By rodeoclownBy reilo133 points in regulation. Goddamn.I remember a stretch in 09, I think? where they scored 140 in three or four straight games.
Young Boris Diaw looking so athletic, damn.
That offense was a such a machine and we should all be really pissed that Steve Kerr robbed us of a year of it with that Shaq trade and then hiring Terry Porter.
I understand the Shaq trade though. Everyone thought they weren't good enough to win a championship with such an undersized front court, and that they'd have to adopt a half court game for the postseason. Shaq was just about the only thing out there that was going to get them past Tim Duncan. And Porter was coming from Detroit to teach them how to defend. It was a gutsy move for a culture change, it just didn't work.
By reiloWhere every modern PG gets it from.
Nobody does it as pretty though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y08sA3MeFKw
By reiloAnd it's quite obvious IWMBT19 has Vaggy on ignore right now, so this is even more hilarious lmao.
Talking to a fucking wall, Vaggy. A fucking wall.
Yea that clearly seems to be true. Which really just highlights his inferiority complex, can't handle different ways of thinking.
As for your question. There is no one stat. That's the point. Every stat nerd looking for the proverbial damn fountain of youth is just being too lazy to think and assess and watch film and research.
RPM gives tons of weight to guys who help their teams blow teams out on the offensive end. Like Curry and Harden and Lebron. That's why they're ranked so high. I haven't checked, but I'm fairly certain Nash would be top 10 through the D'Antoni years. If you're trying to gage an individual players defensive capabilities when drafting or trading, as he suggests the stat is useful for, just knowing what the hell to look for In a defender from a skill/tools position seems far more useful. Lest you think Noel is trash and Curry's the best defender in the league.
On a side note. Nash was amazing. No doubt. But Zach Lowe really really really sounds like an idiot when he compares Pops system to D'Antoni's. Nuance and understanding in schemes and offensive systems honestly escapes so many people. It's baffling.
Huh? How was Nash not a Top 10 player during the D'antoni years? That's crazy talk. Like RPM is an overall stat, not just a defensive stat.
It's worth remembering that Steve was 2 games away from carrying Jared Dudley, Robin Lopez, Grant Hill, Channing Frye, and Lou Amundson to the Finals.
No wonder his back killed him. Backpack heavier than Precious.
Shocking news.
No wonder his back killed him. Backpack heavier than Precious.
Synergy Sports Tech @SynergySST 1h1 hour ago
Steve Nash's 23.9 points created on the pick and roll per-game remains the highest single-season mark ever recorded in our database.
Shocking news.
By reiloHuh? How was Nash not a Top 10 player during the D'antoni years? That's crazy talk. Like RPM is an overall stat, not just a defensive stat.
Oh for sure he was! Just refuting the notion that it's useful for judging defense at all. Let alone the MOST useful for judging defense.
By romreivaha nash was better than kid?
I's put them as equal. Kidd was an otherworldly defender. Nash was an otherworldly shooter. Both were 2 of the best ever at pure PG skills. Same level to me. Gimme either one.
Rockets' Jones Out With Collapsed Lung
Rockets floor that much more scummy. Jones was one of the few non-douches.
Rockets floor that much more scummy. Jones was one of the few non-douches.
By romreivaha nash was better than kid?wasn't even close in my mind.
at least offensively... nash could be considered an offensive GOAT and i wouldn't necessarily flip out about it. its a valid opinion
RPM is an overall stat that judges overall offensive and defensive impact. There are plenty stats that are good are judging offensive impact (OWS in particular), but RPM's defensive component (DRPM) is much better than other defensive stats.
Seriously, click the "DRPM" column and it will sort based on how good it thinks players are on defense alone. (spoiler, it's Bogut, Duncan, and the rest on top, not Harden).
Seriously, click the "DRPM" column and it will sort based on how good it thinks players are on defense alone. (spoiler, it's Bogut, Duncan, and the rest on top, not Harden).
By DY_nastyBy romreivaha nash was better than kid?wasn't even close in my mind.
at least offensively… nash could be considered an offensive GOAT and i wouldn't necessarily flip out about it. its a valid opinion
It'd be a lot easier to root for Steve that's for sure.
By IWMTB19RPM is an overall stat that judges overall offensive and defensive impact. There are plenty stats that are good are judging offensive impact (OWS in particular), but RPM's defensive component (DRPM) is much better than other defensive stats.
Seriously, click the "DRPM" column and it will sort based on how good it thinks players are on defense alone. (spoiler, it's Bogut, Duncan, and the rest on top, not Harden).
But if we're being totally fair here, the fact that no Point Guard is in the top 40 in DRPM shows some structural problems in the way that stat is calculated.
People forgetting that Kidd made 3 finals and was a lockdown defender at 3 positions.
No PG in the top 40 in DRPM And Steph Curry 1 in PG DRPM. Conley 15th.
No PG in the top 40 in DRPM And Steph Curry 1 in PG DRPM. Conley 15th.
The top 5 of the DRPM seems really legit except for Cousins, I don't watch the Kings since they're fucking trash and makes me wonder how much of an impact he really has defensively if they're so bad.
I'm guessing its because compared the other top 4(Allen,Bogut,Green,Duncan) they all have other great defenders on their teams?
I'm guessing its because compared the other top 4(Allen,Bogut,Green,Duncan) they all have other great defenders on their teams?
But if we're being totally fair here, the fact that no Point Guard is in the top 40 in DRPM shows some structural problems in the way that stat is calculated.
It takes height as an input so it has flaws. I don't love JE put the non-plus or minus stuff together (in that he focused on maximizing predicting value even over whether or not the variable should be included or if the sign given by the regression made sense) and I hope we develop good defensive stats from SportsVU (and FG% allowed at the rim is part of the way to getting there) that can replace the need to estimate defensive impact through adjusted plus or minus regressions. But it's better than the alternatives for now.
By psychintellectThe top 5 of the DRPM seems really legit except for Cousins, I don't watch the Kings since they're fucking trash and makes me wonder how much of an impact he really has defensively if they're so bad.
I'm guessing its because compared the other top 4(Allen,Bogut,Green,Duncan) they all have other great defenders on their teams?
Cousins himself has been good defensively. He's good on his feet and his p'n'r D is decent just because of how big he is.
By HasphatsAntsTop 5 good?By psychintellectThe top 5 of the DRPM seems really legit except for Cousins, I don't watch the Kings since they're fucking trash and makes me wonder how much of an impact he really has defensively if they're so bad.
I'm guessing its because compared the other top 4(Allen,Bogut,Green,Duncan) they all have other great defenders on their teams?
Cousins himself has been good defensively. He's good on his feet and his p'n'r D is decent just because of how big he is.
By IWMTB19How did Smart only get one game for his dick punch?Well, I don't think Ibaka got suspended for his crotch shots.
By dbWhat's he got against Griffin's dickProbably checking to see if 1st if he had one, 2nd if it grew any.
By IWMTB19Yo…. What the fuck.
There's always a guy with that smooth fadeaway jumper with a little bit of Kobe in him though...they aren't wrong--Nick Young, Marshon Brooks...but I mean yea, these guys never actually defend or go to the basket once they get in the league.
By VahagnBy romreivaha nash was better than kid?
I's put them as equal. Kidd was an otherworldly defender. Nash was an otherworldly shooter. Both were 2 of the best ever at pure PG skills. Same level to me. Gimme either one.
Kidd was a true two-way player...
Only PG to play both ends better was GP and he was a bit of a blackhole on O
http://www.si.com/nba/2015/03/21/steve-nash-retirement-legacy-lakers-suns-mavericks-santa-clara
Lee Jenkins makes every other basketball writer look like trash. It's so unfair.
Lee Jenkins makes every other basketball writer look like trash. It's so unfair.
Thanks Steve Nash.
You made basketball fun again.
You were also one of the classiest guys to ever play and lead a team.
The Nash Amare PnR will always be iconic to me.
You made basketball fun again.
You were also one of the classiest guys to ever play and lead a team.
The Nash Amare PnR will always be iconic to me.
Sad thing is the three point shot era really started going when Nash went down. It would have really suited him :(
By Dark PhaZeSad thing is the three point shot era really started going when Nash went down. It would have really suited him :(
basically woulda been Curry with better playmaking ability and less defensive effort =(, woulda been amazing.
Steve shot 47% from 3 off 380 attempts (nearly 5 a game) in 2008.
That's absurd as the lead ballhandler. He's just as good a shooter as Steph.
That's absurd as the lead ballhandler. He's just as good a shooter as Steph.
By HasphatsAntsSteve shot 47% from 3 off 380 attempts (nearly 5 a game) in 2008.
That's absurd as the lead ballhandler. He's just as good a shooter as Steph.
So many of his were on the break too. The only other guy I don't cringe when I see them pull up for a fast break 3 is Durant.
Nash eventually got a lot of love for his shooting. It took a while, particularly for people to see the real value in having a shooter at ever spot on the floor for spacing.
He didn't always get a lot of love for the sheer amount of physical conditioning he did. Guy was insane.
I'll never like how his or Barron Davis's careers ended.
By psychintellectThe top 5 of the DRPM seems really legit except for Cousins, I don't watch the Kings since they're fucking trash and makes me wonder how much of an impact he really has defensively if they're so bad.
I'm guessing its because compared the other top 4(Allen,Bogut,Green,Duncan) they all have other great defenders on their teams?
Cousins is legit. Big body that has good hands and can move his feet. Also he put pressure on opposing centers trying to guard him(gets them in foul trouble). You know how much of a beast he is if you don't watch them Kings. Boogie the best center in the game and it is not even close.
By fertygoThis Mirotic-Taj-Noah line-up not half bad…It's pretty sweet. Get's me hyped for the playoffs if they can stay healthy.
By fertygoWe have offense now folksEnjoy it until Rose ruins it with his 8 turn overs.
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By Dark PhaZeSad thing is the three point shot era really started going when Nash went down. It would have really suited him :(Well some would argue the three point shot era started after teams starting incorporating the offenses of the Nash/D'antoni suns teams. So in a way he helped create it
It would have been fun to see him school these current point guards though
