By TTG Go To PostWait, he was the Heats best 3pt shooter?
And to be clear, I'm not blaming Bosh for them losing their last finals. I'm saying his lack of presence at the rim, defense and rebounding both, meant Lebron and Wade had to pick up the slack night in and night out. Lebron in those last 2 years for them especially was putting in an unprecedented effort anyway and he would have to fight bigs for rebounds and scramble over to help every time someone caught the ball deep enough against Bosh on top of it. Life is/was much easier in Cleveland.
Bosh was AMAZING at defense. He was the sole thing that allowed LBJ and Wade to blitz on defense, because Bosh was fast enough to cover, extend, recover. He was quick enough to guard basically 4 positions.
He was the sole reason Miami COULD switch on defense.
But those schemes mean that rim defense isn't going to be his main priority. And when you have athletic guys like wade and LBJ who can come in from the weak side, it shouldn't have been his main priority.
As for LBJ's effort ... those are some of the lowest minute totals he's played, and he was regularly playing 75 games or under each season. ...
I mean, your premise is just not true.
I was just hoping for a fun 42 win team that plays defense and scrapes by on scrubs going off on offense. Now I'm just hoping to get to like 33ish wins as long as Mitchell looks good. We on that treadmill.
By DY_nasty Go To PostRudy's been big as fuck more than yesterday, he should know how to protect himself better tbhDon't think you blame it on Rudy. But i'm not sure you can blame waiters either. It's a basketball injury, it's just one of those things that can happen purely by existing on the court.
even bigs in high school know to keep their legs out of the way during scrims for the ball. same as guards knowing to steer clear of a bigs shoulder and elbows while deep in the paint.
that play sucks for gobert, but its not something you can police in basketball imo
By giririsss Go To PostAs for LBJ's effort … those are some of the lowest minute totals he's played, and he was regularly playing 75 games or under each season. …Lebron is leading the league in minutes played this year, but nah, he had it tougher playing next to Bosh. Or whatever.
I mean, your premise is just not true.
BTW, he lead the league in MPG and was Top 10 in Total Minutes last season, too.
By reilo Go To PostLebron is leading the league in minutes played this year, but nah, he had it tougher playing next to Bosh. Or whatever.I mean, i say lowest minutes, but it was still around 37mpg. That's still huge.
BTW, he lead the league in MPG and was Top 10 in Total Minutes last season, too.
But that team gave up bench depth when they all signed.
bosh pretty much revolutionized defense lol
"he didn't guard the rim" is pretty... well, that's framed poorly. because of bosh, miami could absolutely blitz the pnr in ways that no other team in the league could. they were destroying people before they even initiated offense. birdman's job was easy as fuck.
"he didn't guard the rim" is pretty... well, that's framed poorly. because of bosh, miami could absolutely blitz the pnr in ways that no other team in the league could. they were destroying people before they even initiated offense. birdman's job was easy as fuck.
By giririsss Go To PostDon't think you blame it on Rudy. But i'm not sure you can blame waiters either. It's a basketball injury, it's just one of those things that can happen purely by existing on the court.its about up there with a guard getting his face broken by jumping at the rim for rebounds among the trees imo
The year they picked up Ray they had one of the deepest benches in the league. Pretty sure they had like 8 guys on the roster shooting 40% from 3.
That team was the dictionary definition of coasting, especially for LeBron.
That team was the dictionary definition of coasting, especially for LeBron.
By DY_nasty Go To Postbosh pretty much revolutionized defense lolI don't need a full hand to count the number of PFs that can guard the pick-and-roll like he did, especially at his size.
"he didn't guard the rim" is pretty… well, that's framed poorly. because of bosh, miami could absolutely blitz the pnr in ways that no other team in the league could. they were destroying people before they even initiated offense. birdman's job was easy as fuck.
Noah's suspension up but he's not dressing tonight.
Hey Kuz is out there...
By Sho_Nuff82 Go To PostFinally got around to reading Zach Lowe's breakdown of how bad the Wiz bench is. This team could easily be Celtics-status right now if their second unit wasn't so terrible. They really have to start staggering Wall & Beal or trade for a third guy who can create.
Hey Kuz is out there...
By Sho_Nuff82 Go To PostThe year they picked up Ray they had one of the deepest benches in the league. Pretty sure they had like 8 guys on the roster shooting 40% from 3.They ran a lot of guys, but that's because the big 3 blew the other team out. Then the bench squad would give up that lead and heading into the 4th the game would be tied up again.
That team was the dictionary definition of coasting, especially for LeBron.
They didn't have depth in the real sense of the meaning. They did put bodies on the court though.
By DY_nasty Go To Postits gonna be funny when lbj goes to the knicks next yearImma be happy as fuck.
He still a clown though...
By Random Ass Username Go To PostHe is so done with the Cavs.nah he will retire in Cleveland.
By unknown Go To Postnah he will retire in Cleveland.I don't see it. Dude has some more gas left in the tank and the Cavs imploded and the owner is a POS.
By giririsss Go To PostI mean, your premise is just not true.We disagree. I would take a traditional rim protector and 10+ rebounds a night guy over what he did on pick and roll and switching on smaller guys because it would mean taking pressure off Lebron(and others). Over entire seasons and playoff runs into June that wear and tear adds up in a big way, especially on a team that would see more than half its roster retire or never get back into the league. Obviously Bosh didn't make them quit, but an anchor on defense would have been a big help.
By reilo Go To PostLebron is leading the league in minutes played this year, but nah, he had it tougher playing next to Bosh. Or whatever.
BTW, he lead the league in MPG and was Top 10 in Total Minutes last season, too.
He clocks more minutes now, but he barely plays any defense, especially not against big men. The Heat would fall apart if he wasn't the best on the floor at everything but getting the opening tip at the end of their run. Bosh getting trampled down low contributed to that. But that's enough Bosh criticism out of me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Miami doesn't make it to the Finals against Boston if you swap Bosh for Roy "traditional rim protector that grabs 10+ rebounds a game" Hibbert.
By TTG Go To PostWe disagree. I would take a traditional rim protector and 10+ rebounds a night guy over what he did on pick and roll and switching on smaller guys because it would mean taking pressure off Lebron(and others). Over entire seasons and playoff runs into June that wear and tear adds up in a big way, especially on a team that would see more than half its roster retire or never get back into the league. Obviously Bosh didn't make them quit, but an anchor on defense would have been a big help.traditional rim protection was a thing back before high pnr options and corner 3s based on analytics changed the game
He clocks more minutes now, but he barely plays any defense, especially not against big men. The Heat would fall apart if he wasn't the best on the floor at everything but getting the opening tip at the end of their run. Bosh getting trampled down low contributed to that. But that's enough Bosh criticism out of me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
its just outdated priorities now. its like saying that clint capela is more valuable as a defender than a guy like zeller. if your big can't stagger perimeter action, you're getting bombed from orbit now
By DY_nasty Go To Posttraditional rim protection was a thing back before high pnr options and corner 3s based on analytics changed the gameBosh, Garnett, and David Robinson were all a generation or two too early. They would've destroyed in 2015+ NBA.
its just outdated priorities now. its like saying that clint capela is more valuable as a defender than a guy like zeller. if your big can't stagger perimeter action, you're getting bombed from orbit now
By reilo Go To PostBosh, Garnett, and David Robinson were all a generation or two too early. They would've destroyed in 2015+ NBA.garnett still was huge for modern zones and how mobile bigs got valued as a whole
robinson in today's game would earth shattering shit tho. russell too
By DY_nasty Go To Posttraditional rim protection was a thing back before high pnr options and corner 3s based on analytics changed the game
its just outdated priorities now. its like saying that clint capela is more valuable as a defender than a guy like zeller. if your big can't stagger perimeter action, you're getting bombed from orbit now
Even in their last year it was Hibbert and West, Splitter and Duncan to end the year. Bosh would be more valuable now, agreed. I don't get to watch Cody Zeller often though I must admit.
By s y Go To PostTTG exposed as a filthy casual
Would a filthy casual throw out a Bosh game 7 point total just like that? huh huh?
By TTG Go To PostEven in their last year it was Hibbert and West, Splitter and Duncan to end the year. Bosh would be more valuable now, agreed. I don't get to watch Cody Zeller often though I must admit.hibbert's lack of versatility is what kept anyone from every being surprised by indiana imo. west just isn't ever 'ahead' of anyone defensively either
duncan is an all-time great defensive player. even though he's not sprinting past the 3pt line, he's in firm control of everything within 15 ft - that's rare in itself, but its hardly changing the way his defense attacks. it just makes it extremely efficient and provides a firm foundation for everything pop tried to do.
By diehard Go To PostI always wonder if Malone could have shot 3's. Webber too, he had an awesome 18 footer.webber would've been gdlk
that passing in today's game unf
By diehard Go To PostI always wonder if Malone could have shot 3's. Webber too, he had an awesome 18 footer.I believe so.
he couldn't shoot for shit early in his career and developed a consistent jumper.
By DY_nasty Go To Postwebber would've been gdlknobody would even call him soft these days either
that passing in today's game unf
By DY_nasty Go To Postgarnett still was huge for modern zones and how mobile bigs got valued as a wholeGarnett changed the game but everyone always complained about his lack to the basket game like he still wasn’t a generational talent. You can hear Barkley rant that nobody posts up 20 feet with their back to the basket anymore.
robinson in today's game would earth shattering shit tho. russell too
I remember scoffing at Sheed taking threes (he didn’t shoot them well) but it would’ve been killer if he played a decade later, because he was damn mobile for his size as well.
By DY_nasty Go To PostThat seems like an unnecessary security risk
By s y Go To PostThat seems like an unnecessary security risk
Peeps in Penn Station ain't doing shit but chirp.
By TTG Go To PostWe disagree. I would take a traditional rim protector and 10+ rebounds a night guy over what he did on pick and roll and switching on smaller guys because it would mean taking pressure off Lebron(and others). Over entire seasons and playoff runs into June that wear and tear adds up in a big way, especially on a team that would see more than half its roster retire or never get back into the league. Obviously Bosh didn't make them quit, but an anchor on defense would have been a big help.
A traditional rim protector would have made it so that LBJ had to play a lot harder on defense. He couldn't switch off and go to the corner. He would have had to fight over a screen and stay with the ball handler, so bosh could retreat to the paint to "protect the rim".
Bosh doing what he did on switches allowed LBJ to take it easier, and just play help defender a shit ton more.
LBJ and wade having to cover for a "traditional" guy would have been horrendous. They would have been trying to recover on broken down action so much more.
I think this is a case of valuing the stats over the action.
And that doesn't even take into account how much harder it would have been on offense if they had a traditional big clogging the lane.
I love that McDermott and Korver instinctively look for each other on D.
Also, among Malones, I'm pretty certain Karl would shoot them as well as Post.
Also, among Malones, I'm pretty certain Karl would shoot them as well as Post.
By s y Go To Post
Hold on, let me go act hard for a minute
