By Cleff Go To PostMiggy D saying United want Perisic and are willing to sell Martial for the right offer. Mourinho got his signings spot on last season so I'm willing to give the Perisic deal the benefit of the doubt even though I'm not enthused by it. But selling Martial would be complete madness.Given that docu on Mou after the Euro cup final and what he said about menality, and his weakness being people who dont share his menality, regardless of how good Martial is if he doesnt have it, which he doesnt seem to, and if Mou doesnt trust him, which he doesnt, and Martial shows absolutely no signs of trying to get it, which he hasnt, then I am not sure what we can do with him.
It just becomes a mismatch, he wont play till he gets it, he doesnt seem to want to get it, sell while his price is high.
I love Martial but if he keeps dwelling on the ball when you know he should be knocking it past the defender I'm ok with him being sold.
By FlutterPuffs Go To PostThat's not Wenger.
It wouldn't have been the first time that Mourinho got rid of a very talented youngster in recent memory.
I'd be surprised if United sanction it given the significant investment.
I'd be surprised if United sanction it given the significant investment.
Feel like Liverpool should find some patsy club to 'sign' Martial for 40m then immediately buy him off of them. Perhaps Dortmund would help us out?
By Andrew Go To PostIt wouldn't have been the first time that Mourinho got rid of a very talented youngster in recent memory.He likes Rashford more than any player in the team, that much is for sure, also likes Lingard, seems to like Axel and to an extent Fosu.
I'd be surprised if United sanction it given the significant investment.
Not sure this is a youth thing more a "Martial you are lazy and dont seem to want to change"
By Andrew Go To PostIt wouldn't have been the first time that Mourinho got rid of a very talented youngster in recent memory.A lot of United fans have been frustrated with Martial this season, and it's not like Mou hasnt given him plenty of chances.
I'd be surprised if United sanction it given the significant investment.
Rashford himself had problems playing like how Mou wants him to, but soon 'got' it. Martial however was stuck dwelling on the ball during fast paced counters since the start of the season.
By FlutterPuffs Go To PostI love Martial but if he keeps dwelling on the ball when you know he should be knocking it past the defender I'm ok with him being sold.So you don't love him then.
By n8 dogg Go To PostPlaymaking is the person who creates the most 'plays'. That's Pogba.Right. So I prefer quality over quantity, some people prefer quantity over quality. Which is not to say that Pogba can't create as well as Mata, but his decision-making just isn't consistent enough. It's not rare to see Pogba get lost with meaningless dribbles and passing the ball to the wrong player in specific instances. It's also not rare to see some of the average bums that United has mess up good things that Pogba creates, in his defense.
There's an argument to be made that if you create enough, eventually you'll score anyway.
That's fine, I just prefer Mata.
By Andrew Go To PostIt wouldn't have been the first time that Mourinho got rid of a very talented youngster in recent memory.I'm not sure if you are trying to pin it on Mou for holding Martial back, but United fans that have been paying attention all agree it's Martial holding Martial back. He's had an unwillingness to fight for his spot and plenty of problems off the pitch.
I'd be surprised if United sanction it given the significant investment.
Mou's record is what it is, but in this case it's not all on him.
By Vivalapizza Go To PostSo you don't love him then.
By FlutterPuffs Go To PostA lot of United fans have been frustrated with Martial this season, and it's not like Mou hasnt given him plenty of chances.When Rashford was crap this season, he was given plenty of opportunities - When Martial was crap he was sent straight to the bench and banished for several matches.
Rashford himself had problems playing like how Mou wants him to, but soon 'got' it. Martial however was stuck dwelling on the ball during fast paced counters since the start of the season.
Look at Quadrato struggling. He was sensational from January to April, then his form went to complete shit. I don't think we can revive him in time for the final, so I expect we'll be starting with Dani Alves playing higher up, with Barzagli at RB.
By Bold 2 in One Go To PostWhen Rashford was crap this season, he was given plenty of opportunities - When Martial was crap he was sent straight to the bench and banished for several matches.Rashers was also banished for several matches this season.
Martial was even given the opportunity to lead the line, a position he coveted. Still shit.
Hell, in the last 3 EPL matches it was Martial playing in the middle. A disappointment in all 3 games.
Mourinho's approach to these things is fairly straightforward.
You have to buy in to his way of doing things 100%. If you're not willing to do that, and to do whatever it takes, then that's it. You're gone.
He has sold plenty of talented players before on this basis who have gone on to do well elsewhere.
You have to buy in to his way of doing things 100%. If you're not willing to do that, and to do whatever it takes, then that's it. You're gone.
He has sold plenty of talented players before on this basis who have gone on to do well elsewhere.
Note that I do want Mou to give him a chance still. Martial had a horrid personal issue early in the season and was beset with injuries when it seemed that he finally got it.
Still love him, but if he's sold, I can completely understand why.
Still love him, but if he's sold, I can completely understand why.
You have to wonder how Ozil survived under Mou
or is it a case of Ozil being too talented to get rid of? because his mentality is so shit
or is it a case of Ozil being too talented to get rid of? because his mentality is so shit
I'm not saying that Mourinho is against youth or frustration with Martial this season hasn't been warranted.
It just wouldn't be an unexpected move given his involvement.
It just wouldn't be an unexpected move given his involvement.
By Auto Simeone Go To PostYou have to wonder how Ozil survived under MouOzil was a really hard working player at Madrid.
or is it a case of Ozil being too talented to get rid of? because his mentality is so shit
Wengy gave him too many cuddles.
By FlutterPuffs Go To PostNote that I do want Mou to give him a chance still. Martial had a horrid personal issue early in the season and was beset with injuries when it seemed that he finally got it.I am fine if he stays but also equally fine if he leaves, so long as we find a suitable replacement, I dont think Perisic in Martial out is good business, but Perisic in and a young understudy in, ill do.
Still love him, but if he's sold, I can completely understand why.
By Auto Simeone Go To PostYou have to wonder how Ozil survived under MouBecause Ozil was amazing from day 1 and tried hard when he was young.
or is it a case of Ozil being too talented to get rid of? because his mentality is so shit
By Vivalapizza Go To PostOzil was a really hard working player at Madrid.was just about to type that.
Wengy gave him too many cuddles.
Also helped that he had better people in deep to feed him the ball.
By FlutterPuffs Go To PostRashers was also banished for several matches this season.Lies - Against Spurs and Arsenal, he seemed to be the only player making an effort and actually looked like scoring. Struck the post against Saints and Spurs.
Martial was even given the opportunity to lead the line, a position he coveted. Still shit.
Hell, in the last 3 EPL matches it was Martial playing in the middle. A disappointment in all 3 games.
In the grand scheme of things, we have a potentially world class talent we've invested a lot in vs a man who has a habit of throwing away potential world class talent - I guess that means we can re-buy him in 4 years time for 300 million on top of the 50 we've already spent on the lad - let's face it though, by then Mou will probably be gone. Net gain? I doubt it.
By Auto Simeone Go To PostYou have to wonder how Ozil survived under Mou?
or is it a case of Ozil being too talented to get rid of? because his mentality is so shit
Ozil was one of the most important players in Mou's Madrid. Ghostzil jokes and all.
I don't want Martial to leave, but at this point I can't say I'm going to miss his 7 or whatever many goals he scored this season. If he's not going to grow or contribute like his first season (whatever the reasons for his downfalls) then what's the point in keeping him around.
By Bold 2 in One Go To PostLies - Against Spurs and Arsenal, he seemed to be the only player making an effort and actually looked like scoring. Struck the post against Saints and Spurs.They dont give Good Effort stickers to strikers though.
In the grand scheme of things, we have a potentially world class talent we've invested a lot in vs a man who has a habit of throwing away potential world class talent - I guess that means we can re-buy him in 4 years time for 300 million on top of the 50 we've already spent on the lad - let's face it though, by then Mou will probably be gone. Net gain? I doubt it.
What matters is they score. He didnt.
By Zabojnik Go To PostLook at Quadrato struggling. He was sensational from January to April, then his form went to complete shit. I don't think we can revive him in time for the final, so I expect we'll be starting with Dani Alves playing higher up, with Barzagli at RB.can you imagine if we actually win the final while I'm there
solo imagina
life have given me enough, I don't deserve to see my team win a CL final in the flesh TOO
By Bold 2 in One Go To PostLies - Against Spurs and Arsenal, he seemed to be the only player making an effort and actually looked like scoring. Struck the post against Saints and Spurs.My question is, pragmatically, whether you want him here or not, what is going to happen? I am kind of just bowing to the facts that the only way he stays here even in the medium turn is if he changes his attitude, which is all down to him, its not a case of being too good to be sold, just a case of this is how Mou works.
In the grand scheme of things, we have a potentially world class talent we've invested a lot in vs a man who has a habit of throwing away potential world class talent - I guess that means we can re-buy him in 4 years time for 300 million on top of the 50 we've already spent on the lad - let's face it though, by then Mou will probably be gone. Net gain? I doubt it.
Genuinely cannot believe some of you would be okay with Martial being sold.
It's not like we're blessed with countless attacking talents. He was our best player the season before last, he's 21, he's clearly talented...bet some of you were those knobs that wanted Ronaldo sold back in the day.
Just cos Mourinho doesn't fancy him? Well Mourinho just finished 6th. Fuck does he know.
It's not like we're blessed with countless attacking talents. He was our best player the season before last, he's 21, he's clearly talented...bet some of you were those knobs that wanted Ronaldo sold back in the day.
Just cos Mourinho doesn't fancy him? Well Mourinho just finished 6th. Fuck does he know.
By Vivalapizza Go To PostGenuinely cannot believe some of you would be okay with Martial being sold.Well the other choice is get rid of Mourinho
It's not like we're blessed with countless attacking talents. He was our best player the season before last, he's 21, he's clearly talented…bet some of you were those knobs that wanted Ronaldo sold back in the day.
Just cos Mourinho doesn't fancy him? Well Mourinho just finished 6th. Fuck does he know.
Which personally im not hugely against either, still not taken to him
By Grizzled Cola Go To PostWell the other choice is get rid of MourinhoI was going to say...those aren't the only two choices, but sadly with Mourinho...they probably are.
Which personally im not hugely against either, still not taken to him
He should be flexible enough to work with players who don't see 100% eye to eye with him. I think he actually mentioned something about this in that interview he did with Ferdinand.
By FlutterPuffs Go To PostThey dont give Good Effort stickers to strikers though.And Rashford didn't score in the last 3 games either, should he be sold too since that is the metric of talent and worth in this the lowest scoring Manchester United team since records began.
What matters is they score. He didnt.
By Vivalapizza Go To PostI was going to say…those aren't the only two choices, but sadly with Mourinho…they probably are.I think he's changing? Could be just me though.
He should be flexible enough to work with players who don't see 100% eye to eye with him. I think he actually mentioned something about this in that interview he did with Ferdinand.
Think he will still continue giving Martial chances. Even he knows how much potential Martial has, mentioned it a lot in interviews.
Boy should really start giving some good performances though.
By Vivalapizza Go To PostI was going to say…those aren't the only two choices, but sadly with Mourinho…they probably are.
He should be flexible enough to work with players who don't see 100% eye to eye with him. I think he actually mentioned something about this in that interview he did with Ferdinand.
Yeah he said it was his one weakness, his buys will tell us a lot though, if his buys are going to be the likes of Perisic, Lukaku et al, big strong, hulking PL style players to rough the league up physically while cementing the back, we are pretty sure that his style is consistent, all this guff about playing the United way is, in reality, a lie, he may even have used part of last reason to point to and say "Look, we tried it a bit your way, not we do it my way".
And I personally am on the fence about that
By Ciaran Go To Postguys
Ronaldo is growing a new moustache
Growing a moustache, already got his beard
By Vivalapizza Go To PostI was going to say…those aren't the only two choices, but sadly with Mourinho…they probably are.He won't do that, if a player under him isn't 100% on board with him, he'll get rid of him. Not about to change this late into his career either.
He should be flexible enough to work with players who don't see 100% eye to eye with him. I think he actually mentioned something about this in that interview he did with Ferdinand.
It goes against his siege mentality too.
By Ciaran Go To Postpeople like Viva are the reason you're no longer relevantBring back Moyes and Adnan.
youth is a LIE
By Bold 2 in One Go To PostAnd Rashford didn't score in the last 3 games either, should he be sold too since that is the metric of talent and worth in this the lowest scoring Manchester United team since records began.Rashers has been inconsistent but worked to get better, and it showed during the second half of the season.
In that last match against Crystal Palace they were in a middle of a counter attacking play. Harrop passed the ball to Martial... who then dwells on it.
Jesus Christ people calm down. Remember that I was probably the last person on this forum that believed in Memphis. I want our prospects to shine.