Melo's also gauranteed to opt out after next season to seek his final payday. So you'd basically be trading for one year of Melo unless you want to pay him long term.
By blackace Go To PostAny team that could use him wouldn't want to give up what it would cost to get him
Bill Simmons says he's worth "Kanter plus stuff." Enes + McBuckets 2 NY.
By knux-future Go To PostMelo looked super washed at times this year…like a season or two away from being retired washedI think he just gave up on life
By knux-future Go To PostMelo looked super washed at times this year…like a season or two away from being retired washed
He was playing ok and once the beef with him and Phil started (that roots can be traced to how he sort of threw Phil under the bus during the Posse fiasco) he just started coasting.
By blackace Go To PostAny team that could use him wouldn't want to give up what it would cost to get him
I am like 90% sure its going to be the clippers. Austin, old man Jamal, a future 2021 pick and probably a 2022 pick swap option.
By livefromkyoto Go To PostBill Simmons says he's worth "Kanter plus stuff." Enes + McBuckets 2 NY.Simmons been smoking that shamrock again
By livefromkyoto Go To PostBill Simmons says he's worth "Kanter plus stuff." Enes + McBuckets 2 NY.
I am 50/50 the knicks will send them O'quinn and just absorb Kanter for their Pick this year and maybe a protected future pick.
Like I am pretty sure we're going to take a bad contract for some picks
By blackace Go To PostKanter would be good in the triangle
talking about bad contracts in the Triangle..... I could see them maybe offering to take Turner for one or two of those Blazer picks.
By blackace Go To PostKanter would be good in the triangle
Kanter/Porzingis...enhhh...
By Zeus Ex Machina Go To Posttalking about bad contracts in the Triangle….. I could see them maybe offering to take Turner for one or two of those Blazer picks.wait, you take Turner AND one of our picks for nothing?? lmao gtfo
By reilo Go To Postwait, you take Turner AND one of our picks for nothing?? lmao gtfoO'Quinn
By reilo Go To Postwait, you take Turner AND one of our picks for nothing?? lmao gtfo
I didn't know how much you valued Turners 9 pts 3 ast 3 rebs season. Please continue to pay him 16- 18 mil a year...... and be exempt from adding a better piece in the offseason for your playoff ready team.
The blazers have 3 out of lottery picks and are about to be a luxury tax treadmill team, and you got to pay Nurkic while trying to avoid the repeater tax, They are so going to offer those picks to somebody for cap relief.
Portland has plenty of underachieving backup Centers. You can take Meyers Leonard back with Turner and throw in Justin Holiday for good measure. That makes more sense.
By reilo Go To PostPortland has plenty of underachieving backup Centers. You can take Meyers Leonard back with Turner and throw in Justin Holiday for good measure. That makes more sense.
The knicks could only fit in turner in their cap space and it would be for those picks.
Like its really not a talent for talent trade its a "we need to get below the tax line to use the non tax payer MLE to try and improve" or "we keep these 3 picks and add 7 mil to a 123 mil tied to a 12 man roster and we still need to pay Nurkic next year and go into the repeater tax....... for a treadmil team".
Like I know your owner could pay it, but your GM would have to know thats a bad idea
There won't be a repeater tax. Portland is under this year, they'll be over next but the following year it'll jump to where Portland will be below again, at which point ET, Meyers, Harkless and Crabbe will have under 2 years left on their contracts making them easily movable. Repeater tax isn't an issue.
By reilo Go To PostThere won't be a repeater tax. Portland is under this year, they'll be over next but the following year it'll jump to where Portland will be below again, at which point ET, Meyers, Harkless and Crabbe will have under 2 years left on their contracts making them easily movable. Repeater tax isn't an issue.
Last I heard you had 133 mil in guaranteed contracts this year so your team is in the luxury tax. So keeping Nurkic would put them in the repeater tax cause he should get paid next year. Moving Turner (or crabbe) this off season would be the best way to avoid it and you guys could use the non tax payer MLE and keep Nurkic without the repeater tax for a 8th seed team.
You heard wrong:
Portland is under by the slimmest of margins this season. $131mil is the salary for 2017-18 because McCollum is still on his rookie contract this season. Like I said, not an issue to worry about repeater tax. Nurkic won't be eligible for an extension until Summer 2018 anyhow, which, again, several of those contracts they signed will have 2 years left and make them much more movable.
I'd also argue it's dumb to make moves like that now before you see what this squad looks like with Nurkic as a full time starter for the first few months next season.
Portland is under by the slimmest of margins this season. $131mil is the salary for 2017-18 because McCollum is still on his rookie contract this season. Like I said, not an issue to worry about repeater tax. Nurkic won't be eligible for an extension until Summer 2018 anyhow, which, again, several of those contracts they signed will have 2 years left and make them much more movable.
I'd also argue it's dumb to make moves like that now before you see what this squad looks like with Nurkic as a full time starter for the first few months next season.
Also, Ezeli is a non-guaranteed contract if waived by 6/30/2017 so they'll waive him this summer and shave off $8mil.
By reilo Go To PostYou heard wrong:
Portland is under by the slimmest of margins this season. $131mil is the salary for 2017-18 because McCollum is still on his rookie contract this season. Like I said, not an issue to worry about repeater tax. Nurkic won't be eligible for an extension until Summer 2018 anyhow, which, again, several of those contracts they signed will have 2 years left and make them much more movable.
I'd also argue it's dumb to make moves like that now before you see what this squad looks like with Nurkic as a full time starter for the first few months next season.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2702307-nba-salary-cap-tax-level-projections-revealed-for-2017-18-season
The luxury tax is 121 mil for 2017 - 18 even at 131 (not including the 7 mil for 3 rookies) moving Turner or Crabbe is the easiest way to get below that and then use the MLE to get better. Hell including the higher of the picks is best too because of cap reasons. So to put it in perspective to not move anyone, and keeping those picks means the blazers would be almost 20 mil into the luxury tax as a 8th seed.
The luxury is projected to go to 124 mil in 2018- 2019 so if they let Nurkic walk they can get under next year, but it would make more sense to go below now, than play Nurkic and have the Nyets in the cut waiting to overpay him to either put ya'll in the repeater tax or let him walk
I don't know what to tell you anymore when you're wrong on this point: Portland will not pay a luxury tax this summer. They're in the luxury in the summer of 2018 at which point the bill is due. They don't need to move Turner until next season, which is the smarter play to see what they are with Nurkic full time. They're clearly not an 8th seed post ASG/post Nurkic trade (top 3 record in the NBA).
Kp and Hernangomez are both a little squishy inside, i'm not interested in adding Kanter to that mix. I know its was just some bs from Simmons but I'm just saying.
Thibodeau on Rubio: "Until you coach him, you don't really know him."Until you ask him to stand in the corner for two months, you don't know. Who could've.
By Red Blaster Go To Postbonzo lall's strengths video makes him look pretty goodthey make him look like he shouldn't even be drafted.
not gonna even watch the weaknesses
those videos are some scary shit all the time
You know ... I was thinking: Back when the season started Vegas had us at 25 wins being in the bottom two. I remember the Lakers bros were all pretty excited that we could watch an improved season by games while still competing for our pick. We ended up with 26 wins in the bottom three because PHX kicked their tank into 8th gear. I think we gotta be pretty happy about that. Ingram improved a ton post ASB and so did D'Angelo. I really like where Zubac ended up considering he was a random 2nd round pick we thought we would stash in Europe for a couple years.
That being said, I'm preparing myself for the very serious chance that we lose this pick and Magic and Rob Lowe will try and turn whatever we have into a star this summer regardless of if this hinders our future. I guess I"m worried about the same thing even if we keep the pick but at least that's another asset.
That being said, I'm preparing myself for the very serious chance that we lose this pick and Magic and Rob Lowe will try and turn whatever we have into a star this summer regardless of if this hinders our future. I guess I"m worried about the same thing even if we keep the pick but at least that's another asset.
By Fenderputty Go To PostThat being said, I'm preparing myself for the very serious chance that we lose this pick and Magic and Rob Lowe will try and turn whatever we have into a star this summer regardless of if this hinders our future.
That sounds like a pretty accurate reading of the things Magic has said over the years. He seems very much about getting a superstar as an anchor. The trouble is if you put that cart before the horse and you end up with the Isaiah Knicks with Marbury.
By livefromkyoto Go To PostThat sounds like a pretty accurate reading of the things Magic has said over the years. He seems very much about getting a superstar as an anchor. The trouble is if you put that cart before the horse and you end up with the Isaiah Knicks with Marbury.
Right. Keeping an extra asset helps guard against this. I can't stand the guy, but John Ireland seems to think Rob and Magic are going to shop for a star and are willing to give up the farm if need be.
The Lakers aren't a star away like Magic thinks.
however I think George would stay so if he's the guy they pursue there are worse fates I guess.
however I think George would stay so if he's the guy they pursue there are worse fates I guess.
By Fenderputty Go To PostRight. Keeping an extra asset helps guard against this. I can't stand the guy, but John Ireland seems to think Rob and Magic are going to shop for a star and are willing to give up the farm if need be.
I mean, Paul George is worth a farm, it's just that now you have a high degree of difficulty in terms of free agent signings & internal development to put pieces around him. You have a good coach, but it's hard to say how strong the team's development environment is because everybody's still so young. I really think that's the biggest factor in being a top franchise; not just getting good guys, but making the guys you get good. Those teams that can pluck a role player out of the d-league or someone else's bench and make him look effective.
I know the Lakers weren't putting a ton of resources into assistants and advanced metrics in the past, and I don't know how serious their investment in the D-Fenders is. But that seems to be the #1 thing that has to change.
I think the past 2 seasons we've actually put efforts in to our D-league team. We called up Nwaba this year who looks like he can be a solid Tony Allen type of role player (defense, rebounds) and Zubac developed for most of the season down there and he came in looking much better than anyone anticipated.
I'd love to have George on the Lakers, but is he worth giving up 3 of the 4 young guys on our team, plus a pick? Especially if we lose are pick this year and in 2019, I don't think we can do it. George would be in a worse situation and most likely bolt. I could imagine getting rid of D'tective, Ingram, and Randle/Clarkson for him.
Of the "core" I'm most open to trading Randle. I like him and he has shown improvement from last year to this, but nothing tells me he is a building block. He's a PF with no range and shit defense... not exactly a good piece in this days NBA.
I'd love to have George on the Lakers, but is he worth giving up 3 of the 4 young guys on our team, plus a pick? Especially if we lose are pick this year and in 2019, I don't think we can do it. George would be in a worse situation and most likely bolt. I could imagine getting rid of D'tective, Ingram, and Randle/Clarkson for him.
Of the "core" I'm most open to trading Randle. I like him and he has shown improvement from last year to this, but nothing tells me he is a building block. He's a PF with no range and shit defense... not exactly a good piece in this days NBA.
I've mentally warmed up to wanting any of the top three in Ball, Fultz, or Jackson. I have preferences but i'd really be happy with any of the three.. at this point i'll be devastated if we fall out of the top 3 after this.
I was kind of iffy on Ball after being so high on him before because of his dad's comments and him saying he wants to be a Laker, i'm sure people will be out to get him in his first year but man it will be fun to see him on this chippy suns team. Team was already young and wild getting into scraps every game, they'd back Ball up 100%.
I was kind of iffy on Ball after being so high on him before because of his dad's comments and him saying he wants to be a Laker, i'm sure people will be out to get him in his first year but man it will be fun to see him on this chippy suns team. Team was already young and wild getting into scraps every game, they'd back Ball up 100%.
There are only what, like 5 teams max that Melo would accept a trade to? And they won't be willing to give up anything of value for one year of Melo with a player option after that.
What a clusterfuck.
What a clusterfuck.
Melo and Wade will sucker some team into offering them both big pay days.
Paul George Wade Melo
dat big 3
Paul George Wade Melo
dat big 3
By knux-future Go To Postthey make him look like he shouldn't even be drafted.Yo watch KP's weaknesses video. It made me wonder why he got into sports.
those videos are some scary shit all the time
By IWMTB19 Go To PostThis was also true immediately after you took the job but you signed him for 5 years with a no trade clause you fucking tool.
By masud Go To PostThis was also true immediately after you took the job but you signed him for 5 years with a no trade clause you fucking tool.There it is. Let that hate out, yes, let it consume you, let it flow out until it touches other Knicks fans and consumes them, yes, yeeeesss.
http://nypost.com/2017/04/14/derrick-rose-knicks-weirdly-seem-to-have-mutual-interest/
Somebody hold me back...
“We had a good conversation with him,” Jackson said of Rose’s exit interview. “He expressed that he wants to come back. He’s chosen to go back to Chicago to rehab. He took time out to say he really enjoyed playing here, even with the losses. That surprised us. He wants to have a chance to redeem himself. I like that attitude in a player.”
Somebody hold me back...
By rvy Go To PostI still don't know what Phil's beef with Melo. Like, why? What's the upside?It's largely that Melo refuses to play a system that isn't "melo iso at 17ft from the rim".
By Dark PhaZe Go To Posttbh don't know how you can come away with Ball as a top 3 pick given stats and filmI'd take Smith over Ball every time
By giririsss Go To PostIt's largely that Melo refuses to play a system that isn't "melo iso at 17ft from the rim".But is sliding these snippets to the media the way to go about it?