i think he is not this bad....... he can be a role player in any champhion team.....
hope he stays he is very tall and strong if he plays as pg......
he was drafted firt pick sixers? knux?
By pilonv1Jason Valenzuela @Jayzon481 #GSW is +171 in their last 10 games… Holy hell.Take out 4th quarters and the Warriors still have an average victory margin of 10. Better than all West teams in full games since 1972
When they don't win the championship it's going to feel so empty
I dunno, how's their health vs other teams?
By dbI dunno, how's their health vs other teams?
Warriors have had injuries, but they've dealt with them cause they're deep.
They've also avoided steph getting hurt.
Although it would be more fun to see Memphis vs Atlanta.
By BranduilOnly way Golden State might not win is if Bogut gets injured.Always seems to happen somehow
I'm not sure about SA beating GSW though. I think Leonard would have to go beyond what he did in the finals last year for that to happen.
The realist in me wants to say Spurs in 6...but San Antonio hasn't been that good on the road this season(injuries/rest?) so the blind homer goes with Houston in 7.
By VahagnBy HasphatsAntsBy reiloLOL sorry forgot to include the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zDoYDwVCEw
So that's where Tony Parker got that off-foot scoop layup from
Uhh. are u talking about the one they replayed? The double overtime one?
If so, he's using the correct foot. Right handed layup, left leg. He's coming from the left side, so maybe that's why it threw you off?
On a broader note. Every sequence there with the exception of a few included a maximum of two passes. Often times less. Part of the reason their pace was so damn high is because they took the first open shot, instead of passing it around passing up good shots for great shots. And people compare this to the Spurs offense?
Did anyone play defense in that game? Anyone?
By dbSo I want the NBA hot thread to be something incredibly pedantic. What categories do you think would be appropriate. So far I got physical attractiveness, NBA salary, external revenue, PER, Rings, babymamas, but I'm sure more can be included.social media fukkery
By DY_nastyBy dbSo I want the NBA hot thread to be something incredibly pedantic. What categories do you think would be appropriate. So far I got physical attractiveness, NBA salary, external revenue, PER, Rings, babymamas, but I'm sure more can be included.social media fukkery
Okay. Was also thinking something to encompass strip club and jailbait fukkery but I wouldn't know what to call it.
By dbI'd like to give a nod to Ben Gordon and his wife throwing bows at a Charlotte nightclub but that's giving him too much credit.By DY_nastyBy dbSo I want the NBA hot thread to be something incredibly pedantic. What categories do you think would be appropriate. So far I got physical attractiveness, NBA salary, external revenue, PER, Rings, babymamas, but I'm sure more can be included.social media fukkery
Okay. Was also thinking something to encompass strip club and jailbait fukkery but I wouldn't know what to call it.
I had a dream last night that Trey Burke went 4-22 and we lost to a TWolves team because Zach Lavine went Tracy McGrady in the final minute. Dreams are so ridiculous.
We talk so much about improving the game of basketball, and I just wonder at what point we can find a way to increase ownership education--because it all trickles down from there. We talk about changing the rules, we talk about changing aspects of the lottery, journalists pile on coaches all the time, but there's never been a large scale emphasis on ownership. Like, you'll hear Kenny and Charles keep it real all day about individual players and sometimes coaching, and even rarer still, management, but you don't ever hear anyone bad mouth an owner.
And as a fan of a team with a terrible owner, I feel unrepresented and utterly hopeless. I'm not sure what the solution is, but there's got to be a way to make owners face their decisions (or lack thereof) with more responsibility than they currently do.
You feel unrepresented because you are. Most fans don't know who their owner is. The league will always defend their owners except in extreme cases like Sterling (and they even had his back until Silver came into the league and he was recorded saying some reprehensible shit). The only solution I can think of is sustained fan protest, but that's hard to do when bad ownership inevitably results in fan apathy.
The best you can hope for is that Leonsis accidentally hires a GM who knows what he's doing and keeps his hands off for the most part.
Leonsis raised ticket prices despite the fact that we've sold out like 8 games on the year
With shit like tax revenue disbursement among non-luxury teams its just very hard for teams to not make money.
By Dark PhaZe Go To PostLeonsis raised ticket prices despite the fact that we've sold out like 8 games on the year
With shit like tax revenue disbursement among non-luxury teams its just very hard for teams to not make money.
True. But you can bet your life that the owners will cry poor as the next CBA negotiations approach.
I think owners will just take the L next negotiation and prep for a hardline stance in the one after
Just too much evidence that they are killing it for them to successfully defend against shit in 17 or whatever
By Dark PhaZe Go To PostI think owners will just take the L next negotiation and prep for a hardline stance in the one after
Just too much evidence that they are killing it for them to successfully defend against shit in 17 or whatever
I think you're underestimating the greed of some of the greediest motherfuckers on the planet.
The prices are so high for nba teams that many teams have investment groups and not one owner. They just put someone as the face because having 15 people show up to every meeting is absurd.
Why do you hate the Wizards ownership group? They don't have a problem maxing out wall, paying Gortat, keeping flexibility open for a possible Durant signing. Yea the coach isn't great, but lots of franchises are suffering from bad coaches. It's a competitive league, that means either you have an elite top 10 coach, or you're being out coached regularly.
Btw - the 09 Lakers had a higher ORTG than this years league leading GS team. The notion that you can't be ruthlessly efficient shooting mid range shots, running the triangle or posting up is absurd. It's about playing to your strengths. And neither Wall nor Gortat or Nene are 3 point marksmen.
“That’s totally irresponsible, we’re not tanking games,” Saunders said. “If that’s so, then [Utah] got beat by a team who was tanking. … We’re playing to win. Our guys are out there: We won two games ago at New York, we lost in the fourth quarter against Charlotte last night. We’re not tanking games. It is irresponsible for them to go on TV saying that. If you work at ESPN, you get fired for saying stuff like that.”
I don't believe you, Flip.
Grunfeld and Wittman have both been proven to be mediocre to terribad in this league. It's as simple as that. I don't expect magic--just effort in acquiring a staff with upside. Neither have any upside given track record. Grunfelds draft history is absolutely abysmal, his win loss record is abysmal, why keep him?
By reilo Go To PostUgh fuck, the span and inline styles should be stripped out. Goddammit Vaggy.
Wait what?
By Dark PhaZe Go To PostGrunfeld and Wittman have both been proven to be mediocre to terribad in this league. It's as simple as that. I don't expect magic--just effort in acquiring a staff with upside. Neither have any upside given track record. Grunfelds draft history is absolutely abysmal, his win loss record is abysmal, why keep him?
The only explanation I can come up with is that Leonsis doesn't think GMs or coaches actually matter, so he'll just stick with a couple of cheap ones until the Wizards magically chip.
By Vahagn Go To PostWait what?
Something you pasted in also set some font-size attributes. Those should be stripped out. Not sure how they made it in.
By Dark PhaZe Go To PostGrunfeld and Wittman have both been proven to be mediocre to terribad in this league. It's as simple as that. I don't expect magic--just effort in acquiring a staff with upside. Neither have any upside given track record. Grunfelds draft history is absolutely abysmal, his win loss record is abysmal, why keep him?
I guess my point is, that in a competitive league, you're going to have a top tier of FO/Coach, a mid tier and a bottom tier. We can't just penalize or punish all the owners that aren't routinely hiring an elite staff. Within any 15 year window, like 29 teams would change owners at that rate.
But yea. Grunfeld and Wittman suck. Replace them.
By Vahagn Go To Post
I guess my point is, that in a competitive league, you're going to have a top tier of FO/Coach, a mid tier and a bottom tier. We can't just penalize or punish all the owners that aren't routinely hiring an elite staff. Within any 15 year window, like 29 teams would change owners at that rate.
But yea. Grunfeld and Wittman suck. Replace them.
I mean... I don't know that they suck, exactly. Like, Wittman isn't actually terrible (Grunfeld has a better argument with how badly he fucked up the whole Agent Zero thing). But they're completely average. Maybe ownership is okay with that? Again, I'm getting the weird sense that this is some sort of experiment to see how much money you can make if you view the team solely as a business investment and aren't an insane racist.
I guess I should be happy that Leonsis isn't reactionary like Dolan is, but Grunfeld has literally had this job for twelve years now. That's an insanely long tenure for a GM on a team that has by and large been awful the entire time. This is the zenith of his second rebuild cycle and the Wizards are nowhere close to good enough to do anything in the playoffs. It just seems like he's been given unlimited rope. Maybe we can learn from Footy-SLAENT and get relegation going...
Oh weird, I thought slaent was messing up. I didn't know we automatically had responses at the bottom now. I'm not sure if I like the change, but it's not awful either.
ESPN NBA homepage now has a RPM leaders board built in. Sigh, the further simplifying of the average NBA Fan's understanding continues...
I mean Grunfeld isn't average. You might be able to argue that Witt is--given that he's pretty good at one side of basketball and not the other, but Grunfeld isn't average. He's an atrocious drafter and has managed to not once develop a team that's been able to consistently get in the second round in 12 years now. By all metrics, he's terrible.
By IWMTB19 Go To Post The Warriors starting lineup and main lineup (which has killed everyone this year) of Curry, Klay, Barnes, Green, Bogut played a total of zero minutes last season, go Mark Jackson.
While it's true that Mark Jackson clearly kept this team from reaching it's potential based on what's happening this year, how the heck are you going to argue that a lineup that played 0 minutes last year would obviously be the best in the league this year. You have absolutely no data to make that decision on. Looking at the data, you would have just taken the lineup with the best +/- over a decent sample size and played that team a heck of a lot more. Right?
Because (and I'm assuming here) you were looking at some data when you kept trashing Kerr for playing Barnes instead of Iggy at the start of the season.
By IWMTB19 Go To Post The Warriors starting lineup and main lineup (which has killed everyone this year) of Curry, Klay, Barnes, Green, Bogut played a total of zero minutes last season, go Mark Jackson.
You sure were singing Barnes' praises last season.....
By psychintellect Go To Post
You sure were singing Barnes' praises last season.....
Bingo.
Give analytics credit for teams doing well, ignore the fact that analytics gave either no information or negative informational feedback on team's most successful lineup.
Is it weird I think the warriors have a chance because of the incessant injuries plaguing other teams and or the fact that a couple teams are basically one-man shows in which the hero will burn the hell out.
By Vahagn Go To PostBingo.
Give analytics credit for teams doing well, ignore the fact that analytics gave either no information or negative informational feedback on team's most successful lineup.
How could they have had data on that lineup if Jackson never even tried it?
By KingGondo Go To Post
How could they have had data on that lineup if Jackson never even tried it?
Isn't that what I said? No information regarding that lineup. and Negative information regarding Barnes whose 2013-2014 season was pretty much shit and Iggy had almost twice the WS as Barnes. Probably at least partly why IWMTB was trashing Kerr so much for picking Barnes over Iggy early on.
By Vahagn Go To PostIsn't that what I said? No information regarding that lineup. and Negative information regarding Barnes whose 2013-2014 season was pretty much shit.
There's no information because Mark Jackson was too rigid to experiment with it. It still reflects badly on Jackson no matter how hard you try to spin it into an "analytics are overrated" argument.
I think Barnes doing so poorly speaks volumes about Mark Jackson's inability to develop and utilize talent, actually. He honestly looked like he had a lot of potential whenever I saw him play the Clippers.
By KingGondo Go To Post
There's no information because Mark Jackson was too rigid to experiment with it. It still reflects badly on Jackson no matter how hard you try to spin it into an "analytics are overrated" argument.
So I'm just going to assume you didn't read anything I wrote.
By Vahagn Go To Post
While it's true that Mark Jackson clearly kept this team from reaching it's potential based on what's happening this year, how the heck are you going to argue that a lineup that played 0 minutes last year would obviously be the best in the league this year. You have absolutely no data to make that decision on. Looking at the data, you would have just taken the lineup with the best +/- over a decent sample size and played that team a heck of a lot more. Right?
Because (and I'm assuming here) you were looking at some data when you kept trashing Kerr for playing Barnes instead of Iggy at the start of the season.
Two things can simultaneously be true. Mark Jackson could suck. And analytics could have provided no information / bad information on the most significant positive lineup change this season.