That shit right there is why Durant joined the Warriors and why Lebron went to Miami. This entire focus on a small slice of a player's career while ignoring everything else is why the NBA got fucked up.
Beating a great Spurs team in the WCF in 2012 to make it to the Finals and again in 2016 is a bigger accomplishment than losing to a 73-win Warriors team you had no business being competitive with.
Beating a great Spurs team in the WCF in 2012 to make it to the Finals and again in 2016 is a bigger accomplishment than losing to a 73-win Warriors team you had no business being competitive with.
You can put that straw man in the garbage where it belongs lol
And let's not act like Wade wasn't instrumental in recruiting Lebron and Bosh to Miami. He's as culpable in that as anyone.
And let's not act like Wade wasn't instrumental in recruiting Lebron and Bosh to Miami. He's as culpable in that as anyone.
Wade had/has better handles and is a better passer but I think Durant is better or at least equal to everything else including defensively.
Durant, for me.
Durant, for me.
I don't even think Durant is at his prime yet... he legit can get better on D and become better at passing, which given his freak measurables is scary as fuck.
He's in his prime and has been great when healthy every year after his rookie season.
He was great defensively and a really good passer in OKC too.
People out here acting like his career started this year.
He was great defensively and a really good passer in OKC too.
People out here acting like his career started this year.
By KingGondo Go To PostHe's in his prime and has been great when healthy every year after his rookie season.
He was great defensively and a really good passer in OKC too.
People out here acting like his career started this year.
his last season in OKC is where he really turned the corner defensively. Been building on that momentum while still being ridiculous on offense ever since.
By KingGondo Go To PostHe's in his prime and has been great when healthy every year after his rookie season.
He was great defensively and a really good passer in OKC too.
People out here acting like his career started this year.
Gondo what are your honest feelings when you see your old mans out here avg 35 in the finals?
I feel like he was always underrated on defense. Guys like Ibaka and Perk (lol) got more of the credit for our defensive play during the Brooks years, but he was always around the ball at the rim, contesting, getting blocks, and he's an excellent defensive rebounder.
By Smokey Go To PostGondo what are your honest feelings when you see your old mans out here avg 35 in the finals?I've hardly watched the playoffs since we got bounced. The fact that he's dominating is unsurprising.
I guess it's mainly just disappointing but that also includes me as a fan of competitive basketball. His decision made the playoffs terrible.
Playoffs haven't been interesting to me since round 1 of 2014. all those game 7 series were crazy. ever since then it's been bopping after bopping.
now i just watch for the storylines, competitively there's only two realistic choices.
now i just watch for the storylines, competitively there's only two realistic choices.
By s y Go To PostHoly shit sunhi
This is creepy af to me
I"m not even sure why it was a debate. Dwayne was great. 2nd best SG in the league for a decade. Pure winner. Did amazing things and will be a celebrated player when it's all said and done. His contributions to the olympic team were considerable, too.
But KD is just ahead of him in every category.
I think Dwayne is probably the better leader. But that's about it.
But KD is just ahead of him in every category.
I think Dwayne is probably the better leader. But that's about it.
But KD is just ahead of him in every category.How? Prime Wade is a better defender, passer and playmaker. Also has the better post game.
Wade's on better defensive teams and has better defensive metrics. KD is the better scorer/shooter and rebounder(because he's fucking 7ft). That's about it.
Durant has become an elite defender and I'd argue he's better than Wade in that regard now, too.
And playmaker? For himself or others? Cause those are two very different things.
And playmaker? For himself or others? Cause those are two very different things.
Durant has become and elite defender on a team that was already elite defensively, I'm sorry but I don't care about that. I'd be amazed if he wasn't able to shine defensviely as a 7ft wing player on a team that was historicall great on both sides of the ball without him. Javale Mcgee is a decent defender on Golden State too.
Dwyane was elite on some dogshit teams with Jermaine Oneal and Michael Beasley.
Dwyane was elite on some dogshit teams with Jermaine Oneal and Michael Beasley.
And playmaker? For himself or others? Cause those are two very different things.For others. Both he and KD are some of the best shot creators to play but Dwyane's passing far outweigh's KD's shot making ability.
By reilo Go To PostDurant was an elite defender last year as well, so I am not sorry that you're wrong.How are we judging this? OKC was 12th in defensive efficiency last season and 8th in the post season.
KD posted a .9 DBPM, was that elite?
Was it his 104 DRTG?
By s y Go To PostHow are we judging this? OKC was 12th in defensive efficiency last season.Yea, how are we judging this?
By s y Go To PostDwyane was elite on some dogshit teams with Jermaine Oneal and Michael Beasley.Oh.
By reilo Go To PostSame. 2009 Heat were 13th in DRtg. I'm glad we agree that you are wrong.They were 12th. and the 2010(lbj joined in 2011), the Heat were 3rd. The 05 Heat were top 10. I'm not sure where you end Wade's prime but I stop at 2012 and I don't know if you want me to include those years as well because LBJ gets all the credit for some dumb reason.
Even pre LBJ, Wade posted a DBPM below 1.0, once. This year on the 73 win Warriors, KD has posted a DBPM above 1.0 for the second time in his career.
They were 13th according to stats.nba.com http://stats.nba.com/teams/advanced/#!?sort=DEF_RATING&dir=-1&Season=2008-09&SeasonType=Regular%20Season
LBJ joined for the 2011 season.
And Thunder had a couple of seasons being Top 5 in DRtg as well: 2013 and 2014 -- You know, the year Durant won MVP.
And everyone knows individual DBPM is complete trash. Kibner, get in here.
LBJ joined for the 2011 season.
And Thunder had a couple of seasons being Top 5 in DRtg as well: 2013 and 2014 -- You know, the year Durant won MVP.
And everyone knows individual DBPM is complete trash. Kibner, get in here.
Using BBallRef and the Hollingerstat page I don't know which site is more accurate.
By reilo Go To PostThey were 13th according to stats.nba.com http://stats.nba.com/teams/advanced/#!?sort=DEF_RATING&dir=-1&Season=2008-09&SeasonType=Regular%20SeasonSo who has more teams with better defense and the better defensive metrics? that still looks to be Wade. Again, I don't know what year you want to use as the end date for Wade's prime.
LBJ joined for the 2011 season.
And Thunder had a couple of seasons being Top 5 in DRtg as well: 2013 and 2014 – You know, the year Durant won MVP.
And everyone knows individual DBPM is complete trash. Kibner, get in here.
By s y Go To PostHow? Prime Wade is a better defender, passer and playmaker. Also has the better post game.He's not a better defender. Durant is legitimately guarding 1 - 5 at the moment. And doing so at an elite level.
Wade's on better defensive teams and has better defensive metrics. KD is the better scorer/shooter and rebounder(because he's fucking 7ft). That's about it.
playmaker is entirely debatable. Both don't really run an offense like a point guard, they create shots for others by their own gravity.
And both are good, with out being great, passers.
And while dwyane did/does have a very good post game (best post game on any team he's been on), so does KD.
It's really not a shot at Wade. It's just fair dues to KD.
By s y Go To PostUsing BBallRef and the Hollingerstat page I don't know which site is more accurate.Considering Durant is 28 I am comparing him to Wade pre-LBJ/Bosh.
So who has more teams with better defense and the better defensive metrics? that still looks to be Wade. Again, I don't know what year you want to use as the end date for Wade's prime.
Not only that, but you haven't explained how the Heat were 8th in DRtg in 2008 when Wade only played 46 games.
Also, Kobe has been voted to like 12 All-Defensive Teams (9x First, 3x Second) and he stopped playing defense after 2006 lol.
He's not a better defender. Durant is legitimately guarding 1 - 5 at the moment. And doing so at an elite level.Absolutely disagree with this. Kevin Durant can not guard point guards or 2 guards. Don't let help defense highlights fool you.
And both are good, with out being great, passers.Wade is and was a great passer. He's been praised for his passing ability from his rookie season man. LIke, what??
And while dwyane did/does have a very good post game (best post game on any team he's been on), so does KD.Stats.NBA only has sats for the past two seasons but according to them, KD has never posted up for more than 8% of his possessions. Hobbled old Wade relies on it more so his %s are higher but I'm not sure how great KD's post game is if he barely uses it.
Considering Durant is 28 I am comparing him to Wade pre-LBJ/Bosh.That's how good he was on defense in those 46 games.
Not only that, but you haven't explained how the Heat were 8th in DRtg in 2008 when Wade only played 46 games.
Move that clickbait over to the other thread... game time in an hour.
Ty Lue talking about making no lineup changes and saying Cavs can play with GS at a high pace is much more interesting to me.
Ty Lue talking about making no lineup changes and saying Cavs can play with GS at a high pace is much more interesting to me.
Move that clickbait over to the other thread… game time in an hour.
Ty Lue talking about making no lineup changes and saying Cavs can play with GS at a high pace is much more interesting to me.
They are fine.
Pierce/Chauncey/Jalen are shitting on LeBron on the "tired" thing, They saying on ESPN Pregame he needs to do more like get in the paint and defend because Durant is neutralizing his numbers.
Ouch.
Ouch.
By pilonv1 Go To PostWouldn't be at all surprised if they came out firing early at home and hold a lead to take this oneWho, Golden State or Cavs? Because I can't see any argument that says Cavs can. They're actually scored a decent amount in the 1st half, they cannot stop Golden State from doing the same. And God help them if Klay continues his scoring or Draymond stays out of foul trouble... Cavs just don't have enough weapons, and the weapons they have around LeBron are shit defenders/rotating on PnRs. I think if they slow it down and goon it up they'd have a better shot, but Lue isn't subscribing to that.
The Cavs have nothing but weapons offensively, just all of those dudes are literally 1 way players. Let's not pretend this Cavs team isn't stacked with offensive talent all of a sudden.
If Bron plans on sending Dahntay Jones to goon on Draymond and get him suspended, have Channing Frye dive into Durant's knees and JR Smith invade Klay's landing zones, this is the time.
EDIT: The thing I don't get is Lue's stubborness in that he said he's not really going to change the gameplan offensively, or the pace. Then what he fuck are you going to do to win? I'd hope they'd change something on D but there's not much you can do except change the PnR assignments (maybe use Tristan Thompson on Durant more?), but he hasn't seemed to want to do that.
By Doomsayer Go To PostThe Cavs have nothing but weapons offensively, just all of those dudes are literally 1 way players. Let's not pretend this Cavs team isn't stacked with offensive talent all of a sudden.It's talent that gets completely negated against this team, and it starts with Tristan Thompson. Best PnR defender/rebounder for the Cavs and he's been invisible, literally getting balled off the court.
EDIT: The thing I don't get is Lue's stubborness in that he said he's not really going to change the gameplan offensively, or the pace. Then what he fuck are you going to do to win? I'd hope they'd change something on D but there's not much you can do except change the PnR assignments (maybe use Tristan Thompson on Durant more?), but he hasn't seemed to want to do that.
Definitely holding and grabbing alot are the Cavs, that much is expected. Now will GS get shook like last year?
EDIT: Ok that's a weird foul to call on Curry considering the physicality.
EDIT: Ok that's a weird foul to call on Curry considering the physicality.
If you have tickets on the baseline don't you have to stay seated? Guy standing in an NWO shirt is triggering me.
By s y Go To PostCavs…. are trying to out run the Warriors?
Stupid
... JR what the hell are you doing? 1-on-2 break and you foul Steph?
By s y Go To PostCavs…. are trying to out run the Warriors?something something We don't need to slow down we've played this way all year SOMETHING.