I came up with what I feel is a decent idea:
The idea of "Crucible Bonds." Essentially what a crucible bond is, is that in order to use pinnacle weapons in crucible, you have to use a token which makes it useable for x amount of time. You have to apply this "buff" to each weapon, so it'll be 3x as costly to use 3 crucible weapons.
Essentially the benefit of this idea is:
A. No need for nerfs. The weapons are acknowledged as powerful. And get infinite use for PVE.
B. The economics at play make using these weapons a strategic thing. You don't want to waste bonds just to sweat in casual play and make it a miserable experience for other players (as is currently happening). You want to save bonds for the tougher teams in competitive playlists such as comp or trials.
C. Discourages account recoveries. Maybe you pay handsomly for a not forgotten, but you'll legitimately need to be good enough to have acquired it to commonly have enough bonds to use it for certain activities. Otherwise, you're going to have to keep paying people to earn you bonds.
Difficulty with this: Having quick reaction to the bond economy and hopefully launching the system in a good state. Bonds should be rare such that basically only streamers would have enough to comfortably use them in quickplay.
I also suggest tiered pricing for bonds. Legend guns: (Basically only not forgotten at this point) = 2 bonds to equip. Fabled guns (lunas howl, mountain top, recluse) cost 1 each.
The idea of "Crucible Bonds." Essentially what a crucible bond is, is that in order to use pinnacle weapons in crucible, you have to use a token which makes it useable for x amount of time. You have to apply this "buff" to each weapon, so it'll be 3x as costly to use 3 crucible weapons.
Essentially the benefit of this idea is:
A. No need for nerfs. The weapons are acknowledged as powerful. And get infinite use for PVE.
B. The economics at play make using these weapons a strategic thing. You don't want to waste bonds just to sweat in casual play and make it a miserable experience for other players (as is currently happening). You want to save bonds for the tougher teams in competitive playlists such as comp or trials.
C. Discourages account recoveries. Maybe you pay handsomly for a not forgotten, but you'll legitimately need to be good enough to have acquired it to commonly have enough bonds to use it for certain activities. Otherwise, you're going to have to keep paying people to earn you bonds.
Difficulty with this: Having quick reaction to the bond economy and hopefully launching the system in a good state. Bonds should be rare such that basically only streamers would have enough to comfortably use them in quickplay.
I also suggest tiered pricing for bonds. Legend guns: (Basically only not forgotten at this point) = 2 bonds to equip. Fabled guns (lunas howl, mountain top, recluse) cost 1 each.
Comp should be obliterated.
OHK cheese shit thats not a sniper head shot or a super right at you should fuck off.
Heavy is around too damn much.
Flinch needs to fuck off.
Bloom needs to fuck off.
Weapons should have quest lines not lazy ass shit where they want you to reach a rank in a broken playlist that's not an actual ladder and RNG is even in whether your team is competent or not.
Grenades and class abilities shouldn't be on such slow fucking timers.
Countdown should have never made it into the game.
Hunter grenades need an overhaul.
Shadowshot needs to not be shittier than a fucking titan grenade.
Supers should go back to being able to be taken out with precision shots especially from a sniper or shotty.
Roaming supers shouldn't have a fuckload of armor while people doing say golden gun are fucking mince meat.
This is just shit off the top of my head when it comes to PVPs crap.
OHK cheese shit thats not a sniper head shot or a super right at you should fuck off.
Heavy is around too damn much.
Flinch needs to fuck off.
Bloom needs to fuck off.
Weapons should have quest lines not lazy ass shit where they want you to reach a rank in a broken playlist that's not an actual ladder and RNG is even in whether your team is competent or not.
Grenades and class abilities shouldn't be on such slow fucking timers.
Countdown should have never made it into the game.
Hunter grenades need an overhaul.
Shadowshot needs to not be shittier than a fucking titan grenade.
Supers should go back to being able to be taken out with precision shots especially from a sniper or shotty.
Roaming supers shouldn't have a fuckload of armor while people doing say golden gun are fucking mince meat.
This is just shit off the top of my head when it comes to PVPs crap.
I suffer the mostest. I actually do really well these days but it just makes the dumb shit even more apparent since I'm not dying stupid deaths but bullshit.
By Random Ass Username Go To PostI'd just rather the very concept of pinnacle weapons fuck right off.
people would drop this game with the quickness
pinnacle weapons the only thing keeping people around after all the exotics drop
By Dark PhaZe Go To Postpeople would drop this game with the quicknessPeople with pinnacle weapons are the only ones still giving a fuck is more like it. That's why quickplay is nothing but sweats and blowouts. Everyone else is done being target practice for shit they will never grind for 😂
pinnacle weapons the only thing keeping people around after all the exotics drop
Yeah even people who are decent unless you're rolling in a 3/4 stack in comp you're just getting farmed by assholes with the pinnacle weapons too. No point in that thing either.
It's not even limited to comp. Who the fuck gonna grind dozens of hours just to be on a level playing field in pvp? Pinnacle weapons exist just to prop up people who upvoted 'power fantasy' in comment sections. Bungie steered into this and one corner of the community was all in for it. Now it's a problem 😑 okay
would rather chase these try hard guns than keep pounding my head into a wall with exotic rng drops in the raid
People wanna farm others for weeks if not months then wonder where the fuck those people went. They went to play anything else where they don't get obliterated on spawn. They weren't happy just getting weapons every one else can faster. They had to have something else.
By Random Ass Username Go To PostPeople wanna farm others for weeks if not months then wonder where the fuck those people went. They went to play anything else where they don't get obliterated on spawn. They weren't happy just getting weapons every one else can faster. They had to have something else.
so destiny is dead then
cuz every end game activity is try hard--people dont want to fuck with potatoes in raids either
so basically destiny can only survive during those rare expansions where scrubs can farm the new campaign and patrol zones
By Dark PhaZe Go To Postso destiny is dead thennaw just pvp
cuz every end game activity is try hard–people dont want to fuck with potatoes in raids either
so basically destiny can only survive during those rare expansions where scrubs can farm the new campaign and patrol zones
i don't know why they feel like pve styled grinds should apply to pvp at all. and for all the shit they gave trials, comps worse than its ever been in any iteration - while also having those issues bleed into casual play. its beyond quick fix territory too. gotta be an overhaul because they've let too much shit go. from trash game modes to not fixing maps to accommodate 6v6 to matchmaking to legendaries becoming more powerful than exotics
the game only 'kinda' makes sense if you're one of the best of the best and are constantly attached to the meta. if you're a a normal person, which pvp actually centers around, then destiny 2 pvp is just a painful experience unlike any other fps out right now
Even just to stay afloat I gotta get some specific mods, random rolls and my current fav joint in pvp is a weapon I technically did a bit of grinding for, the Last Perdition from Shaxx. Normal people ain't gonna do that just to LIVE in pvp.
Comp is somehow more tolerable than QP, so much so I got to fabled and got the recluse yesterday. Also been using the nade buff with Incendiary Grenade and doing old school angles off it like I'm back in my Halo days. Only thing that really sucks in comp is the gametypes are lol. Countdown is trash, Control with 4 players on huge maps is lol wtf and Survival well, Destiny players love dying so having a pool of lives with randos is a crapshoot.
By Random Ass Username Go To PostI suffer the mostest. I actually do really well these days but it just makes the dumb shit even more apparent since I'm not dying stupid deaths but bullshit.Holy fuck we never finished the friends stuff. You on tonight? We need the Gambit bonus.
Sometimes, I want to pop in and do some pvp or something, but I'm like two or three expansion packs behind and I know my gear just won't let me do anything other than die a whole bunch.
I hit some destiny pvp hell that's like I can hold my own thanks to my weapons but its the most boring shit. Its basically rarely firefights just people trying to OHK each other first.
Hopped on for a second to maybe consider trying to get the mountaintop, since right now might be the easiest given revelry and iron banner...but man, I logged in and went to the tower and I feel like my soul left my body. I just can't with this game atm.
if you liked raids I'd say you could hop in next season, but nah. I'll let you know if they change things up significantly for the next PVE experiences though. Personally I think they should revamp raids. I've been crying about the platform things and "synchronized swimming" being ridiculous for a while now. A lot of the PVE lords seem to think Last wish is the best shit ever though and Bungie only tends to listen to their feedback these days.
By Kibner Go To PostSometimes, I want to pop in and do some pvp or something, but I'm like two or three expansion packs behind and I know my gear just won't let me do anything other than die a whole bunch.
if you liked raids I'd say you could hop in next season, but nah. I'll let you know if they change things up significantly for the next PVE experiences though. Personally I think they should revamp raids. I've been crying about the platform things and "synchronized swimming" being ridiculous for a while now. A lot of the PVE lords seem to think Last wish is the best shit ever though and Bungie only tends to listen to their feedback these days.
Mountaintop is one of those dumbshit things to me that ruins pvp. A bunch of questlines I did/are doing too. Makes people utilize stuff they're not at all good at or take heavy and waste it on grenade launcher kills they may or may not get or camp the invasion portal. The game is only focused on W/L but then at the same time puts in all kinds of bounties, quests and triumphs that mean players are distracted from that purpose with some other agenda. Shits dumb.
Always depressing to see potential wasted by the logic and priorities of the development team. Plus there's shit all going right now. Forest is on its last week. Also forgot to rant about Eva giving out blues for 75 of those essences when you're trying to get a gift from her which include some helmet ornaments. Just still on their shit about not giving things to people.
Bungie definitely has some weird Skill based matchmaking going on in quickplay in spite of whatever lies they're telling DTG on reddit.
By reilo Go To PostThis has become the loneliest support group ever.I prefer to suffer alone with Linkin Park and Simon and Garfunkel playing in the background.
I have it and to be honest everyone is going out of their way to use it already in crucible but my redrix or last perdition with range/rampage is better.
edit: Used to it now been getting it to proc. People are gonna moan so hard about it because all folks do is sit on each other. Meanwhile I love pulses and just being alone so it's a perfect weapon for my playstyle.
edit: Used to it now been getting it to proc. People are gonna moan so hard about it because all folks do is sit on each other. Meanwhile I love pulses and just being alone so it's a perfect weapon for my playstyle.
seems like its going to be a great team shot weapon, tickle damage from an ally will result in someone else that uses the same weapon doing more damage
If a team knows how to team shoot without being all up on each other they'll do real well. Catalyst buffs the nanite damage too. As of now though most people can't understand how to pace shots and really over estimate its range on the bigger maps.
So I got the catalyst for outbreak but you gotta run the heroic like 4 more times one time a week or something for compeltion lol. Also pvp continues to be lol. A game with this much OHK cheese should have never been p2p.
By Random Ass Username Go To PostSo I got the catalyst for outbreak but you gotta run the heroic like 4 more times one time a week or something for compeltion lol. Also pvp continues to be lol. A game with this much OHK cheese should have never been p2p.
you can get it in 3 weeks if you do the keycard nonsense
ive gotta learn how to do it by reset--none of this feels fun to me but I do applaud them going for something different
It's not different, Whisper is the same shit basically. God top tier pvp is the most boring shit, I really fucked myself over. So much OHK nonsense and dudes running away. Tedious as hell.
know the route perfectly and have a great setup but i keep running into fucbois
really starting to associate destiny as the game that makes me LFG with idiots to tackle some annoying goal
really starting to associate destiny as the game that makes me LFG with idiots to tackle some annoying goal
Welcome to the d2 gatekeeping. It's why people get frustrated and go to greener pastures. PVP has become more gatekept boring OHK or gibbed shit as well. Special grenade launchers, Jotunns, OHK snipes, heavy up constantly for Hammerhead, roving gangs of whatever meta weapon. Firefights don't happen, people peak around corners to see if they can just obliterate you in one shot with whatever cheese shit they got going on.
have to study this heroic version like im studying for a test in order to do this and void configuration by reset smhhh
did heroic this morning--may or may not attempt the configuration stuff later, waiting an extra week or two to get the catalyst is no big deal
found that the tractor cannon helps a ton--the recluse is incredibly vicious in combination with it, and yea I used hunter and switched to stompees for platforming section.
found that the tractor cannon helps a ton--the recluse is incredibly vicious in combination with it, and yea I used hunter and switched to stompees for platforming section.
By Random Ass Username Go To PostPhaze what are you rolling with in pvp lately?
depends on my mood, if its a heavy sweat lobby i'll be forced to put on not forgotten/dust rock/wardcliff
but 90% of the time i'm on a bygones and retold tale or recluse, or last word and twilight oath
might be switching bygones with outbreak perfected
i dont have much preference on heavy--most shit in the heavy slot annoys me strangely enough
also I do have arbalest--its great
Controversial opinion time, I feel like pvp would improve immensely without grenade launchers and snipers in the mix.
its crazy how many people on LFG are just trying to scam you
"KWTD"
except you don't. smh
then i jump in another "KWTD " room for heroic zero hour and dude has a friend without a mic who "has not done it before but i've been able to two man it before"
and of course i just waste 20 minutes of my time
i really gotta get back into my mean mode and just leave lobbies right off the bat, aint got time to be suckered into this shit
"KWTD"
except you don't. smh
then i jump in another "KWTD " room for heroic zero hour and dude has a friend without a mic who "has not done it before but i've been able to two man it before"
and of course i just waste 20 minutes of my time
i really gotta get back into my mean mode and just leave lobbies right off the bat, aint got time to be suckered into this shit