By Doomsayer Go To PostLonzo's defense has been his biggest surprise. He hasn't been great, but he hasn't been bad on the defensive side either.
Lonzo's defense has been legitimately good.
He's shooting terribly and doing everything else relatively well.
By pilonv1 Go To PostYes, he's only rookie bad now on defense as opposed to the historically bad he looked in Summer Leagueyeah he never even looked that good on defense in college
i was shitting on em, but he played wall and kyrie both about as well as anyone in the league could
someone who should be in the d-league? thon maker
By DY_nasty Go To Postyal trippin
cut his minutes or something, you can't take a top 5 pick and throw him in the d-league while he's floated with triple doubles on a losing squad
King of Karmatic Haters bringing some level-headedness into this conversation. Princess Lebron about to have career worst totals tonight.
By reilo Go To PostJames Harden is 6th on that list and Westbrook hasn't played defense in four years.
RPM is a trash stat
By reilo Go To PostJames Harden is 6th on that list and Westbrook hasn't played defense in four years.
Hasn't Harden picked it up defensible this year? Are you taking issue with the advanced state itself?
By Fenderputty Go To PostHasn't Harden picked it up defensible this year? Are you taking issue with the advanced state itself?
By pilonv1 Go To PostRPM is a trash stat.
By Doomsayer Go To PostMaybe my eyes deceive me, but he really hasn't been bad at all?Every all-in-one defensive metric needs to be side-eyed. Some are better than others but defensive stats depend on context so damn much that you shouldn't take them at face value.
He has the highest DRPM of all guards in this class.
By Moris Go To PostLonzo's defense has been legitimately good.Where is Ricard Rubio i Vives?
He's shooting terribly and doing everything else relatively well.
By reilo Go To Postdude has turned into Otto Porter this season. Elite efficiency.
but why
By s y Go To PostWhere is Ricard Rubio i Vives?
32nd, 17 spots ahead of Lillard.
http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/DRPM/position/1
By Moris Go To Post32nd, 17 spots ahead of Lillard.Where is Lonzo on defense?
http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/DRPM/position/1
Guarding Evan Turner? In the corner? For a three?
By s y Go To Postdude has turned into Otto Porter this season. Elite efficiency.
13 games in. Sam "Fucking" Hinkie rolling over in his grave right. He would have handled Nerlens differently, possibly dealt Okafor, wouldn't have let Fultz on the court... sigh
Yea, Lonzo was real dumb to guard his man and let Lillard attempt that really difficult shot.
If you allow someone to take a step back 3, several feet behind the line with their man in their face, you definitely failed.
If you allow someone to take a step back 3, several feet behind the line with their man in their face, you definitely failed.
By DY_nasty Go To Postnobody cares about portland lolWhen you see it from the other angle, it looks like the pick up is just before he plants his right. So it's like at worst 3 steps instead of 2. hardly the worst travel that won't get called this year.
smokey this your mans right?
By Moris Go To PostYea, Lonzo was real dumb to guard his man and let Lillard attempt that really difficult shot.Why's a PF in Ingram getting the assignment and not Top-10 Defensive PG Lonzo Ball to guard him?
If you allow someone to take a step back 3, several feet behind the line with their man in their face, you definitely failed.
And yea, they failed. That's literally Lillard's go-to move in those situations and Ingram just let him walk into it. That's the shot Lillard wanted, not the one he took because Ingram forced him into it lol
Speaking of RPM, nobody gonna post this one?
You strawman so much it hurts to read sometimes. No one is arguing his offense, we are talking about defense.
All stats are terrible until they prove your position, right?
All stats are terrible until they prove your position, right?
All encompassing defensive stats are terrible. Lakers fans want to argue otherwise because they gotta find some silver lining with how awful Lonzo is.
By Doomsayer Go To PostYou strawman so much it hurts to read sometimes. No one is arguing his offense, we are talking about defense.Offensive stats are often still useful even in a vacuum. Defensive stats not nearly as much.
All stats are terrible until they prove your position, right?
Lonzo has been normal rookie bad on defensive (thanks Pilon), maybe slightly better. He's certainly not a top defender.
By DY_nasty Go To Postyou could argue there isn't a single good offensive player on the lakers team at all thoughBrook is a solid scorer.
By Moris Go To PostLonzo is a better defender than Damian Lillard.You're just mad that he was staring at his future self while guarding Evan Turner.
I should say, he would be so lucky to be as good of a freethrow shooter as Evan Turner.
We live in a world where Steph and Harden are better defenders than YNB currently. Thats wild.
That shit shouldn't happen, YNB can be a better defender he just dont give a shit.
That shit shouldn't happen, YNB can be a better defender he just dont give a shit.
I AM a little upset that a 20 year old rookie is better at half of basketball than a two-time All Star reserve.
By Moris Go To PostI AM a little upset that a 20 year old rookie is better at half of basketball than a two-time All Star reserve.Lonzo's three-point percentage/10
By DY_nasty Go To Post
am i brett brown?
naw he's fuckin trash now bro
By s y Go To PostNBA NOV 2017 | Head Down for Hinkie, Ass Up for Embiid
By Kibner Go To PostOffensive stats are often still useful even in a vacuum. Defensive stats not nearly as much.
I firmly believe this. There is so much teamwork and situational variables that affects defense. Offense, no so much.
By s y Go To Posti got way too many trust issues to click your links psy
By TTG Go To Post13 games in. Sam "Fucking" Hinkie rolling over in his grave right. He would have handled Nerlens differently, possibly dealt Okafor, wouldn't have let Fultz on the court… sighSam Hinkie is a bum
By diehard Go To Postthat feel when you have to start Jonas JerebkoI was wondering why he was starting lol.
By s y Go To PostGuys earning it. And ... it's saving them a ton of money on his next one too i bet. In total i'ts a 62M contract re work. But they'll only be paying 45M over the next 4 years.
So they're using up all their cap space this year to get flexibility long term.
By blackace Go To PostSam Hinkie is a bum
That's a funny way of spelling hero, but ok.
By knux-future Go To Postall this Lonzo trolling is going to lead him bodying us…guys stahpDid you guys suddenly trade for Eric Bledsoe? No? You safe, fam.
By knux-future Go To Postall this Lonzo trolling is going to lead him bodying us…guys stahp
A loss to the Lakers is a loss to Lavar Ball. That's extra motivation to win.
By TTG Go To PostSo, is this why Charlotte is never on national tv?I keep telling Dy to go easy on that hate just as an experiment... see if Charlotte would rip off 5 in a row and MKG start saying he's never felt healthier. All that Dy hate keeping them down.
we were 5-7 without two of our most important starters but aite
still don't know how batum is even playing with his elbow not connected to his body
still don't know how batum is even playing with his elbow not connected to his body