SLAENT 2017 Yahoo NFL Fantasy Football Play or Die League (Season 4) of #KickersLivesMatter

Current League Members
1. Measure of a Manning - The Frankman -- DUES PAID --
2. Manziel in Distress - scythD -- DUES PAID --
3. Cold Steel - cloudy (Defending Champion) -- DUES PAID --
4. Long Island Broskis - Ubertag -- DUES PAID --
5. TDs N` Beer - Minx88 -- DUES PAID --
6. Seasons - VPhys -- DUES PAID --
7. DEATH ROW - wildkard -- DUES PAID --

New Teams:
8. AldonholicsAnonymous - Method -- DUES PAID --
9. Stormlight - Koko -- DUES PAID --
10. Junkyard Dogs - Larry Elitzer -- DUES PAID --
11. Baseballislife93 - baseballislife93 -- DUES PAID --
12. Ragerunners - Michael Chance -- DUES PAID --
13. The Walking DEZ - mike t -- DUES PAID --
14. Cool Clark Clan - Benjamin -- DUES PAID --
15. The Autumn Win - sooperkool -- DUES PAID --
16. Swamp Hogs - Steve -- DUES PAID --

No queue right now, whomever joins and pays is automatically in.

Not Returning:
1. Bail Kings Eastcoast - crazymoogle
2. Lit - poppnfresh
3. RedBull Express PoD - acksman
4. Slaent Dropout - Trey
5. Pixel Pirates - diehard (will join if we are short a spot, will technically be in the Queue)


There are 14 people in the league as of now and 2-3 open spots, Link to join the league is here -- OPEN INVITE LINK!, or I can get your e-mail address and send you an invite.

I will start accepting payments on July 21st, so people have a month to get payment in. After August 21st spots are first come/paid, first served regardless of prior league affiliation unless I have been contacted via PM/e-mail about payment.

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Possible League Changes for Future Leagues/Things to Note

10/31
- Buy in of $70-75?
- make sure to research roster spots/positions to maintain offensive nature of league. Pull data to see if points system should be tweaked. Same with roster spots per team.

11/1
- Requiring the Yahoo App and confirmed points of contact (Primary E-Mail, App, Yahoo forum). No burner e-mails
- See if response for using Yahoo Cash Leagues have improved and look into using them next year instead of PayPal
(also look into LeagueSafe)
- Improve recruiting efforts to the more "professional" boards (RotoWorld, Football Guys, RotoGrinders, etc.)

11/2
- Death Row's (aka "THE CHEATER BEATERS") banned (KICKED)

11/4
- Increase the amount of Trade Pushes to 2 next year

11/30
- Swamp Hogs loses future spot (can be on waitlist)
- Baseballislife69 loses future spot

Great read and links by Andy Behrens

PPR Fantasy Scoring is a relic: Let's try new things

Somewhere along the way, a weird sort of PPR snobbery took hold — particularly among fantasy experts. Hardcore zealots emerged. They told us, among other things, that PPR was a smarter way to play, that it better represented the tendencies of a changing game by rewarding a critical skill. And we all played along, reshuffling cheat sheets, building rosters around the exquisite skills of Marty Booker and Larry Centers.

But here’s the thing: Within the context of an actual NFL game, a 5-yard reception is not substantially more valuable than a 5-yard run. No reasonable person would argue that a catch for no-gain should be scored the same in fantasy as a 10-yard rush (or 5, or 3). Receptions have no special meaning in reality, beyond the yards they generate. This seems fairly obvious.

So while we may have enjoyed the impact PPR scoring had on draft boards, we’d begun awarding points for a common event with no inherent value.

Article of the week: Reviving the true value of the fantasy football QB

We need to fix quarterback scoring y'all.

Even those of you who hate change, and those of you who just want to stay in blissful ignorance and play in "standard" leagues because that is how you, your father, and your father's father have always played fantasy football. Yes, you too know deep down quarterback scoring needs to change.

The NFL Fantasy crew just completed our first offseason mock draft and Aaron Rodgers was taken at the top of the fourth round, 31st overall. If you're a savvy fantasy manager, you know that sounds about right for the Green Bay signal caller.

But let's think about that for a second. Aaron flippin' Rodgers went 14 picks after Todd Gurley, a player who was an abject disaster in fantasy last year. Rodgers is a perennial MVP candidate for goodness sakes and a fantasy stud year in and year out.

Meanwhile, other quarterback studs saw even worse treatment from our seasoned fake-game experts. Russell Wilson went in the 12th round while Matt Ryan, the actual MVP from last season, went in the 14th round, 133rd overall.

When quarterbacks give you just four points per passing touchdown and just minus-two when they turn the ball over, this drafting style is par for the course. This is normal.

But it is also insane.

I REALLY like some of the ideas he's talking about, but one of them (Using QB Rating in scoring) is impossible, the other (No QB streaming) is improbable. The idea of changing QB scoring/turnovers I like, the idea of Blake fucking Bortles having almost as much value as Aaron Rodgers disgusts me. I don't know about a 6-4 system, but a 5-3 I could be down with. How about you guys?

EDIT: Comments section has some damn good discussion.

Any updates about what the buy in is going to be?

By Method Go To PostAny updates about what the buy in is going to be?

I don't think anyone will object to $65.

Count me in.

Last year I couldn't make it, but this is my year.

By Koko Go To PostCount me in.

Last year I couldn't make it, but this is my year.

Ok, the Open Invite League link is in the second post.

By The Frankman Go To PostOk, the Open Invite League link is in the second post.

Done.

By Koko Go To PostDone.

Click the link and you should join automatically.

By The Frankman Go To PostClick the link and you should join automatically.

I get this message:

In order to join this league, the commissioner needs to provide you with a valid invitation link. You can request that they send you one using the form below!

By Koko Go To PostI get this message:

In order to join this league, the commissioner needs to provide you with a valid invitation link. You can request that they send you one using the form below!

Weird... lemme try the other way.

EDIT: Ok just sent you an invite link to your e-mail.

Leagues dues are now being accepted, e-mail me or PM me for details... the payment info hasn't changed from previous years. Dues can be tracked here.

League Draft/Start Date: (Tentative) Monday, September 4th, 9 PM Eastern, 6 PM Pacific

Is this still Tentative? If it is not this time, what is the backup time?

By vphys Go To PostLeague Draft/Start Date: (Tentative) Monday, September 4th, 9 PM Eastern, 6 PM Pacific

Is this still Tentative? If it is not this time, what is the backup time?

It was changed to that and so far no one has had any issues with that time.

Just paid

By cloudy Go To PostJust paid

Noted, can anyone who still posts on GAF and hasn't been banned post a message in the Fantasy Football threads? I made a note of it in the league e-mail.

I want to thank Fenderputty for posting league info on GAF. Dunno why no one else did when I asked weeks ago.

By The Frankman Go To PostI want to thank Fenderputty for posting league info on GAF. Dunno why no one else did when I asked weeks ago.

What's my finders fee? Lol

By Fenderputty Go To PostWhat's my finders fee? Lol

I give you a hearty handshake and my eternal gratitude... Once someone actually joins.

I saw this late but requested a slot.

By sooperkool Go To PostI saw this late but requested a slot.

Gotcha, I will send you details on payment. It's first come/first in at this point.

Sorry so late, I won't be able to participate this year, right in the middle of a divorce and my mind has been elsewhere. Hopefully I can get back in next year. Good luck to everyone!

By Acksman Go To PostSorry so late, I won't be able to participate this year, right in the middle of a divorce and my mind has been elsewhere. Hopefully I can get back in next year. Good luck to everyone!

Ok man, I'm sorry to hear that you're going through a rough time. I hope things get better for you in the future, hang in there.

Quick update... we have 9 Paid, 1 will pay, 1 confirmed in queue, and about 7 potentials in que. We also have 3-4 people from last year who have not paid yet... so 6 spots and like 10-11 people for them. Get your payment in to lock your spots.

posted on the rotogrinders thread, wanna pm there your paypall info

By baseballislife93 Go To Postposted on the rotogrinders thread, wanna pm there your paypall info

Gotcha, sending you the info now on Rotogrinders

Ok just a quick update, only one spot left.

Good luck this season, everyone.

8th pick? Ehhhhhh

FootballGuys Rate My Team Ratings

I trusted these guys alot in past years but yikes.

Well they see how terrible your RB situation is. Sure your WRs are amazing but it's the only position you have an advantage in. Surely you don't have a strong one at QB or TE. Obviously you can fix your RB situation in the waiver wire or via a trade.

But yes I have also always enjoyed using football guys rate my team. They have a great podcast as well.

They love my team by the way...
http://subscribers.footballguys.com/rate-my-team/team.php?team=tm984WujV4Wi

By Minx Go To PostWell they see how terrible your RB situation is. Sure your WRs are amazing but it's the only position you have an advantage in. Surely you don't have a strong one at QB or TE. Obviously you can fix your RB situation in the waiver wire or via a trade.

But yes I have also always enjoyed using football guys rate my team. They have a great podcast as well.

They love my team by the way…
http://subscribers.footballguys.com/rate-my-team/team.php?team=tm984WujV4Wi

... Check Rivers and Brate's numbers last year

By The Frankman Go To Post… Check Rivers and Brate's numbers last year

That's last year not this year though.
Check Rivers brutal early schedule and his history of breaking down as the season goes on. Will he finish top 10? Maybe... Still not a strong advantage over most other teams QB's.

There are also more mouths to feed this year for the Bucs with Djax and Howard. I would hardly call Brate having a strong advantage at TE by any means. Will he be serviceable? Sure.

By Minx Go To PostThat's last year not this year though.
Check Rivers brutal early schedule and his history of breaking down as the season goes on. Will he finish top 10? Maybe… Still not a strong advantage over most other teams QB's.

There are also more mouths to feed this year for the Bucs with Djax and Howard. I would hardly call Brate having a strong advantage at TE by any means. Will he be serviceable? Sure.

That is a unusually harsh assessment of Rivers, who has a stupid amount of WR/TE weapons and the offense to chuck them with. He had big numbers with Williams/Benjamin/Inman, he can easily put together a Top 5 QB finish. Brate is serviceable, but had 6 TDs in 9 games down the stretch. He's been a good RZone target and Winston does chuck to TEs a decent amount. A Top 10 TE finish is definitely in the cards. Gates at least is another guy that should get a ton of RZone looks as Rivers security blanket.

Again they don't have to be dominant, but they are certainly at the least average/better than (Rivers especially).

I mean maybe your rankings are different but for both of them to be better than average that means the most accurate experts would be ranking them at each at #8 or higher (so better than average in a 16 team league) in their positions. I don't know of many experts with a history of being the most accurate ranking either player at #8 or above. Rivers would be closer tho. Anyways, no one really knows what will happen. I just know any given week I wouldn't be especially scared of your team at this point before the season starts.

I just need people to fear the team one the week they play them :D . As usual I'll make my hay on the waiver wire like always, unlike last year when I couldn't even make a deal because I drafted unknowns that panned out to have poor overall talent. I sorta took the ZeroRB thing too far (I wasn't planning on that strategy at all, it sorta happened), but it should be hard to overcome.

Well... it's one game but Kareem Hunt making me regret not reaching for him in the 2nd.

The trade done by The Autumn Win/TD's and Beer recently is why it's so hard to do early season trades. You're basing info on a 1-game sample size that may or may not be indicative of a seasonal trend. That being said, there are some metrics that justify the deal as very fair... but it would need a pretty definitive trend starting in Minnesota. I'm going to check out some numbers via FootBallOutsiders to break it down.

I will say that it was probably a "one offer and accept" trade and not a "shop around" deal.

...

I think this Sept 13th Waiver Period will go down as the most insane in SLAENT history.

And by insane someone paid $50 for Javorius Allen and that's not the most outlandish move by far.

We'll see how it works out but my gut has a long and storied history so I tend to respect it. Might trade Eli too but we'll see how that goes as well.

By sooperkool Go To PostWe'll see how it works out but my gut has a long and storied history so I tend to respect it. Might trade Eli too but we'll see how that goes as well.

Way the market is not sure you'll get anything for him. And that comes from a guy who drafted Eli the last 4 years.

you're correct but he's superfluous to my team now that I picked up Deshaun Foster.

My team is looking as dominant as it was last year. I just need health on my side this time, losing AJ Green last year was too much to overcome.

This is going to be a big week in terms of finding out what my lotto tickets can do (Collins and Gallman). Both will get a legit chance to start and if they do well could keep the job. Murray might get some passing down work also.

Ok league update... I have a replacement owner lined up in case Baseballlife63 does not contact me. I have tried 8 (EIGHT!) different forms of communication telling him to respond, and he has yet to. If he does not respond before 6 PM EST Thursday, his team will be reassigned to the new owner.

Top 12 QBs by Scoring

Deshaun Watson Hou - QB  The Autumn Win - 132.58
Alex Smith KC - QB  DEATH ROW - 126.58
Tom Brady NE - QB  Cold Steel II - 124.46
Carson Wentz Wagon - Phi - QB  Seasons - 117.66
"Whooaaaa" Cam Newton Car - QB  Manziel in Distress - 108.89
Dak Prescott Dal - QB  DEATH ROW - 104.53
*Aaron Rodgers GB - QB  The Autumn Win - 102.95
Kirk Cousins Was - QB  The Walking DEZ - 97.66
Russell Wilson Sea - QB  Long Island Broskis - 94.03
Carson Palmer Ari - QB  TDs N` Beer - 93.19
Philip Rivers Face - LAC - QB  No Manning No Prob - 92.67
Matthew Stafford Det - QB  StripesforCash - 92.07

Missed the Cut - Eli Manning NYG - QB, Drew Brees NO - QB, Jared Goff LAR - QB

Top 25 WRs
Antonio Brown Pit - WR  TDs N` Beer - 82.60
DeAndre Hopkins Hou - WR  No Manning No Prob - 74.20
"The Phenomenal" A.J. Green Cin - WR  No Manning No Prob - 67.40
Jordy Nelson GB - WR  Cool clark Clan - 65.00
Tyreek Hill KC - WR  Long Island Broskis - 64.06
Davante Adams GB - WR  Manziel in Distress - 63.90
Larry Fitzgerald Ari - WR  DEATH ROW - 63.50
Stefon Diggs Min - WR  Ragerunners65 - 63.30
Chris Hollywood Hogan NE - WR  DEATH ROW - 62.40
Brandin Cooks NE - WR  AldonholicsAnonymous - 62.20
Michael Crabtree Oak - WR  AldonholicsAnonymous - 60.40
Nelson Agholor Phi - WR  The Autumn Win - 56.10
Mike Evans TB - WR  Ragerunners65 - 55.10
T.Y. Hilton Ind - WR  JUNKYARD DOGS - 53.50
Keenan Allen LAC - WR  No Manning No Prob - 50.60
Will Fuller V Hou - WR  DEATH ROW - 49.82
Golden Tate Det - WR  The Walking DEZ - 49.60
Devin Funchess Car - WR  Seasons - 48.50
Adam "Hooked on a" Thielen Min - WR  AldonholicsAnonymous - 47.90
Jermaine Kearse NYJ - WR  The Autumn Win - 47.90
Marvin Jones Jr. Det - WR  TDs N` Beer - 46.00
Alshon Jeffery Phi - WR  Ragerunners65 - 45.70
Dez Bryant Dal - WR  Stormlight - 44.40
Michael Thomas NO - WR  DEATH ROW - 44.10
Pierre Garcon SF - WR  Cool clark Clan - 43.40

Missed the Cut - Kelvin Benjamin Car - WR, Danny Amendola NE - WR, J.J. Nelson Ari - WR

Top 25 RBs
Kareem Hunt KC - RB  TDs N` Beer - 123.50
Todd Gurley II LAR - RB  Ragerunners65 - 116.60
Leonard Fournette Jax - RB  StripesforCash - 115.20
Melvin Gordon LAC - RB  Cold Steel II - 99.80
Le'Veon Bell Pit - RB  The Walking DEZ - 94.60
Jordan Howard Chi - RB  AldonholicsAnonymous - 78.40
Chris Thompson Was - RB  The Autumn Win - 76.86
Carlos Hyde SF - RB  Swamp Hogs - 74.20
Devonta Freeman Atl - RB  Long Island Broskis - 73.40
Ezekiel "25:17" Elliott Dal - RB  DEATH ROW - 70.70
Lamar "Thriller" Miller Hou - RB  Swamp Hogs - 66.70
Jerick McKinnon Min - RB  DEATH ROW - 59.58
"Sister" Christian McCaffrey Car - RB  The Walking DEZ - 57.54
Duke Hyou Johnson Jr. Cle - RB  Manziel in Distress - 56.60
Mark Ingram NO - RB  Seasons - 55.50
Tarik Cohen Chi - RB  Ragerunners65 - 55.44
LeGarrette Blount Phi - RB  JUNKYARD DOGS - 55.10
C.J. Anderson Den - RB  DEATH ROW - 53.40
Mike Gillislee NE - RB  Seasons - 52.00
Javorius Allen Bal - RB  JUNKYARD DOGS - 51.50
DeMarco Murray Ten - RB  Manziel in Distress - 50.90
Frank Gore GORE GORE!!! Ind - RB  StripesforCash - 50.80
Ty Montgomery "He's just like a mini RB" GB - RB  Cold Steel II - 49.20
Tevin Coleman Atl - RB  TDs N` Beer - 49.00
Alvin Kamara NO - RB  TDs N` Beer - 48.50

Missed the Cut - Ameer Abdullah Det - RB, LeSean McCoy Buf - RB, Derrick Henry Ten - RB

Top 15 TEs
Rob Gronkowski (GRONK SMASH!) NE - TE  TDs N` Beer - 64.10
Zach Ertz Phi - TE  StripesforCash - 63.50
Cameron Brate TB - TE  No Manning No Prob - 52.10
Travis Kelce KC - TE  The Autumn Win - 51.70
Evan Engram NYG - TE  Swamp Hogs - 40.20
Hunter Henry LAC - TE  Long Island Broskis - 34.80
Jason Witten Dal - TE  DEATH ROW - 33.90
Zach Miller Chi - TE  AldonholicsAnonymous - 32.70
Kyle Rudolph Min - TE  TDs N` Beer - 32.10
Delanie Walker Ten - TE  JUNKYARD DOGS - 31.90
Ed Dickson Car - TE  Cold Steel II - 30.70
Austin "Hangin' With Mr" Hooper Atl - TE  The Walking DEZ - 30.20
David Njoku Cle - TE  Cool clark Clan - 29.90
Darren Fells Det - TE  The Walking DEZ - 28.10
Vernon Davis Was - TE  The Walking DEZ - 27.50

Missed the Cut - George Kittle SF - TE, Jesse James Pit - TE, Austin Seferian-Jenkins NYJ - TE

I'm liking the stats breakouts you're doing in here, Frankman. Sorry that my fantasy team went off on you this week.
I'm still willing to entertain your earlier trade offer, btw. Just didn't want to make a call either way before the weekend.

The injury bug is finally starting to hit me.

Should I change this thread to a Fantasy Football Advice Thread or just make a new one?

By Minx Go To PostThe injury bug is finally starting to hit me.

I don't tell people how to run their teams (anymore)... but DIVERSIFY YO PORTFOLIO.