can be solved by beheadings or banishment to the underworld. But if you're running the Knicks, you're already there.
im just saying there's a lot of revisionist history on the hire.... its easy to laugh at now but at the time it was "oh shit, the knicks could be back"
the knicks are never coming back but no one was saying it was a trash hire most knew thibs would be
the knicks are never coming back but no one was saying it was a trash hire most knew thibs would be
By DY_nasty Go To Postim just saying there's a lot of revisionist history on the hire…. its easy to laugh at now but at the time it was "oh shit, the knicks could be back"
the knicks are never coming back but no one was saying it was a trash hire most knew thibs would be
Most people were ok with the Thibs hire, but hesitant. The biggest criticism was why give him the GM job.
By DY_nasty Go To Postthe knicks are never coming backI just stick with this. It's like, even if you're a great pitcher sometimes Earth-2 Jeremy Lin might step up to the plate and that fastball might get hit, but most of the time you're good.
By giririsss Go To PostMost people were ok with the Thibs hire, but hesitant. The biggest criticism was why give him the GM job.I was not okay with the Thibs hire because why the fuck are you going out of your way to get a guy who's going to run all of your assets into the ground? You might get 2 playoff series wins in 6 years, and if you've got the history the Wolves do maybe you're cool with that as progress. But how much multi-million dollar knee cartilage has to die to get you there?
By livefromkyoto Go To PostI was not okay with the Thibs hire because why the fuck are you going out of your way to get a guy who's going to run all of your assets into the ground? You might get 2 playoff series wins in 6 years, and if you've got the history the Wolves do maybe you're cool with that as progress. But how much multi-million dollar knee cartilage has to die to get you there?Because it's really only his second coaching stint. Coaches should learn like players do, and get better.
At the time, none of their players had had knee trouble either. They were all young and fit. Good to go.
The story line went "They already had "offense" what they needed was a coach to come in and install discipline and defence."
Thibs was fine as a coach. The GM part has been pretty terrible though.
By giririsss Go To PostBecause it's really only his second coaching stint. Coaches should learn like players do, and get better.This isn't advanced calculus. Forcing guys to play through everything at NBA speed for 40 minutes a night on random February Wednesdays is going to wear down cartilage and exacerbate tendon damage, period. Literally the only strategy you can have as a franchise at that point is the way the Bulls run their business, ie. "we'll just keep letting the Lakers & Knicks sign them away at age 28 after we've used up their restricted free agency and get somebody fresh."
At the time, none of their players had had knee trouble either. They were all young and fit. Good to go.
The story line went "They already had "offense" what they needed was a coach to come in and install discipline and defence."
Thibs was fine as a coach. The GM part has been pretty terrible though.
By livefromkyoto Go To PostI just stick with this. It's like, even if you're a great pitcher sometimes Earth-2 Jeremy Lin might step up to the plate and that fastball might get hit, but most of the time you're good.Knicks will make the finals again before the Raptors ever do. We'll all be dead but I'll be right.
By livefromkyoto Go To PostThis isn't advanced calculus. Forcing guys to play through everything at NBA speed for 40 minutes a night on random February Wednesdays is going to wear down cartilage and exacerbate tendon damage, period. Literally the only strategy you can have as a franchise at that point is the way the Bulls run their business, ie. "we'll just keep letting the Lakers & Knicks sign them away at age 28 after we've used up their restricted free agency and get somebody fresh."what he did to noah and deng was fucked lol
is kirk even alive
By DY_nasty Go To Postim just saying there's a lot of revisionist history on the hire…. its easy to laugh at now but at the time it was "oh shit, the knicks could be back"They will be back, who saw the warriors being where they at now back then?
the knicks are never coming back but no one was saying it was a trash hire most knew thibs would be
By unknown Go To PostThey will be back, who saw the warriors being where they at now back then?warriors upset a #1 seed before
knicks almost beat the pacers once i think
By masud Go To PostKnicks will make the finals again before the Raptors ever do. We'll all be dead but I'll be right.I'm totally calling you out on Ghost-Slaent in 300 years if this doesn't happen.
By DY_nasty Go To Postwhat he did to noah and deng was fucked lol
is kirk even alive
I swear he sacrificed Ronnie Brewer to ancient Tevinter blood magic to extend his coaching career.
trash like amin elhassan (who im surprised hasn't been fired from espn yet) concern trolling 'bubuub shes 4th on the spurs coaching staff'
literally mark jackson interviewed with the knicks and nobody cared
literally mark jackson interviewed with the knicks and nobody cared
By livefromkyoto Go To PostThis isn't advanced calculus. Forcing guys to play through everything at NBA speed for 40 minutes a night on random February Wednesdays is going to wear down cartilage and exacerbate tendon damage, period. Literally the only strategy you can have as a franchise at that point is the way the Bulls run their business, ie. "we'll just keep letting the Lakers & Knicks sign them away at age 28 after we've used up their restricted free agency and get somebody fresh."I don't disagree with anything you said.
That doesn't change the thoughts around the time of Thibs hire. Thibs was genuinely considered a good hire for the wolves. IIRC he was the hottest? Coaching FA that off season and courted by several.
By joefu Go To Postthats coolIt's cool, but i'm not sure it's a good idea to hire her.
I like becky and think she's just as qualified as any other assistant to get promoted. I just wonder if the NBA is ready for it. If she gets hired i'm glad she does. I'll also be glad it's not my team running that experiment. Though i think that's generally a young team in MIL, and that's probably the best spot to try that.
By Red Blaster Go To Posttrash like amin elhassan (who im surprised hasn't been fired from espn yet) concern trolling 'bubuub shes 4th on the spurs coaching staff'
literally mark jackson interviewed with the knicks and nobody cared
I don't mind Amin.
By giririsss Go To PostIt's cool, but i'm not sure it's a good idea to hire her.seeing some of the dudes that get hired it feels like a lot of these teams are running experiments...
I like becky and think she's just as qualified as any other assistant to get promoted. I just wonder if the NBA is ready for it. If she gets hired i'm glad she does. I'll also be glad it's not my team running that experiment. Though i think that's generally a young team in MIL, and that's probably the best spot to try that.
I don't mind Amin.
Although nothing has been made official, all indications are that Rivers and Ballmer have reached an agreement on a multiyear extension that will keep Rivers here for a remodeling job that will begin soon.
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By s y 2.0 Go To PostNobody can tell me that Spo is a better coach than Doc.Spo is a better coach than Doc.
By Kibner Go To PostSpo is a better coach than Doc.how
Edit: nvm you've probably watched 4 heat games in your life
By blackace Go To PostBud should wait until the playoffs are over… he might be able to get a playoff team…Milkwaukee is probably his best bet, but i’m thinking Bud wants front office control and thats whats holding him back
By pkaz01 Go To PostMilkwaukee is probably his best bet, but i’m thinking Bud wants front office control and thats whats holding him backI'd wait for the Philly job.
By blackace Go To PostI'd wait for the Philly job.He'll be waiting years then. Unless you mean colangelo's job alone.