NBA 2018 Offseason | I'm trying Jennifer

By pkaz01 Go To PostWhy would you interview an assistant before picking your head coach?

And thanks for the input DY I don’t know much about him but he sounds better than some other options like kidd and del negro

Yeah, Clifford is a solid middle-tier coach who may be coaching to many of his strengths with the PHX team.

I actually think VDN got a raw deal at his 2 coaching stints. But... i'm not convinced he's great either way.

Clifford seems like a waste of time, tbh.

By giririsss Go To PostI actually think VDN got a raw deal at his 2 coaching stints. But… i'm not convinced he's great either way.

Clifford seems like a waste of time, tbh.

Thibs took almost the same team and won 60+ games while VDJ won 41

Wall never said whom he was talking about who does not want to be in Washington, but he said it was evident that the team was not on the same page.

"I just told you that some people don't understand their roles, so if you don't understand your role and think you deserve a bigger role, that is not about to happen," he said. "If you are not built for it, why would you want to be put in that situation? But a lot of people say they want that pressure or situation, and then they get put in it, and they act totally different. So don't ask for something that you can't handle."

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I know it's not going to happen but i wonder what OKC could get for WB and then do a mini tank for a year with Melo as the tank commander. get a pick and some promising young players and plan to be a contender in 2-3 years when Rox and GS are old as fuck.

By Mariosalic Go To PostI know it's not going to happen but i wonder what OKC could get for WB and then do a mini tank for a year with Melo as the tank commander. get a pick and some promising young players and plan to be a contender in 2-3 years when Rox and GS are old as fuck.

I’m pretty sure I had a post a year or two before Durant left about trading Westbrook for Chris Paul or something.

They can’t trade him now because he’s all they have left.

By pkaz01 Go To PostWhy would you interview an assistant before picking your head coach?

And thanks for the input DY I don’t know much about him but he sounds better than some other options like kidd and del negro

Why exactly can't you have a pool of candidates for the assistant role? It's not like they're hiring an assistant coach before hiring the HC. They're doing their due diligence in interviewing all available potential out there and narrowing the search down, which can take many weeks and before you know it, the summer is over. The last thing the organization needs is to hire a coach out of desperation or because the pickings were thin. And then you end up stringing together a poorly executed camp and pre-season.

You narrow down your HC search after weeks of interviews. And then consult with your final pool of candidates on their preferences for an assistant. You determine whose vision aligns best, and then you start narrowing down the assistant coach pool. The Knicks interviewing everyone is actually a good thing. This isn't one of those 'lawlclownshoes' moments for them as an organization.

By Mariosalic Go To PostI know it's not going to happen but i wonder what OKC could get for WB and then do a mini tank for a year with Melo as the tank commander. get a pick and some promising young players and plan to be a contender in 2-3 years when Rox and GS are old as fuck.

Im usually team always tank but okc is different. The second Westbrook leaves their revenue is gonna fall off a cliff. If they didn't hit another home run in the draft soon that might be it for the franchise.

Can we talk about what team Melo will end up on next season? He's already talking about leaving OKC because he doesn't wanna come off the bench.

Cast your votes...if he opts out, who will be crazy enough to pay him like $10M+?

Kings?
Hawks?
Minimum deal in LA with LeBron?

I say Blazers for the lulz.

By AlphaSnacks Go To PostCan we talk about what team Melo will end up on next season? He's already talking about leaving OKC because he doesn't wanna come off the bench.

Cast your votes…if he opts out, who will be crazy enough to pay him like $10M+?

Kings?
Hawks?
Minimum deal in LA with LeBron?

I say Blazers for the lulz.

Melo?

By masud Go To PostMelo?

Broken image, m8.

Edit: Nice fix. That said...I'm in it for the lol-factor. The ego is inflating.

By masud Go To PostIm usually team always tank but okc is different. The second Westbrook leaves their revenue is gonna fall off a cliff. If they didn't hit another home run in the draft soon that might be it for the franchise.

Yeah i know they can't let him go but how much better than tanking will the team be if it's the same roster minus PG next year? And that WB contract will not age well. The cliff is coming sooner than later so why not sell somewhat high?

If melo leaves OKC I’m gonna quit my job and become an agent

By blackace Go To PostThibs took almost the same team and won 60+ games while VDJ won 41

vinny aint ever been shit

By giririsss Go To PostI actually think VDN got a raw deal at his 2 coaching stints. But… i'm not convinced he's great either way.

Clifford seems like a waste of time, tbh.

cliff had a top defensive team in the league with al jefferson at center

if you think that shit is easy then aite

Might be the reason the offense wasn't so great in Charlotte but Cliff always had those teams leading the league with the fewest turnovers.

By s y 2.0 Go To PostMight be the reason the offense wasn't so great in Charlotte but Cliff always had those teams leading the league with the fewest turnovers.

Yeah, unless you have tremendous isolation players, good offenses tend to have higher-than-normal turnovers. It's a risk of passing.

By Kibner Go To PostYeah, unless you have tremendous isolation players, good offenses tend to have higher-than-normal turnovers. It's a risk of passing.

Naw he just can't call plays for shit. Dude is a flowchart on offense and when that stops working it's complete inaction on his end. He's just not creative or flexible enough to win games late - and of you look at our past two seasons you'll see how bad we are to finish close games. People were running college troll style defenses against us. Refused to adapt.

By DY_nasty Go To PostNaw he just can't call plays for shit. Dude is a flowchart on offense and when that stops working it's complete inaction on his end. He's just not creative or flexible enough to win games late - and of you look at our past two seasons you'll see how bad we are to finish close games. People were running college troll style defenses against us. Refused to adapt.

rip

no idea why Doc isn't available yet.

By AlphaSnacks Go To PostCan we talk about what team Melo will end up on next season? He's already talking about leaving OKC because he doesn't wanna come off the bench.

Cast your votes…if he opts out, who will be crazy enough to pay him like $10M+?

Kings?
Hawks?
Minimum deal in LA with LeBron?

I say Blazers for the lulz.

Where did he talk about leaving? All I saw was the usual delusion where in his head canon he's on the same level as the other banana boat guys. There's zero chance he's opting out, and the only way he leaves OKC is if they can somehow work some magic to get someone to take him on as an expiring. Like, I can see him being part of a Whiteside trade.

Does Melo still have the no trade?

By blackace Go To PostThibs took almost the same team and won 60+ games while VDJ won 41

Second year rose vs first year.

And if I remember right, the FO wanted VDN to tank and get another high pick, and were interfering with the players behind his back.

But that's the biggest knock. Is that turn around. Same thing didn't happen with LAC.

a tanking team should swap a bad contract for melo and just let him take 15 shots a game and allow him to larp as a 1st option as they get a top 3 pick in 2019

By Red Blaster Go To Posta tanking team should swap a bad contract for melo and just let him take 15 shots a game and allow him to larp as a 1st option as they get a top 3 pick in 2019

Not that we should be talking about Melo here when he should pretty much be the official mascot of the offseason thread, but that's a hard trade to line up. The only guy with a Melo-tier bad contract on a bad team is Batum, and he's like the shitty version of 2018 Melo so why would OKC do it?

EDIT: I see the posts were moved here, good show.

By giririsss Go To PostSecond year rose vs first year.

And if I remember right, the FO wanted VDN to tank and get another high pick, and were interfering with the players behind his back.

But that's the biggest knock. Is that turn around. Same thing didn't happen with LAC.

3rd year Rose vs 2nd year Rose VDN had Rose for 2 years

By blackace Go To Post3rd year Rose vs 2nd year Rose VDN had Rose for 2 years

Ahh.

And didn't VDN get the gout years of Noah? Where he was healthy with Thibs?

Again, i'm not saying VDN is brilliant or great coach. Just not sure his coaching years are as bad as people remember.

Find it weird i can't even recall him being an assistant or anything since, though.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/249714/John-Wall-Wants-Wizards-To-Make-Roster-Changes

lol tell em how you really feel john

By DY_nasty Go To Posthttps://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/249714/John-Wall-Wants-Wizards-To-Make-Roster-Changes

lol tell em how you really feel john

I agree, the John Wall experiment might be over.

Wall for Lin

By DY_nasty Go To Posthttps://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/249714/John-Wall-Wants-Wizards-To-Make-Roster-Changes

lol tell em how you really feel john

This is probably him saying "shut up 4evr Gortat."

But in my head canon it's all Oubre. I mean, it's gotta be at least a little bit Oubre, right?

Maybe some Markieff on the side.

By livefromkyoto Go To PostThis is probably him saying "shut up 4evr Gortat."

But in my head canon it's all Oubre. I mean, it's gotta be at least a little bit Oubre, right?

Maybe some Markieff on the side.

Outside Otto Porter, they all seem like they have ... struggles being good team mates. Like, every single one of them.

By giririsss Go To PostAhh.

And didn't VDN get the gout years of Noah? Where he was healthy with Thibs?

Again, i'm not saying VDN is brilliant or great coach. Just not sure his coaching years are as bad as people remember.

Find it weird i can't even recall him being an assistant or anything since, though.

I mean they had a bigger turn around than the Warriors between Jackson and Kerr... so

By blackace Go To PostI mean they had a bigger turn around than the Warriors between Jackson and Kerr… so

Not sure that's true, Warriors won the chip. Jackson had them out in the first round. (To the first yer of the Doc Rivers Clippers).

Jackson didn't have the FO trying to sabotage him though. He did that him self.

I think it's weird for guys like VDN who didn't turn in bad results (coaching career win % of .533) who ... i'm not sure if he put his hand up to be a head coach again but if it was him, that he hasn't been doing time as an assistant at least. Makes you wonder how he got brought up again even.

I mean Mac10 was on the Pacers bench for a few years before getting another shot.

By giririsss Go To PostNot sure that's true, Warriors won the chip. Jackson had them out in the first round. (To the first yer of the Doc Rivers Clippers).

Jackson didn't have the FO trying to sabotage him though. He did that him self.

I think it's weird for guys like VDN who didn't turn in bad results (coaching career win % of .533) who … i'm not sure if he put his hand up to be a head coach again but if it was him, that he hasn't been doing time as an assistant at least. Makes you wonder how he got brought up again even.

I mean Mac10 was on the Pacers bench for a few years before getting another shot.

every year the Warriors improved under Jackson... Vinny was 500 both years and Thibs came in and won the EC, turned Rose into an MVP and lost the ECF to the big 3 in Mia... but he won 21 more games than Vinny...while Jackson did lose to the Clips in 7 in round 1 he made to the 2nd round and lost to the Spurs before that and won 51 games before getting fired.

But Vinny got a 2nd chance in LA did ok with it but got smoked himself in the first round the year he got fired... I get you might like Jackson for number of reasons but I don't really see how Vinny got a raw deal while Jackson didn't

By blackace Go To Postevery year the Warriors improved under Jackson… Vinny was 500 both years and Thibs came in and won the EC, turned Rose into an MVP and lost the ECF to the big 3 in Mia… but he won 21 more games than Vinny…while Jackson did lose to the Clips in 7 in round 1 he made to the 2nd round and lost to the Spurs before that and won 51 games before getting fired.

But Vinny got a 2nd chance in LA did ok with it but got smoked himself in the first round the year he got fired… I get you might like Jackson for number of reasons but I don't really see how Vinny got a raw deal while Jackson didn't

VDN had the FO working against him in Chicago. And i'm pretty sure it was CP3, their new franchise point guard who told the clippers he wanted a black coach. But I think a regime change was about to happen regardless, and VDN was on his way out.

The only one working against Jackson was him self.

By giririsss Go To PostI agree, the John Wall experiment might be over.

No. The trying to run Kieff and Gortat as your 4/5 experiment is over. They are an unplayable tandem.

By giririsss Go To PostVDN had the FO working against him in Chicago. And i'm pretty sure it was CP3, their new franchise point guard who told the clippers he wanted a black coach. But I think a regime change was about to happen regardless, and VDN was on his way out.

The only one working against Jackson was him self.

CP3 didn't want him because he didn't think he was a good coach.. a lot of finger pointing went into to firing and I kind of doubt that Vinny got fired by Donald Sterling because he was white.. Paul seems to like Pringles. But hey.. Let's believe any rumor.

Regardless most players really liked Jackson and he just clashed with ownership more than anything (which is why if he ends up to be a Knick it will be a clusterfuck) but he was for sure good with the players which is more than Vinny ever had.. In fact most players who played for Vinny don't really say anything good about him at all. they don't shit on him or anything but I don't recall anyone being really upset or even really defending him at either job.. Getting your players to believe in you is a BIG part of coaching... maybe the biggest part. The Warriors just got a coach that happened to be just as good or even better at that than Mark was in Kerr.. if they didn't the Jackson firing would most likely be looked at as a huge mistake..

Jackson was only good with some of the players. Ask Ezeli.

He also didn't get along very well with his own coaching staff.

By Kibner Go To PostJackson was only good with some of the players. Ask Ezeli.

He also didn't get along very well with his own coaching staff.

He had troubles no doubt.. and most coaches not named Monty Williams has some players that don't like him... but I just think it is a funny narrative that Vinny got a raw deal because the front that hired him was out to get him and the most racist known owner fired him because he was white but Mark Jackson somehow isn't as good as Vinny... /shrug

By Dark PhaZe Go To PostNo. The trying to run Kieff and Gortat as your 4/5 experiment is over. They are an unplayable tandem.

Gortat is 34, you’ve probably got just about everything you’re going to get out of him. He’s still solid in the pick & roll, but it’s probably just about time for a bench role for him. Morris seems kinda dumb, but at least he learned to shoot 3s at a league average %. Maybe if you can get him shooting more than two a game that does something.

By blackace Go To PostHe had troubles no doubt.. and most coaches not named Monty Williams has some players that don't like him… but I just think it is a funny narrative that Vinny got a raw deal because the front that hired him was out to get him and the most racist known owner fired him because he was white but Mark Jackson somehow isn't as good as Vinny… /shrug

I had an effort post typed up but my Internet went out while submitting and now it's gone.

It boiled down to VDN and MJ both offering nothing positive to the league so I'm glad neither is coaching. I also wish that both MJ and JVG were off the air because their bitterness and negativity is damn annoying.

By livefromkyoto Go To PostGortat is 34, you’ve probably got just about everything you’re going to get out of him. He’s still solid in the pick & roll, but it’s probably just about time for a bench role for him. Morris seems kinda dumb, but at least he learned to shoot 3s at a league average %. Maybe if you can get him shooting more than two a game that does something.

Kieff can't move. He's 60 years old in regards to his defense in combination with animal dumb mistakes and decisions. Shouldn't even waste minutes on him next year. Give him his money and papers and get some youngry d-leaguer a chance.

Zach Lowe on Westbrook:

In a disappointing and potentially franchise-altering first-round series loss, Russell Westbrook used up 38 percent of Oklahoma City possessions with a shot, drawn foul or turnover – a larger share than LeBron James accounted for in almost single-handedly dragging Cleveland past Indiana. Westbrook's usage rate was almost the same as LeBron's in the 2015 Finals, when James carried an injury-riddled misfit crew within two games of the championship.

Facing elimination, with every teammate but the redoubtable Steven Adams bricking away, Westbrook attempted a jaw-dropping 43 shots. He somehow launched 19 triples. He made seven. Utah coaches and players were happy with almost all of them.

There is something wrong with this. Just how wrong it is, why the Thunder still play this way, and what it means for their uncertain future are matters of debate.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23364202/zach-lowe-russell-westbrook-oklahoma-city-thunder-nba

By reilo Go To PostZach Lowe on Westbrook:

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23364202/zach-lowe-russell-westbrook-oklahoma-city-thunder-nba

being fair, he averaged 20 shots a night before panic set in in game 5 and he said fuck it

Westbrook set 24 ball screens combined in 86 games this season, per Second Spectrum tracking data. Josh Huestis and Terrance Ferguson each set twice that many.

fuck

Ibaka was hesitant and confused when he received the ball in space in Oklahoma City. (Also: Ibaka developed more as a ball-mover in one year in Toronto than in seven seasons with the Thunder.)

jesus Zach put the knife down

By Dark PhaZe Go To PostKieff can't move. He's 60 years old in regards to his defense in combination with animal dumb mistakes and decisions. Shouldn't even waste minutes on him next year. Give him his money and papers and get some youngry d-leaguer a chance.

Open Floor's take on Melo was brutal. This is how they illustrated how far he's fallen. (Paraphrased)

"When he came into the league it was a question whether you wanted to build your team around Lebron or Carmelo. Now it's where you would rather have Kanter out there on defense before him."

Yikes. It has to be effort, because he's not nearly as old as he looks. Sure, he's definitely lost a step with age, but the fall off is ridiculous. He'll take the money and hope to be bought out, I'm sure. Then he'll sign with whatever city needs a tank commander but hopes to sell a few extra tickets.

He hurt his knee and is old af. He's done.

I think the role of being the 3rd (really 4th behind Adams) guy just wore on him. Also, he's lost a step and isn't as motivated out there.

it isnt effort. he's just washed and unwilling (unable?) to accept a lesser role.