Who the fuck is Early?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSIBA3YhdOg
and during the draft a couple of ESPN analyst said they thought he should of been a first rounder. Arguably the biggest knock against his game is he can't iso well, however he should be a great player in a support role in the triangle.
You guys are making a terrible argument for him. It must suck having to hang your hat on a second rounder.
Early's biggest flaw is that he can't dribble or defend or pass at all.
He also wouldn't have been drafted without the game against Kentucky...
He also wouldn't have been drafted without the game against Kentucky...
So Early's biggest flaws are that he can't do 4 out of 5 things that good basketball players can do?
So Early's biggest flaws are that he can't do 4 out of 5 things that good basketball players can do?
You guys are making a terrible argument for him. It must suck having to hang your hat on a second rounder.
Early's biggest flaw is that he can't dribble or defend or pass at all.
He also wouldn't have been drafted without the game against Kentucky…
Reilo plz nobody is hanging their head on a second round draft pick.
He was a outside shooting PF in college and his strengths and weaknesses correlate to that. Over the summer league he showed he was a decent defender, the biggest knock against him was lateral speed and he looked ok in that department. Also he showed that he could pass. The dribbling problem is why he can't iso, but in the triangle I wouldn't be surprised if he was asked to catch and shoot, and cut to the basket which he can do.
Also he had good stats throughout college that improved steadily over the time he was there. The major knock was the level of competition he played against, and his age which meant that his ceiling is likely going to be a roleplayer. Thats why the Kentucky game was a revelation because it showed that he could score a lot against a top program, and that maybe he could possibly develop into more than just a roleplayer.
He was a outside shooting PF in college and his strengths and weaknesses correlate to that. Over the summer league he showed he was a decent defender, the biggest knock against him was lateral speed and he looked ok in that department. Also he showed that he could pass. The dribbling problem is why he can't iso, but in the triangle I wouldn't be surprised if he was asked to catch and shoot, and cut to the basket which he can do.I'll add that his biggest flaw is that he was a tweener in college who has to play SF in the pros. I think his ceiling is super sub or decent complementary starter, the system SHOULD hide alot of his flaws. The biggest thing he'll need to work on is his defense and his ability to hit a corner 3.
Also he had good stats throughout college that improved steadily over the time he was there. The major knock was the level of competition he played against, and his age which meant that his ceiling is likely going to be a roleplayer. Thats why the Kentucky game was a revelation because it showed that he could score a lot against a top program, and that maybe he could possibly develop into more than just a roleplayer.
"For this season, right now, we have what we have," Anthony said when asked if he feels he has the help he is looking for. "We're going to deal with that. That was a big discussion with me and Phil – that was one of my things."
:lol:
:lol:So... he's saying he knows he ain't getting jack help outside what's on the roster now this year, we all know this. Hell, HE knew it and signed the contract anyway.
Translation: "my team sucks":lol:So… he's saying he knows he ain't getting jack help outside what's on the roster now this year, we all know this. Hell, HE knew it and signed the contract anyway.
Translation: "my team sucks":lol:So… he's saying he knows he ain't getting jack help outside what's on the roster now this year, we all know this. Hell, HE knew it and signed the contract anyway.
we still going to make the playoffs though, :D
Translation: "my team sucks":lol:So… he's saying he knows he ain't getting jack help outside what's on the roster now this year, we all know this. Hell, HE knew it and signed the contract anyway.
we still going to make the playoffs though, :D
Every year the East has a team or two under .500 in the playoffs....
"For this season, right now, we have what we have," Anthony said when asked if he feels he has the help he is looking for. "We're going to deal with that. That was a big discussion with me and Phil – that was one of my things."
:lol:
It's probably best to post the rest of the quote for context, because it's not how Melo meant it:
I didn’t want to have to do it night in and night out. I wanted some nights when somebody else can pick up the load.
“Right now with the way we’re playing, I don’t have to do everything. But we haven’t had a game yet. We haven’t played one game.”
“It will be less pressure on me,” he said. “I can see that now in training camp. I feel that. I can see what we’re able to do with the little bit of time we’ve been together this week. I see other guys’ roles and how they’re implemented into the system and what they’re capable of doing. I think it’ll be easier. It’s still going to be a dogfight, but I think it’ll be a little bit easier where everybody is not keying in and focusing on me every single time down the court.”
He's spoken highly of the roster multiple times.
Just a few days ago Melo said pretty much the same thing, that the offense is finding him easier and the flow is much better.
Translation: "my team sucks":lol:So… he's saying he knows he ain't getting jack help outside what's on the roster now this year, we all know this. Hell, HE knew it and signed the contract anyway.
we still going to make the playoffs though, :D
No we're not.
No we're not.Yes they are. They won 37 last year and missed the playoffs by essentially 1 game. That with all the injuries, boneheaded plays, Woodson moronic coaching. They would somehow have to be worse than last year, that that may be unpossible.
J.R. Smith said it will take at least two months for the Knicks to get comfortable enough to where the triangle offense is second nature.So basically mid-December? Sounds about right to me.
Smith added that the offensive reads of the triangle offense take the most adjustment as they require more quick thinking than the isolation play that he's used to.
J.R. Smith said it will take at least two months for the Knicks to get comfortable enough to where the triangle offense is second nature.So basically mid-December? Sounds about right to me.
Smith added that the offensive reads of the triangle offense take the most adjustment as they require more quick thinking than the isolation play that he's used to.
The knicks looked real good running the triangle, They were getting the shots they wanted. But yeah after the first quarter they began fucking ip the spacing and then they started is iso'ing again and boom it was down 20 points. Lol at the celtics going so hard during a preseason game though.
Well this puts all of that Dolan nonsense to rest. It's Phil's team to do as he pleases.
Knicks president Phil Jackson believes owner James Dolan has been “forced to meddle” in basketball decisions in the past. But Jackson said he has received assurances from Dolan that it won’t happen again as long as he’s running the team.
Jackson said Sunday that he spoke to Dolan about having full autonomy to make basketball decisions before he accepted the job as Knicks president.
“I was point blank and honest with him and said, ‘If I walk into your office or call you up on the telephone and tell you that I want to trade X player who’s an All-Star or Y player who’s the fans’ favorite, if I think it’s the right move, I want you to feel confident that I can do this, will you give me the liberty to do this?’ And he said yes, and that’s really the key,” Jackson said while speaking at The New Yorker Festival in Manhattan.
Jackson’s authority extended to the team’s decision to re-sign Carmelo Anthony, according to the team president. Dolan told Jackson before he took the job in March that if Jackson didn’t feel signing Anthony was the “right direction to go, then you don’t have to sign him.”
“I had that liberty to make that choice and needed to have that to come and do the job the right way,” said Jackson, who inked a five-year, $60 million deal to run the Knicks.
Jackson ultimately re-signed Anthony to a five-year, $124 million contract.
“He has just touched the surface of his greatness, and I think we have a guy that has a lot more to offer,” Jackson said of the 30-year-old Anthony.
Dolan has a strong relationship with Anthony, and many observers wondered whether he would strong-arm Jackson during negotiations with Anthony over the summer.
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Jackson addressed Dolan’s meddling with basketball decisions Sunday.
“He has this tremendous competitive drive and wants to really do well,” Jackson said. “In the process, he’s gotten involved in basketball simply because things have happened in this organization that have irritated him.
“Some of the ways that the teams have been handled, some of the decisions that have been made on players that were brought in and were costly to the organization, hampered and handcuffed them to making changes. So he felt obliged and obligated to get involved in it so he could correct the inadequacies or errant direction in which the organization was going. … So he’s been involved in it on some level, and as a result there are some things that have happened where he’s looked like he’s meddled. And I think he had to meddle at some point. He was almost forced to meddle in some situations. That word meddle might be a little bit harsh to even use.”
Knicks president Phil Jackson believes owner James Dolan has been “forced to meddle” in basketball decisions in the past. But Jackson said he has received assurances from Dolan that it won’t happen again as long as he’s running the team.
Jackson said Sunday that he spoke to Dolan about having full autonomy to make basketball decisions before he accepted the job as Knicks president.
“I was point blank and honest with him and said, ‘If I walk into your office or call you up on the telephone and tell you that I want to trade X player who’s an All-Star or Y player who’s the fans’ favorite, if I think it’s the right move, I want you to feel confident that I can do this, will you give me the liberty to do this?’ And he said yes, and that’s really the key,” Jackson said while speaking at The New Yorker Festival in Manhattan.
Jackson’s authority extended to the team’s decision to re-sign Carmelo Anthony, according to the team president. Dolan told Jackson before he took the job in March that if Jackson didn’t feel signing Anthony was the “right direction to go, then you don’t have to sign him.”
“I had that liberty to make that choice and needed to have that to come and do the job the right way,” said Jackson, who inked a five-year, $60 million deal to run the Knicks.
Jackson ultimately re-signed Anthony to a five-year, $124 million contract.
“He has just touched the surface of his greatness, and I think we have a guy that has a lot more to offer,” Jackson said of the 30-year-old Anthony.
Dolan has a strong relationship with Anthony, and many observers wondered whether he would strong-arm Jackson during negotiations with Anthony over the summer.
…
Jackson addressed Dolan’s meddling with basketball decisions Sunday.
“He has this tremendous competitive drive and wants to really do well,” Jackson said. “In the process, he’s gotten involved in basketball simply because things have happened in this organization that have irritated him.
“Some of the ways that the teams have been handled, some of the decisions that have been made on players that were brought in and were costly to the organization, hampered and handcuffed them to making changes. So he felt obliged and obligated to get involved in it so he could correct the inadequacies or errant direction in which the organization was going. … So he’s been involved in it on some level, and as a result there are some things that have happened where he’s looked like he’s meddled. And I think he had to meddle at some point. He was almost forced to meddle in some situations. That word meddle might be a little bit harsh to even use.”
Well this puts all of that Dolan nonsense to rest. It's Phil's team to do as he pleases.
Knicks president Phil Jackson believes owner James Dolan has been “forced to meddle” in basketball decisions in the past. But Jackson said he has received assurances from Dolan that it won’t happen again as long as he’s running the team.
Jackson said Sunday that he spoke to Dolan about having full autonomy to make basketball decisions before he accepted the job as Knicks president.
“I was point blank and honest with him and said, ‘If I walk into your office or call you up on the telephone and tell you that I want to trade X player who’s an All-Star or Y player who’s the fans’ favorite, if I think it’s the right move, I want you to feel confident that I can do this, will you give me the liberty to do this?’ And he said yes, and that’s really the key,” Jackson said while speaking at The New Yorker Festival in Manhattan.
Jackson’s authority extended to the team’s decision to re-sign Carmelo Anthony, according to the team president. Dolan told Jackson before he took the job in March that if Jackson didn’t feel signing Anthony was the “right direction to go, then you don’t have to sign him.”
“I had that liberty to make that choice and needed to have that to come and do the job the right way,” said Jackson, who inked a five-year, $60 million deal to run the Knicks.
Jackson ultimately re-signed Anthony to a five-year, $124 million contract.
“He has just touched the surface of his greatness, and I think we have a guy that has a lot more to offer,” Jackson said of the 30-year-old Anthony.
Dolan has a strong relationship with Anthony, and many observers wondered whether he would strong-arm Jackson during negotiations with Anthony over the summer.
…
Jackson addressed Dolan’s meddling with basketball decisions Sunday.
“He has this tremendous competitive drive and wants to really do well,” Jackson said. “In the process, he’s gotten involved in basketball simply because things have happened in this organization that have irritated him.
“Some of the ways that the teams have been handled, some of the decisions that have been made on players that were brought in and were costly to the organization, hampered and handcuffed them to making changes. So he felt obliged and obligated to get involved in it so he could correct the inadequacies or errant direction in which the organization was going. … So he’s been involved in it on some level, and as a result there are some things that have happened where he’s looked like he’s meddled. And I think he had to meddle at some point. He was almost forced to meddle in some situations. That word meddle might be a little bit harsh to even use.”
I hate when these MSG press releases comes out and they type the player/coach comments in a way that when the media prints them as quotes. If you read them they sound nothing Like how that person actually speaks during live interviews.
It's not a press release, it's from the NY Post during a press conference - so I'm sure Phil said it in front of dozens others.
It's not a press release, it's from the NY Post during a press conference - so I'm sure Phil said it in front of dozens others.
Are you sure they didn't take that from the official knicks press statement that is given out to the press prior to the press conference?
Here's the link. He said it personally in front of dozens at The New Yorker on Sunday.
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/11691714/phil-jackson-new-york-knicks-james-dolan-meddle-decisions
Anyways...
Yesterday's Toronto game made me realize some more things; without Melo and Calderon on the floor, the team is virtually lost.
Amare was just downright bad yesterday. JR Smith was acceptable (toward's the end). Dalembert was decent. Timmy was struggling. Shump was pretty good. I still think Travis Wear could be a really good player soon, and the Knicks should keep him - he's pretty aware on the court, comes up with steals, rebounds, and is a good shooter. He also understands the triangle too.
Early is disappointing me like crazy, hesitates too much and has poor shot selection.
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/11691714/phil-jackson-new-york-knicks-james-dolan-meddle-decisions
Anyways...
Yesterday's Toronto game made me realize some more things; without Melo and Calderon on the floor, the team is virtually lost.
Amare was just downright bad yesterday. JR Smith was acceptable (toward's the end). Dalembert was decent. Timmy was struggling. Shump was pretty good. I still think Travis Wear could be a really good player soon, and the Knicks should keep him - he's pretty aware on the court, comes up with steals, rebounds, and is a good shooter. He also understands the triangle too.
Early is disappointing me like crazy, hesitates too much and has poor shot selection.
Dude, Early is a 2nd round rookie. He's allowed to be lost at times his 1st year, and it's the preseason learning a style of playing they didn't use in college. This isn't a mid-1st round pick like Shump and THJr. where you expect them to contribute ASAP.
Quincy Acy is expected to be the starting power forward on opening night.Smart decision by the Knicks. Dalembert/Acy are two defenders who worked well together and don't need the ball in their hands to score. Looks like Fisher wanting to commit to improving the D wasn't lip service. Now you wonder who starts at SG, Shumpert or JR Smith?
Kudos to coach Derek Fisher if this holds up. Despite his big contract, Andrea Bargnani has essentially been dead weight, especially on defense. What's more he and Amare Stoudemire had horrible splits while they were on the floor together. Acy isn't going to blow you away with stats, but he could be a seven and seven guy with a block.
Shumpert. Not even a question.
Calderon, Melo, and Shumpert can handle scoring no problem. Shumpert can be explosive offensively and he's very consistent defensively. Even Dalembert is capable of adding 6 points a night. Plus, Shump and Acy play well together too.
JR should back up Melo at the 3.
Calderon, Melo, and Shumpert can handle scoring no problem. Shumpert can be explosive offensively and he's very consistent defensively. Even Dalembert is capable of adding 6 points a night. Plus, Shump and Acy play well together too.
JR should back up Melo at the 3.
One reason might be a new red wine treatment Stoudemire has been trying. For more than six months, the Knicks big man says he has been taking baths in red wine at a spa to help his body rejuvenate.
"The red wine bath is very important to me because it allows me to create more circulation in my red blood cells," Stoudemire said after completing a three-hour practice with the Knicks on Thursday. "Plus, it's very hot, so it's like a hot tub. But it's also the red wine … just kind of soothes the body."
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Hahah wtf?
Despite playing rather poorly, I've seen Amare make some crazy fucking leaps during games and practice.
#ContractSeason
Who wants to place bets on where he'll end up to retire? I say Orlando.
Despite playing rather poorly, I've seen Amare make some crazy fucking leaps during games and practice.
#ContractSeason
Who wants to place bets on where he'll end up to retire? I say Orlando.
Wait, so does the red wine help his cells get crunk? I don't get some of these crazy therapies.One reason might be a new red wine treatment Stoudemire has been trying. For more than six months, the Knicks big man says he has been taking baths in red wine at a spa to help his body rejuvenate.
"The red wine bath is very important to me because it allows me to create more circulation in my red blood cells," Stoudemire said after completing a three-hour practice with the Knicks on Thursday. "Plus, it's very hot, so it's like a hot tub. But it's also the red wine … just kind of soothes the body."
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Calderon
Shump
Melo
Acy
Dalembert
Melos gonna get pentuple teamed…
Leaving Calderon and Shump open is an awful idea. Even Dalembert is capable of making a decent short range shot.
Jr coming off the bench makes a lot of sense. He plays well with Shump and Melo so he can sub for either and he's thrived as a sixth man 2 seasons ago.
Calderon
Shump
Melo
Acy
Dalembert
Melos gonna get pentuple teamed…
Leaving Calderon and Shump open is an awful idea. Even Dalembert is capable of making a decent short range shot.
:lol:
you understand that Shump shot below 40% last season and for his career as well as ~33% from 3? Having Shump take long Js or putting the ball on the floor with his terrible dribble is kinda exactly what you want the Knicks to do.
Calderon
Shump
Melo
Acy
Dalembert
Melos gonna get pentuple teamed…
Leaving Calderon and Shump open is an awful idea. Even Dalembert is capable of making a decent short range shot.
:lol:
you understand that Shump shot below 40% last season and for his career as well as ~33% from 3? Having Shump take long Js or putting the ball on the floor with his terrible dribble is kinda exactly what you want the Knicks to do.
I think he'll be a used as a cutter mostly but yeah I hope he can maintain some sort of midrange game. If not JR and Tim will definitely take his minutes.
With Tim Jr you have to think Shump is on the block..
Yea, The FO didn't seem to like him even before they knew Tim could play. I think some team is gonna get him for cheap.
With Tim Jr you have to think Shump is on the block..
Yea, The FO didn't seem to like him even before they knew Tim could play. I think some team is gonna get him for cheap.
And they'd still he paying too much because hes fucking garbage.
But i think the new coaching staff thinks shump will be a better player if hes cutting and catching the ball in motion. This probably would make him a better player (because everytime he tries to initiate something with the ball its a disaster) but he'd still be garbage.
is this even legit? wtfOne reason might be a new red wine treatment Stoudemire has been trying. For more than six months, the Knicks big man says he has been taking baths in red wine at a spa to help his body rejuvenate.
"The red wine bath is very important to me because it allows me to create more circulation in my red blood cells," Stoudemire said after completing a three-hour practice with the Knicks on Thursday. "Plus, it's very hot, so it's like a hot tub. But it's also the red wine … just kind of soothes the body."
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The way Shumpert played his rookie year in a motion offense (D'Antoni) should be a potential guideline to what he could do in the triangle. Attacking the basket off cuts/off the dribble, he has the potential to be an effective player on O.With Tim Jr you have to think Shump is on the block..
Yea, The FO didn't seem to like him even before they knew Tim could play. I think some team is gonna get him for cheap.
And they'd still he paying too much because hes fucking garbage.
But i think the new coaching staff thinks shump will be a better player if hes cutting and catching the ball in motion. This probably would make him a better player (because everytime he tries to initiate something with the ball its a disaster) but he'd still be garbage.
Which 11-time championship coach said this about Andrea Bargnani?
http://espn.go.com/nba/preview2014/story/_/id/11654375/nba-phil-jackson-point-view-new-york-knicks
LOL. A little late for that in his career, don't you think?
If Andrea Bargnani's initial season in New York was a disappointment, I believe he'll thrive in the triangle. The 3-point shot is a bit out of his range, but from 20 feet and in, Andrea is a deadly shooter. And those are the kinds of shots that the offense will generate for him. Still, there are two aspects of his offense that he has to work on. Because he only approaches the rim in straight lines, he needs to develop some kind of change-of-direction move with the ball – perhaps a crossover dribble. Also, he's a finger-roller, not a dunker. Could he have small hands? Or does he just need to be more aggressive?
http://espn.go.com/nba/preview2014/story/_/id/11654375/nba-phil-jackson-point-view-new-york-knicks
LOL. A little late for that in his career, don't you think?
SOME kind of move is needed for him. Could be a spin move, could be a crossover, could be a trade to the Nets. Just saying.
"Yeah, absolutely," Smith said when asked if he has had to make a conscious effort to play differently. "I mean, believe it or not, being the type of player I've been, it's a struggle. I'm not going to lie.
"Trying to think about the rest of the team over myself or my scoring is something that I never really had to do before," Smith continued. "I've always been in a situation to score, [now I'm] in position to take my time and let the game come and let my teammates succeed more than myself, I think that's the ultimate win."
/snicker
Can we not turn this into a shit on the Knicks thread? Keep that in the main OT.
Wait, talking about a player with a history of being a fuckwit is shitting on the Knicks?
Can we not turn this into a shit on the Knicks thread? Keep that in the main OT.
Wait, talking about a player with a history of being a fuckwit is shitting on the Knicks?
It has nothing to do with JR Smith. The general tone tends to shift in the direction of pointless Knick shit talking, which I've always been okay with, it just has nothing to do with the thread.
