By reilo Go To PostI think the issue here is that management let him play on a bad hip for a chance to make it as far into the playoffs as possible for as long as they did, which then got worse and resulted in Ainge needing to trade him. You don't see the cause and correlation there?I think Ainge would trade him if healthy tbh
I just have a feeling of indifference about the move. You lost a top pick to basically just get 3 years younger at the position. Like--aite. But I don't feel bad for IT because he went to a team that will probably max him while also competing for chips.
By LionPride Go To PostI think Ainge would trade him if healthy tbhits not just that, they fucked up his money
By reilo Go To PostI think the issue here is that management let him play on a bad hip for a chance to make it as far into the playoffs as possible for as long as they did, which then got worse and resulted in Ainge needing to trade him. You don't see the cause and correlation there?the contract extension issue was dangling for the entire year as well, the players association would have a case if they really decided to push it too i think
if they came down on phil or labeling carmelo a scumbag, then they could absolutely say that ainge manipulated good faith in the same way
Exactly. Ainge fucked IT2's future up by not stopping him from playing on a bad hip. That's management's job to do.
I always think back about Brandon Roy's career and if he would've been in the league a little bit longer had management insisted he repair his meniscus rather than opting to tear out the bad part. I know his knees were already on shaky ground from college (because, again, he took the bad meniscus out rather than repair it), but it would've made all of the difference. Repairing the meniscus is a six-month recovery whereas tearing it out is a month long, but it was on management to make sure he took the best medical option, but he never did.
I always think back about Brandon Roy's career and if he would've been in the league a little bit longer had management insisted he repair his meniscus rather than opting to tear out the bad part. I know his knees were already on shaky ground from college (because, again, he took the bad meniscus out rather than repair it), but it would've made all of the difference. Repairing the meniscus is a six-month recovery whereas tearing it out is a month long, but it was on management to make sure he took the best medical option, but he never did.
By LionPride Go To PostSomeone is going to pay IT money, some incompetent ass team will do it, that's a factDefine "money"? He was on pace for a max (or near max contract) if healthy, but now he'll be lucky to get an additional $30mil for his next one.
By Dark PhaZe Go To Postlets b real IT hid that shitThey knew. Ainge is a scumbag.
By rodeoclown Go To PostI disagree. I just think they're supremely boring. They two modes, one where they let the opponent hang around and then blow them out in the fourth, or the other where they just outright blow people out. I never feel like they're going to lose and so there's no excitement to the games for me.
Like, how many times can I really watch their Monstars team bomb 3s on teams that are just much worse than they are? How is that fun?
forever. it's so hype when they get rolling downhill.
By s y Go To PostKyrie looked pretty good last night tbhtoo bad derrick rose can't guard him all season
By Dark PhaZe Go To PostDerrick is weird—his first step is still elite but its like he forgot how everything else worksi don't think he knows how to practice. dude was GOOD, but his timing has never been the same - only thing that makes sense is that he's on that jamal crawford/stephen jackson workout plan
everything was natural for him before, but its extremely rare to watch a game and say "oh, what a great read by rose there"
like he just don't play like he gets it. teams probably don't even watch his film anymore. he'll never do anything different. not like he's a bad player or anything, but someone's gotta get him to real camp before he wakes up as ramon sessions one day
Hard to practice on fixing your kinks and improving your skills when you can't even walk in the off-season.
By reilo Go To PostHard to practice on fixing your kinks and improving your skills when you can't even walk in the off-season.rose is fine now, shit
if anything that applies to batum's ho ass
By reilo Go To PostThey knew. Ainge is a scumbag.
If he is cleared and healthy enough to play...
By reilo Go To PostCleared by who…I can't find any actual evidence that the Celtics did anything wrong. It's all just "oh they knew!!" comments.
Who knows. He was hurt more than a couple times that campaign, so I'm assuming a doctor of some degree followed up with him.
Of course you can't. That's how dudes like Ainge play it lol
How many times have you heard IWMTB bitch about the Jazz's transparency into their health of their players?
How many times have you heard IWMTB bitch about the Jazz's transparency into their health of their players?
they knew enough to have it effect their willingness to extend him at the very least, i'm not gonna go so far as to say that its some intricate plot - but the back and forth between cleveland's medical interpretation of IT vs boston's at the time of trade added to the other circumstantial stuff
at the very least its shady as hell and fucked up dude's money with how it all played out
at the very least its shady as hell and fucked up dude's money with how it all played out
That's just the way it is though. The empathetic fan will think of some handshake agreement where he will be compensated for putting his body on the line for the club.
That same fan twenty-four hours and a $10 beer later...
That same fan twenty-four hours and a $10 beer later...
By Sanjuro Go To PostThat's just the way it is though. The empathetic fan will think of some handshake agreement where he will be compensated for putting his body on the line for the club.this is the same league that publicly shit on the knicks over phil jackson talking sideways about melo's trade status and the treatment of the infamous charles oakley
That same fan twenty-four hours and a $10 beer later…
its not just gonna 'go away' most likely. at the very least ainge will have to put up with the front office version of carlos boozer's handshake to a blind man
nba's pretty intimate in comparison to other leagues
By DY_nasty Go To Postyeah the whole thing is some nfl shitWait, what?
I'm 100% fine with what Boston did to IT2.
By giririsss Go To PostWait, what?i would've been too if they didn't openly and publicly go back and forth on his health situation. guys get surgery all the time with little press, but his circumstances were all the way in the open.
I'm 100% fine with what Boston did to IT2.
its common practice for teams to use health to knock significant millions and years off of a guy's contract. the nfl makes common practice of this - my issue is that if there's any indication of good faith agreements from either party, its grimey.
its one thing if dwight is tweeting about what teams could use him and he's traded the same day, or if a guy just gets traded without a heads up like cousins. but players don't risk their health in contract years like this without some sort of "don't worry, we got you" in the nba. it never happens.
By DY_nasty Go To Postnba's pretty intimate in comparison to other leagues
I generally am pro-player and like the MLB structure in terms of cap/contract. The NBA is the only one out of the major four where I can't really see it working very smoothly for that reason alone.
It's still lousy though. More than any other player I've seen recently, IT did everything "the right way", which absolutely infuriates me when I hear fans talking about his loud mouth as reason alone to ditch him.
By Sanjuro Go To Postwhich absolutely infuriates me when I hear fans talking about his loud mouth as reason alone to ditch him.Boston is no stranger to dog whistles.
By Sanjuro Go To PostI generally am pro-player and like the MLB structure in terms of cap/contract. The NBA is the only one out of the major four where I can't really see it working very smoothly for that reason alone.yeah, i can't see the nba ever lining up 1 for 1 that way either
It's still lousy though. More than any other player I've seen recently, IT did everything "the right way", which absolutely infuriates me when I hear fans talking about his loud mouth as reason alone to ditch him.
its delicate, and i'm sure a lot more went on behind closed doors than what was let on from the media - best case the players association says something, but its not really something that be handled outside of players becoming further entrenched in their fuckloyalty stance
IT2 is also as loyal as it gets, too. For him to come out and say "I'll never talk to Ainge again" means some shit went down between them.
By reilo Go To PostI think the issue here is that management let him play on a bad hip for a chance to make it as far into the playoffs as possible for as long as they did, which then got worse and resulted in Ainge needing to trade him. You don't see the cause and correlation there?
"Let him play". Ahuh. I guess he had no choice!
By DY_nasty Go To Postits not just that, they fucked up his money
if they came down on phil or labeling carmelo a scumbag, then they could absolutely say that ainge manipulated good faith in the same way
And when LBJ bolts from CLE leaving that burning shit heap of a Roster? The league already has a good faith clause built in, guaranteed contracts.
By reilo Go To PostExactly. Ainge fucked IT2's future up by not stopping him from playing on a bad hip. That's management's job to do.
If IT2 fully informed Boston about how bad it was feeling / got worse, Ainge certainly could, maybe should, have stepped in. But if the Boston medical staff fully informed IT2 about it and the repercussions he's MORE at fault. Sometimes it's hard for players to grasp this stuff, but it had been going on for months from the stories. It was an injury that progressed to get worse. Both parties bare some responsibility.
Trying to blame Ainge for IT2's situation is childish. IT2 is a grown ass man. He knew that post season success took him to guaranteed max extension, instead of "Well, who wants to pay a 30yo IT2 $35M".
This isn't, as far as anyone knows, a situation like Chicago where the medical staff were outright lieing to the players about injuries.
The inactive list exists for a reason, giri. And that list is at the coach's discretion, not the player's.
"Boston is going to be all love," he vows, with one exception. "I might not ever talk to Danny again. That might not happen. I'll talk to everybody else. But what he did, knowing everything I went through, you don't do that, bro. That's not right. I'm not saying eff you. But every team in this situation comes out a year or two later and says, 'We made a mistake.' That's what they'll say, too."
By giririsss Go To PostAnd when LBJ bolts from CLE leaving that burning shit heap of a Roster? The league already has a good faith clause built in, guaranteed contracts.guaranteed contracts are one thing, lost potential earnings are another
like i said, it'd be different if boston was in any way surprised by his injury or something but they weren't - you never see guys risk their health in contract years the way IT did
maybe my memory is wrong, but i can't think of any other situation similar. usually its a player gambling on themselves.... closest thing i can think of was wes matthews - but he was always out the door
Wes Matthews tore his achilles in his contract year. He wasn't actively fighting through any injury. If LaMarcus had stayed, I'm pretty sure Portland would've resigned Wes and RoLo and gave it another go.
By DY_nasty Go To Postguaranteed contracts are one thing, lost potential earnings are anotherI think it happens to guys going for their first guaranteed contract more than anyone else. Second round picks and UDFA-type guys. I can't recall names off-hand, but I think I remember it happening.
like i said, it'd be different if boston was in any way surprised by his injury or something but they weren't - you never see guys risk their health in contract years the way IT did
maybe my memory is wrong, but i can't think of any other situation similar. usually its a player gambling on themselves…. closest thing i can think of was wes matthews - but he was always out the door
By reilo Go To PostThe inactive list exists for a reason, giri. And that list is at the coach's discretion, not the player's.
I never said Boston couldn't have made him sit.
By DY_nasty Go To Postguaranteed contracts are one thing, lost potential earnings are anotherLost potential earnings means he's definitively guaranteed earnings, and you can definitively prove it.
like i said, it'd be different if boston was in any way surprised by his injury or something but they weren't - you never see guys risk their health in contract years the way IT did
maybe my memory is wrong, but i can't think of any other situation similar. usually its a player gambling on themselves…. closest thing i can think of was wes matthews - but he was always out the door
If IT2 sits and misses the last 6 weeks of the season and all the post season, He's in no way guaranteed a max contract.
This isn't Boston giving a verbal promise and re-negging on it. Which would be illegal.
This isn't Boston feeding IT2 incorrect medical reports.
IT2 got injured in a contract year. It hurt him no matter which option HE took.
Injurys hurt players in contract years. Look at Curry.
If IT2 sits and misses the last 6 weeks of the season and all the post season, He's in no way guaranteed a max contract.
By s y Go To Postyeah pretty much
even the bulls let deng and noah get paid without putting all their business out there
By reilo Go To PostThey are 7 years apart wtfthe article, title, and picture say WILDLY different things lol
gutter trash
By DY_nasty Go To Postthe article, title, and picture say WILDLY different things lol
gutter trash
And those expressions of manhood rest on the complicated, often troubled history of black fathers and sons.
Kyrie has a great father. He didn’t need LeBron to play the father figure in Cleveland.
Maybe it’s connected to the fact that 70 percent of black mothers are unmarried when they give birth
The twists and turns of Irving’s and James’ stories show that black manhood is a multifaceted thing. But it’s indisputable that far too many of us in the black community grow up without strong fathers.
Tough love can come from many places other than a father, but nobody can deliver it with more weight. And inevitably, the son will bump up against the father’s will.
