By Random Ass Username Go To Posthttps://www.facebook.com/detrick.d.green/videos/1923574087715316/Looks like some southern shit... ain't enough black people in Seattle to make a video like this
Why you letting your bros get worked like this Blackace?
By DY_nasty Go To Postim kinda sorta leaning towards agreeing
i watched about 20 minutes of it on the twitch stream. the chat running while all this was going just made it even more traumatizing tbh
Honestly it pushed me closer too “why shouldn’t 16 year old be able to vote?”
Honestly I had this discussion with someone yesterday about how 18 year olds got the vote via the logic that they could go to Nam and die for their country but couldn't vote, total injustice. High schoolers die for their country too. /shrug
By Random Ass Username Go To PostHonestly I had this discussion with someone yesterday about how 18 year olds got the vote via the logic that they could go to Nam and die for their country but couldn't vote, total injustice. High schoolers die for their country too. /shrugHighschoolers don't die for their country. They die because of fucked politics. We can finger point what generation that is all day.
But they aren't dieing for their country. But because of it.
Nah they're dying for their country here, for adults. Might as well give them the vote, would also mean more pressure to actually fund education.
By Fenderputty Go To PostI’m not sure that distinction should really matter anyway.It's a pretty big difference.
By giririsss Go To PostIt's a pretty big difference.
It is. I’m still not sure it should matter. If you’re smart enough to understand bad policy leads to your death why shouldn’t you be able to affect policy? The 18 year old limit is arbitrary. We use the “dying for your country” age as a comparable but that’s an arbitrary age as well. It’s not like every 60 year old is wise and votes intelligently, quite the opposite.
Interestingly enough I reflexively reacted the opposite way at first. The more I think about it the more I realize that’s just what I’m used too. The again I also realize there has to be some age limit / line in the sand.
Something kinda funny considering
By Fenderputty Go To PostI think it's a huge change in how you're viewed and what's expected of you in society. At 18, your'e an adult (and at least in Australia) you have every right the same as an adult. It's also when you go to adult jail instead of juvenile prison.
It is. I’m still not sure it should matter. If you’re smart enough to understand bad policy leads to your death why shouldn’t you be able to affect policy? The 18 year old limit is arbitrary. We use the “dying for your country” age as a comparable but that’s an arbitrary age as well. It’s not like every 60 year old is wise and votes intelligently, quite the opposite.
Interestingly enough I reflexively reacted the opposite way at first. The more I think about it the more I realize that’s just what I’m used too. The again I also realize there has to be some age limit / line in the sand.
Something kinda funny considering
You're also typically finished highschool and started on your post-parental protected life. You've left the nest.
At 16 you're still very much in the nest. You're not in main society. You're not working full time to put a roof over your head. You're not studying at college by choice. etc etc.
There are going to be exceptions, i'm sure we can find them easily enough. But as a generalisation, I'd struggle to believe otherwise.
And those are important things to start doing before you start voting on policy and politicians that change the national scope of everyone's life.
But I also live in a country with mandatory voting. Which i'm also sure changes how things are done.
i think it's easy to point the finger at the baby boomers generation, particularly in america, for being one of the most greedy hypocritical and world/society destroying generations we've ever seen. And they're not relenting on that path even now. But even if you lowered the vote to 16yo's, i'm not sure how many would even enrol in america.
Don't get me wrong, i'm firmly of the believe america needs significant political reform, and an attitudinal shift in political thinking. But i'm not sure letting 16yo's vote is the response.
By Fenderputty Go To PostHonestly it pushed me closer too “why shouldn’t 16 year old be able to vote?”like that's really any better? lol
I’m a firm believer in allowing anyone to be able to vote, regardless of age. I’d probably set the limit at the first year of schooling however, so that they have the opportunity to be taught about what voting is.
By FortuneFaded Go To PostI’m a firm believer in allowing anyone to be able to vote, regardless of age. I’d probably set the limit at the first year of schooling however, so that they have the opportunity to be taught about what voting is.It's proven that kids just don't understand concepts like that until their teens at best.
But you're not really giving the child a vote. You're giving their parents an extra vote.
By giririsss Go To PostBut you're not really giving the child a vote. You're giving their parents an extra vote.
Because 80% of the women eligible to vote are married and can only double or annul their husband's votes.
You aren't going to come up with an argument that wouldn't have already been used to try to stop women from being able to vote.
By FortuneFaded Go To PostSo you're saying women have the same mental capacity as a 6yo?
Because 80% of the women eligible to vote are married and can only double or annul their husband's votes.
You aren't going to come up with an argument that wouldn't have already been used to try to stop women from being able to vote.
By giririsss Go To PostSo you're saying women have the same mental capacity as a 6yo?Are you saying when you were a child/teenager, you blindly did what your parents wanted you to?
I have always felt that if you are going to 'coming of age' during the next election cycle, then you should be able to have a vote.
And if you're likely to die in the next 20 years, you shouldn't be allowed to vote on things like Brexit
By giririsss Go To PostAt 16 you're still very much in the nest. You're not in main society. You're not working full time to put a roof over your head. You're not studying at college by choice. etc etc.
the vast majority of kids in my country are doing that and i feel like it's doing wonders for their development. after the 9th grade (15yo) most kids are doing an apprenticeship where they work in the jobs of their choosing for 3.5-4 days a week and go to school for the rest of the week. They get a decent salary and start to live on their own or with friends. after your apprenticeship there are plenty of state financed options to get further education full or part time . i did an apprenticeship in IT and moved out before turning 15 and have been paying rent with my money ever since. By the time some of you graduate college we've been working in the real world for almost a decade.
By s y Go To Postthe fuck
it's a great system. South Korea recently copied it because they liked it so much.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_education_system
The student is an employee of the company from the beginning and receives tasks that are according to his growing abilities. If a company is willing to make an employment-contract with the student after his dual education time, the company gets an employee who knows the company's workflow. The student can also benefit from the knowledge about born hard and soft skills of more experienced co-workers. The student develops under real conditions. Therefore, he can see if he is not able or willing to do this job quite early and not only after exams. Furthermore, the student earns money from the beginning.
you learn way earlier who you really are and want to be and can change paths easily and have a job to fall back on at 20.
By Randolph Freelander Go To PostI'm for 20-somethings voting. They should at least think about it.I'm fine with 18 here for the country wide voting and 16 for communal politics. I think 16 is a good enough age to have enough sense regarding your city/state.
What I would rather change is, that every party programme would be delievered to everyone who's able to vote.
It's astounding how little people know about the actual programm of a party, compared to some bits here and there that they drop within interviews and talkshows and shit like that.
Kids voting is pretty dumb - really a big stretch to apply that to women trying to get the right to vote
The average adult is an idiot, but the average kid is worse. People think playing to the lowest common denominator is bad now... lol
Also SK can kick rocks. They make western corruption look dignified and responsible 😂
The average adult is an idiot, but the average kid is worse. People think playing to the lowest common denominator is bad now... lol
Also SK can kick rocks. They make western corruption look dignified and responsible 😂
By DY_nasty Go To PostThe average adult is an idiot, but the average kid is worse. People think playing to the lowest common denominator is bad now… lol
The difference between a 16 year old and an 18 years old is negligible. They're not anymore "out of the nest" in a vast majority of the situations. Like I said ... a line needs to be drawn somewhere, but I see 18 as an arbitrary line with little difference than one drawn at 16.
By Fenderputty Go To PostThe difference between a 16 year old and an 18 years old is negligible. They're not anymore "out of the nest" in a vast majority of the situations. Like I said … a line needs to be drawn somewhere, but I see 18 as an arbitrary line with little difference than one drawn at 16.It's significant enough that you don't just roll it back because why the hell not imo
By DY_nasty Go To PostIt's significant enough that you don't just roll it back because why the hell not imo
My reasoning was a little more than "why the hell not", but I suppose not by much. I'm also basing this off my personal experience at that age. I don't think I was anymore capable of being a responsible voter at 18 than at 16. All of my influence was from my parents or my friends (by extension their parents) at that time. These kids that have been affected by our gun policies are more "woke" to some extent than I was. At least it seems that way.
Seeing old men that run our country in a room grilling Zuck while havinng zero understanding of what the topic is even about just made me think, "Jesus christ society is advancing fast enough that the old and wise are really just old. Need some newer blood"
LIke I get your stance. It's feels like a slippery slope which is why I said a line has to be drawn somewhere.
By DY_nasty Go To PostKids voting is pretty dumb - really a big stretch to apply that to women trying to get the right to voteIntelligence is not a requirement for voting.
The average adult is an idiot, but the average kid is worse. People think playing to the lowest common denominator is bad now… lol
By FortuneFaded Go To PostIntelligence is not a requirement for voting.Never said it was - which is kinda why I want to flip this now. We've got idiots already so what real reason is there for letting juniors in high school into all this other than "why not"?
I firmly believe kids generally ain't shit ever when it comes to this sort of thing lol. It's just don't understand what the value added. Comparing minors to all women or all minorities when it comes to voting rights is a hard swerve right from the start too. They'll get to vote eventually. They can participate in all sorts of work in support of a party as well. So why?
By DY_nasty Go To PostI firmly believe kids generally ain't shit ever when it comes to this sort of thing lol. It's just don't understand what the value added.
Until schools were being shot up on the reg I would have agreed. The youth perspective on things like Net Neutrality wouldn't be bad either. In the end the entire demo is rather unmotivated to vote so I just don't think you cause much, if any, harm in giving 16 years old who actually give a shit about voting the ability to do so. You may even enrich the political process for those who choose to do so and those around them.
By DY_nasty Go To PostSo why?Why should anyone be denied a vote? America was founded on that principle. It's up to you to justify why they shouldn't, not why they should. If it's due to a group being less intelligent than the populus in general, then by that logic you should want to deny working class the right to vote because they are less intelligent on average.
In my home state junior year was US History and Senior year was Econ/Government. Most of my peers probably knew more about Us politics and government at that time than they do now tbh. Voting would be great applied knowledge and getting people to actually research and know shit before blindingly going to the polls would be fuckin nice. Also all this "they don't have any life experience" stuff, have y'all met some trust fund kids as adults? A bunch of my pals were already working while going to school and earning good grades while some people do nothing but sit on their ass and just inherit wealth, and they get to vote. A lot of the reasons to cut 16/17 year olds out aren't really much of an argument.
By Fenderputty Go To PostUntil schools were being shot up on the reg I would have agreed. The youth perspective on things like Net Neutrality wouldn't be bad either. In the end the entire demo is rather unmotivated to vote so I just don't think you cause much, if any, harm in giving 16 years old who actually give a shit about voting the ability to do so. You may even enrich the political process for those who choose to do so and those around them.This feels a lot like doing a thing because you can. Are those kids the only people who care about those topics? Will they be able to vote soon anyways? Are we not sitting on a ton of screwed young adults that share the same issues as a whole along with an assortment of others? I don't get the enthusiasm here.
I'm pretty consistent with my everyone sucks take on things, but I just don't even see a full argument for why you should. An age requirement isn't prejudice either.
I'm doing my best not to spam lol for all of this too btw. Voting age of 16 of all things is just.... I'm not sure why the topic even occupies mental space at all. Shit, a kid crying/smiling on TV is good for more votes than a kid at the polls over the same voting anyways.
I'm being a little unfair here but the age of consent is 16 in many states, teens can drive at 16, they can hold a job at 16. If we think they're qualified for all those things, voting seems like just another one that should be updated to me. Besides like I mentioned earlier in my high school US History was Junior year, Gov/Econ senior year. Most of my adult peers probably knew more in those two years that relates to US Politics and voting than they do now. I wish I was being an asshole about this but I doubt it.
By Random Ass Username Go To PostI'm being a little unfair here but the age of consent is 16 in many states, teens can drive at 16, they can hold a job at 16. If we think they're qualified for all those things, voting seems like just another one that should be updated to me. Besides like I mentioned earlier in my high school US History was Junior year, Gov/Econ senior year. Most of my adult peers probably knew more in those two years that relates to US Politics and voting than they do now. I wish I was being an asshole about this but I doubt it.If you want to argue that a kid having an income tax to worry about being able to vote, I could roll with that. Or even early voting status or something. But... why? If you want more youth involvement then push that - because it's not the same thing at all. Sliding the voting age back isnt suddenly gonna make people more involved.
Also kids fucking suck lol. Some of you guys must've had some great childhood friends and high school experiences.
I'm not even talking about involvement so much as they should be able to based on a bunch of other criteria. /shrug
Also kids fucking suck lol. Some of you guys must've had some great childhood friends and high school experiences.I hate adults more. We're the ones letting children continue to be slaughtered at school.
By DY_nasty Go To PostSliding the voting age back isnt suddenly gonna make people more involved.If more people vote then, yes by definition more people are involved in the process. I'm not sure how you can even contest this. I half agree with you too. For all of you're "Why though" comments you haven't really given much of a "Why not" accept, people suck though.
By Fenderputty Go To PostIf more people vote then, yes by definition more people are involved in the process. I'm not sure how you can even contest this. I half agree with you too. For all of you're "Why though" comments you haven't really given much of a "Why not" accept, people suck though.Are you then OK with no separate laws for minors?
By Fenderputty Go To PostIf more people vote then, yes by definition more people are involved in the process. I'm not sure how you can even contest this. I half agree with you too. For all of you're "Why though" comments you haven't really given much of a "Why not" accept, people suck though.Hey I'm just saying changing the set up in place requires a better argument than what yal got by a lot and you've already said as much too. For your argument specifically its pretty much wholly misdirected - you could lower the voting age by moving mountains or address the myriad of issues regarding trash voter turnout. Why consider the absolute hardest path of resistance to what's most likely one of the smallest benefits? Voting online being reapproached makes more sense for your concerns specifically.
By FortuneFaded Go To PostWhy should anyone be denied a vote? America was founded on that principle. It's up to you to justify why they shouldn't, not why they should. If it's due to a group being less intelligent than the populus in general, then by that logic you should want to deny working class the right to vote because they are less intelligent on average.I get what you're going for but waiting a few years to vote is not the same as .....why America was founded
My personal opinion is kids suck and lowering the requirement adds nothing of significance to a system full of holes and issues much bigger than adding more things that suck. You're not prohibited from voting forever because you're 16. If you want to keep weighing age against religion/sex/gender/ethnicity/race then go ahead but I'm going to respond only in cat gifs
By giririsss Go To PostI was working since i was 12. I can confidently say i shouldn't have been voting then.I would say you shouldn't vote now.
Think some of y'all just shitting on teens to shit on teens forgetting how many "adults" are absolute fucknuggets too.
Anyway I see no one has any real rebuttals to my points just "Teens suck" and "well I worked even younger than 16." Y'all aint even fucking trying.
Anyway I see no one has any real rebuttals to my points just "Teens suck" and "well I worked even younger than 16." Y'all aint even fucking trying.
By Random Ass Username Go To PostThink some of y'all just shitting on teens to shit on teens forgetting how many "adults" are absolute fucknuggets too.High school teenagers are factually the worst people in the world
Not to me. The worst people are adults who allow absolute bullshit to continue like the slaughter of children due to either complacency or "it's too complicated" or hell pick anything else. Adults are pieces of shit. Teens have an excuse their brain is still developing. Adults past mid twenties really have no excuses to continue to be absolute dog shit.
This is why Republicans are winners and Democrats are losers. Democrats know that younger people are more likely to vote Democrat and yet you won't let them vote whereas Republicans know that black people won't vote for them and so they try to stop them from voting