By domino Go To Postthe Caps got it. i cant remember seeing a team barely be able to make it out of their own zone like the Pens last night
problem is in the caps losses they outshot the pens pretty badly--pens were winning games on low shot attempts
Holtby has pretty clearly turned the corner though so that's huge
By reilo Go To PostKlay is averaging 16PPG on 41FG% these playoffs.
Let me put it this way: you replace him with JJ Redick on these Warriors, what do you lose?
better perimeter defense and shooting range. as well as Klay's random capability to activate his bankai and become an unstoppable offensive force.
They don't need that from him anymore though. Last two years for sure but that Upgrade button on Harrison Barnes did wonders. I'd also argue JJ is a good perimeter defender. They still sweep if you swap Klay for JJ, and that's why this Warriors team is ridiculous.
They could conceivably trade Klay for help in other areas of need and it would be totally defensible as long as they got good value.
Not that they have any meaningful areas of need.
Not that they have any meaningful areas of need.
All those guys compliment each other. Draymond doesn't get near as much credit for his passing if he doesn't have two guys who can pull up from virtually anywhere near the 3 point line and convert.
They don't need KD at all. If Draymond wasn't a fool and got suspended they probably would have beaten the Cavs. The best thing about KD is that if Steph turns to shit again you've got an insurance policy.
They don't need KD at all. If Draymond wasn't a fool and got suspended they probably would have beaten the Cavs. The best thing about KD is that if Steph turns to shit again you've got an insurance policy.
They don't get past the Thunder without Klay tho.
This GSW team, sure. Draymond and Steph and Durant are the core and everyone else is expendable
This GSW team, sure. Draymond and Steph and Durant are the core and everyone else is expendable
By HasphatsAnts Go To PostThey don't get past the Thunder without Klay tho.That was Klay's value last season. I think the question is, with the Harrison Barnes Upgrade, what is his value to this team?
By reilo Go To PostThat was Klay's value last season. I think the question is, with the Harrison Barnes Upgrade, what is his value to this team?
Just 3-D guy.
By reilo Go To PostThat was Klay's value last season. I think the question is, with the Harrison Barnes Upgrade, what is his value to this team?
Another redundancy to insulate against slumps from the superstars. If Durant and Steph don't have it going, Klay most likely does. Also, Klays perimeter defense is very much necessary to the Warrior defense, as Klay can switch from 1-4. That's invaluable against teams like the Cavs and Rockets.
Calling Klay "just 3-D" shortchanges him because he's probably the best player in that mold in the entire league.
Another year in the playoffs and another "Klay ain't shit" argument on SLAENT.
Every year the Warriors have gone deep in the playoffs the same arguments come up.
Every year the Warriors have gone deep in the playoffs the same arguments come up.
With James Harden now at point guard, Klay Thompson is once again the best shooting guard in the NBA. Best in the league in his position and a top 10 player in the league.
By reilo Go To PostThat was Klay's value last season. I think the question is, with the Harrison Barnes Upgrade, what is his value to this team?
I mean, it's a really silly argument. "Yo this really great player who is now playing with 3 other top 20 guys could totally be replaced by x role player who puts up similar numbers, he must be completely average guy now!!!"
That's just not how it works. Not even remotely close.
By shun Go To PostWith James Harden now at point guard, Klay Thompson is once again the best shooting guard in the NBA. Best in the league in his position and a top 10 player in the league.I hate arguments like this, but I'd be curious to see your list. I don't think he's a top-10 guy. Borderline top-20 feels right.
Obviously that's still fucking amazing for the fourth-best guy on your team.
shun isn't being serious.
By giririsss Go To PostI mean, it's a really silly argument. "Yo this really great player who is now playing with 3 other top 20 guys could totally be replaced by x role player who puts up similar numbers, he must be completely average guy now!!!"No it's not, but how good would he be if he had to be the best player on a team?
That's just not how it works. Not even remotely close.
By KingGondo Go To PostI hate arguments like this, but I'd be curious to see your list. I don't think he's a top-10 guy. Borderline top-20 feels right.Harden is obviously the best SG in the league. But the list isn't ... super long.
Obviously that's still fucking amazing for the fourth-best guy on your team.
Derozan, Beal, PG13?, Buttler?, Klay, Harden, CJ McCollum, Booker. (Wiggins / LaVine?)
And PG13 / Buttler were mainly playing SF this year to the point that's actually their listed position now. Same with Hayward.
There's a lot of (admittedly good) role players in the SG spot.
So there's really only 6 star SG's. And one, Booker, hasn't played for a winning team.
I'm joking about Top 10, he really was top 10 last two seasons, more like top 15 right now.
Top 5 in no order
Kawhi Leonard, Kevin Durant, Lebron James, Stephen Curry, and James Harden
6-10 in no order
Anthony Davis (Top 5 depending on if he gets better next season, probably replaces Steph or Harden, or Lebron if he actually declines),
Chris Paul, Russel Westbrook, Klay Thompson, John Wall
11-20 in no order
Giannis Antetokounmpo (Will be top 10 next year, replacing Chris Paul),
Jimmy Butler, DeMarcus Cousins, Rudy Gobert, Draymond Green, Karl-Anthony Towns, Nikola Jokic, CJ McCollum, Gordon Hayward, Damian Lillard
21-30
Kyrie Irving, Isaiah Thomas, Marc Gasol, Paul George, Kevin Love, Mike Conely, DeMar DeRozan, Kyle Lowry, Kemba Walker,
Dion Waiters? I can't think of #30.
Top 5 in no order
Kawhi Leonard, Kevin Durant, Lebron James, Stephen Curry, and James Harden
6-10 in no order
Anthony Davis (Top 5 depending on if he gets better next season, probably replaces Steph or Harden, or Lebron if he actually declines),
Chris Paul, Russel Westbrook, Klay Thompson, John Wall
11-20 in no order
Giannis Antetokounmpo (Will be top 10 next year, replacing Chris Paul),
Jimmy Butler, DeMarcus Cousins, Rudy Gobert, Draymond Green, Karl-Anthony Towns, Nikola Jokic, CJ McCollum, Gordon Hayward, Damian Lillard
21-30
Kyrie Irving, Isaiah Thomas, Marc Gasol, Paul George, Kevin Love, Mike Conely, DeMar DeRozan, Kyle Lowry, Kemba Walker,
Dion Waiters? I can't think of #30.
By diehard Go To Postshun isn't being serious.Based on his current skill set. He'd look as bad as IT2 did with no one to cover for him defensively. Or Draymond would with out anyone to pass to.
No it's not, but how good would he be if he had to be the best player on a team?
Unless you put a creator next to him, like Wall.
Wall would be happy to be the No.2 next to him.
Klay could carry a team to the first-second round playoffs as the number 1 option. That's pretty much it, but you can say that to every star in the league unless they have a good support system with them.
Klay has some of the most potential in the NBA, just never needed a reason to tap into it unless he really had to go fuck you in your face.
Set him free and the league should watch out. But I want him to stay, I don't want him to be set free even if he will be even better of a player for it.
Klay has some of the most potential in the NBA, just never needed a reason to tap into it unless he really had to go fuck you in your face.
Set him free and the league should watch out. But I want him to stay, I don't want him to be set free even if he will be even better of a player for it.
Kyrie has that Klay fuck you factor but is nonexistent on defense and is subject to getting his soul snatched.
Klay shines in the face of adversity. Every other time, you got other dudes who will pull the weight, why not sit back grab a beer and some weed until you up next.
Klay shines in the face of adversity. Every other time, you got other dudes who will pull the weight, why not sit back grab a beer and some weed until you up next.
By reilo Go To PostKlay is averaging 16PPG on 41FG% these playoffs.Well first of all.. You lose the ability to hide Curry on D And then JJ has been shooting like complete shit and will never take over a game..
Let me put it this way: you replace him with JJ Redick on these Warriors, what do you lose?
But really your first point was he got outplayed by the other teams SG when he didnt and now it is what is his value to THIS team? lol ok..
Hayward: 25PPG, 40FG% vs Klay: 14PPG 43FG%
CJ: 22PPG, 40FG% vs Klay: 18PPG 38FG%
But Klay outplayed them? Okay.
Redick, three playoffs prior (33 games): 14PPG, 44FG%, 39 3PT%
Basically what Klay is giving the Warriors in 2017 playoffs.
CJ: 22PPG, 40FG% vs Klay: 18PPG 38FG%
But Klay outplayed them? Okay.
By blackace Go To PostWell first of all.. You lose the ability to hide Curry on DI don't think you do.
By blackace Go To PostAnd then JJ has been shooting like complete shit and will never take over a game..Symptomatic of how shit the Clippers are in the post-season moreso than a statement on JJ individually.
Redick, three playoffs prior (33 games): 14PPG, 44FG%, 39 3PT%
Basically what Klay is giving the Warriors in 2017 playoffs.
By reilo Go To PostHayward: 25PPG, 40FG% vs Klay: 14PPG 43FG%
CJ: 22PPG, 40FG% vs Klay: 18PPG 38FG%
But Klay outplayed them? Okay.
I don't think you do.
Symptomatic of how shit the Clippers are in the post-season moreso than a statement on JJ individually.
Redick, three playoffs prior (33 games): 14PPG, 44FG%, 39 3PT%
Basically what Klay is giving the Warriors in 2017 playoffs.
You could look at eFG%. Which would be much better.
CJ, .469. Klay, .479 (for the whole play offs, can't find series break downs on bball-ref).
By giririsss Go To PostYou could look at eFG%. Which would be much better.Klay vs CJ TS%
CJ, .469. Klay, .479 (for the whole play offs, can't find series break downs on bball-ref).
50.2TS% vs 51.7TS%
Klay vs CJ eFG%
47 eFG% vs 47 eFG%
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2017-nba-western-conference-first-round-trail-blazers-vs-warriors.html
Klay vs Gordon TS%
52.2TS% vs 55.8TS%
Klay vs Gordon eFG%
49 eFG% vs 47.3 eFG%
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2017-nba-western-conference-semifinals-jazz-vs-warriors.html
He deleted CJ for 2 games. Just deleted him. a 6 point 17% shooting game... that's just getting removed... and besides that the TS eFG numbers are super close if you want to use that for who outplayed who
Klay also is very good against smaller SGs and takes them in the post something that JJ can't ever do and he plays better D
By DY_nasty Go To PostJJ being trash is how I know the Clippers won't ever be shit.Pretty much
Klay also is very good against smaller SGs and takes them in the post something that JJ can't ever do and he plays better D
JJ is still a good player. He has a lot of the same limitations as Klay, just not as good at the strengths.
By diehard Go To PostJJ is still a good player. He has a lot of the same limitations as Klay, just not as good at the strengths.I wouldn't disagree with that.
I am sure Sam Presti thought the same thing that I was hearing here tho when he traded Harden for Martin ... if we swap x with y no difference
By blackace Go To PostKlay also is very good against smaller SGs and takes them in the post something that JJ can't ever do and he plays better D
Yeah. Being able to take guys in the post is actually really key in their matchups. It means you can't hide guys like Dame on him. Because he WILL punish you for it.
It's something that a lot of the really good role playing SG's (Danny Green) Can't / Don't do.
By giririsss Go To PostYeah. Being able to take guys in the post is actually really key in their matchups. It means you can't hide guys like Dame on him. Because he WILL punish you for it.Both of Portland's 1 and 2 are midgets and he went to work... G-Tyme is a big body so he didn't really try but he is willing to go to the block and it causes matchup problems
It's something that a lot of the really good role playing SG's (Danny Green) Can't / Don't do.
By blackace Go To PostHe deleted CJ for 2 games. Just deleted him. a 6 point 17% shooting game… that's just getting removed… and besides that the TS eFG numbers are super close if you want to use that for who outplayed whoCool cherry pick, bro.
By reilo Go To PostCool cherry pick, bro.if you shoot 17% and 27% of 2 of 4 games you got clamped nothing cherrypicked about it
By blackace Go To Postif you shoot 17% and 27% of 2 of 4 games you got clamped nothing cherrypicked about itWhat about scoring 41pts on 28fga while Klay scored 15pts on 16fga? Does that count or nah?
Aaaaannd you can credit Iggy and Durant way more for the defense in those games than Klay. That's what those two are for, which is the point for this 2017 Warriors squad. Klay looks disposable which he didn't last two years.
By reilo Go To PostWhat about scoring 41pts on 28fga while Klay scored 15pts on 16fga? Does that count or nah?
So 50% of the time he played well? While Klay just put his numbers at a fairly steady rate...Klay numbers were really close across the board to Portland 1B option... and Klay is the 3rd or 4th option? Yeah he did his job on both ends on CJ
Playing well 50% of the time is better than playing well 25% of the time.
I just flat out said Klay got outplayed for the duration of both series. You keep pointing out to like some shit about a game here or there.
I just flat out said Klay got outplayed for the duration of both series. You keep pointing out to like some shit about a game here or there.
By reilo Go To PostAaaaannd you can credit Iggy and Durant way more for the defense in those games than Klay. That's what those two are for, which is the point for this 2017 Warriors squad. Klay looks disposable which he didn't last two years.The Warriors are mad deep when they lost KD they looked like they didn't give a fuck... If Klay isn't on the team they are still the best team in the west... but they might be the best team in the west without KD too
By reilo Go To PostPlaying well 50% of the time is better than playing well 25% of the time.but it's flat out wrong... you can't outplay someone for a series when half your games are some of the worst playoff outputs ever
I just flat out said Klay got outplayed for the duration of both series. You keep pointing out to like some shit about a game here or there.
Klay averaged 18PPG on 38FG%. He broke 20 points once in 4 games.
How is that "outplaying" anyone? If this shit was reversed you'd be making my argument and talking Game 1 and 3.
How is that "outplaying" anyone? If this shit was reversed you'd be making my argument and talking Game 1 and 3.
the fact that you can have an all-star play like trash and still easily win the game is a sad state for the league
By diehard Go To Postthe fact that you can have an all-star play like trash and still easily win the game is a sad state for the leagueWhich is why my opinion that you could've swapped JJ Redick for Klay in these two series and the outcome is the same isn't even trolling nor far-fetched. It's dumb and the playoffs are suffering for it.
By reilo Go To PostKlay averaged 18PPG on 38FG%. He broke 20 points once in 4 games.Did ever score less than 16 vs Portland? He put flat consistent numbers... While his mark didn't... pretty much outplaying him
How is that "outplaying" anyone? If this shit was reversed you'd be making my argument and talking Game 1 and 3.
By blackace Go To PostDid ever score less than 16 vs Portland? He put flat consistent numbers… While his mark didn't… pretty much outplaying him15, 16, 18
37.5FG%, 35FG%, 46FG%
His best game was a 24 pt game on 38FG%. Like, come on. He broke 40FG% once in the entire series. "Consistent" numbers ya mean shooting below 40%? Agree on that point.
I love waking up in the morning and seeing everyone has been talking about Klay all night. It's wonderful stuff
