By Kuma Go To PostIn the social media age. marketing is a none issue especially for an outspoken (bamma) dude like Lavar.Uhm, yes it is.
The amount of money Nike pours into traditional advertising alongside online/social advertising is nuts. I know this because at my last job (a digital agency dedicated to work on building sites/online market collateral) we used to do this kind of work for Nike. There's online banners, online store front takeovers, commercial spots, dedicate in-store carve outs, etc. It all amounted to hundreds of thousands and even millions of dollars worth of work and dedicated teams on Nike's side along with full-fledged design and dev teams on the agency side. It's a very complex and expensive venture.
You can't just post a tweet and expect to sell 10,000 pairs of shoes lol
By reilo Go To PostYou can't just post a tweet and expect to sell 10,000 pairs of shoes lolMaybe you can't.
This man though?
By Dark PhaZe Go To Postheard on the radio he sold 5000 of those the first dayhe said it but do you believe it?
2475000 minus 475000 at most from the sweat shop in china for manufacturing means 2 million net
by comparison Ben Simmons gets 4 million a year from nike over the next 5
By Kuma Go To PostIn the social media age. marketing is a none issue especially for an outspoken (bamma) dude like Lavar.being outspoken isn't exactly marketing
I honestly think the bbb shoes could have become ironically cool if they were like 100$. I'm tempted to buy a t shirt.
edit: holy shit the t shirts are 50$!
Also...
http://nypost.com/2017/05/04/how-carmelo-could-become-part-of-a-revamped-clippers-big-4/
Berman is on crack. None of this makes sense. JJ agreeing to a sign and trade to the Knicks? The Knicks giving up a pick to trade Melo for a dude that's the same age?
edit: holy shit the t shirts are 50$!
Also...
http://nypost.com/2017/05/04/how-carmelo-could-become-part-of-a-revamped-clippers-big-4/
According to some league executives, the only deal that makes sense for both sides is packaging Redick, combo guard Austin Rivers and adding wing man Wesley Johnson for financial purposes in exchange for Anthony and perhaps one of the Knicks’ two second-round picks in next month’s draft.
Berman is on crack. None of this makes sense. JJ agreeing to a sign and trade to the Knicks? The Knicks giving up a pick to trade Melo for a dude that's the same age?
By knux-future Go To Postand its a second round pickA second round pick for JJ Reddick. Plus if the mutual interest was there between him and the Knicks why would they need to involve the Clippers?
This was a really cool gesture by Lillard and the other Blazer players: http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/damian-lillard-rallies-teammates-to-donate-bonus-playoff-money-to-trail-blazers-staff/
Horrible trade unless they get multiple unprotected picks back.
Obviously the Clippers want that trade (with picks coming in) but I think its even worse than the trade Phil left on the table before the trade deadline. Like I said "Doc was on the record saying take all of these guys (including his son) just not their big 3.
I really don't think people appreciate that Redick has to make at a minimum a 16 mil deal for this to work because S&T count for half for salary to go back. So not only is he old (and just played terrible in the 1st round) he would cut into their cap space to sign their own players/make moves. I can't see Phil biting on that now. The older rumors were they would of took him pre FA but it was the above package, Clippers 2021 and Redick was an expiring. It fell through cause Phil refused to send Courtney Lee back since he was trying to move him for a late first from someone else.
I'm kind of hoping a 3rd team jumps in (not likely) or one of Melo's other options come in with a better offers. It really wont take much to beat that Clipper offer and GM's have to know that.
No one is saying it yet but they could just keep Melo and reduce his role, fuck up his stats and see if he budges. Completely fucked up but D'antoni did it to get Marbury to leave and Dolan didn't "intervene".
Obviously the Clippers want that trade (with picks coming in) but I think its even worse than the trade Phil left on the table before the trade deadline. Like I said "Doc was on the record saying take all of these guys (including his son) just not their big 3.
I really don't think people appreciate that Redick has to make at a minimum a 16 mil deal for this to work because S&T count for half for salary to go back. So not only is he old (and just played terrible in the 1st round) he would cut into their cap space to sign their own players/make moves. I can't see Phil biting on that now. The older rumors were they would of took him pre FA but it was the above package, Clippers 2021 and Redick was an expiring. It fell through cause Phil refused to send Courtney Lee back since he was trying to move him for a late first from someone else.
I'm kind of hoping a 3rd team jumps in (not likely) or one of Melo's other options come in with a better offers. It really wont take much to beat that Clipper offer and GM's have to know that.
No one is saying it yet but they could just keep Melo and reduce his role, fuck up his stats and see if he budges. Completely fucked up but D'antoni did it to get Marbury to leave and Dolan didn't "intervene".
By Zeus Ex Machina Go To PostHorrible trade unless they get multiple unprotected picks back.LOL
By reilo Go To PostLOL
Your just going to Ignore the stuff I wrote after about how it was reported 1 was on the table prior to Redick eating their cap?
Also look at the side that keeps leaking these scenarios. The Clips are making these offers public for a reason. They are hoping it gets public support to make it easier for Phil to swallow.
If Phil was worried about bad contracts eating up the cap he wouldn't have signed Noah for as much as he did.
By reilo Go To PostIf Phil was worried about bad contracts eating up the cap he wouldn't have signed Noah for as much as he did.
I feel like as a Blazer fan you should be able to relate to bad contracts being signed last summer...... You don't go into an bad contract thinking its a bad contract. You expect it to work or you put an out into it like the Blazers did with Ezeli.
Anyhow this is different, You're sending out a 20 PPG player who was an all star (reserve) last year who will only eat cap space for 2 years. Melo's contract isn't bad.
Considering the offer became public from the Clippers this is them trying to force the issue (similar to how Phil did to Melo at the press conference).
Phil would be wise to see what happens in the draft and who goes where in FA. Even if its just to add a 3rd team to this to make it barely palatable. Also if certain teams come knocking Melo might actually go ring chase.
He also has the option of just saying "Nope" because this offer doesn't even fit into the rebuild he was talking about.
By Zeus Ex Machina Go To PostI feel like as a Blazer fan you should be able to relate to bad contracts being signed last summer……I actually completely agree.
Anyhow this is different, You're sending out a 20 PPG player who was an all star (reserve) last year who will only eat cap space for 2 years. Melo's contract isn't bad.
Considering the offer became public from the Clippers this is them trying to force the issue (similar to how Phil did to Melo at the press conference).
Phil would be wise to see what happens in the draft and who goes where in FA. Even if its just to add a 3rd team to this to make it barely palatable. Also if certain teams come knocking Melo might actually go ring chase.
He also has the option of just saying "Nope" because this offer doesn't even fit into the rebuild he was talking about.
At the same time, anything you get for Melo is a win at this point.
Evan Turner and Crabbe might have he same contract as Noah, but neither are past their prime and about to serve 20 games for PEDs while having bad knees and looking CBA ready. So, no. I can't relate because their contracts are movable in a years time.
I think my biggest issue here is the assumption of what you think Phil should do and that he's a rational GM that is likely to do those things. He's not. He made this mess to begin with, long gone is this idea that he inherited it.
I just don't believe that Melo has the trade value that you think he does, especially for unprotected first rounders deep into the future. GMs would rather be Divac and trade their star player for literally nothing than be Billy Knight and ruin their franchise for next half decade or more and guarantee that they won't work in the NBA again.
I think my biggest issue here is the assumption of what you think Phil should do and that he's a rational GM that is likely to do those things. He's not. He made this mess to begin with, long gone is this idea that he inherited it.
I just don't believe that Melo has the trade value that you think he does, especially for unprotected first rounders deep into the future. GMs would rather be Divac and trade their star player for literally nothing than be Billy Knight and ruin their franchise for next half decade or more and guarantee that they won't work in the NBA again.
By DY_nasty Go To PostI actually completely agree.
At the same time, anything you get for Melo is a win at this point.
Except for Redick needing a new 16 million contract to make it work.
Signing Redick to that deal is toxic. Before Redick would of been the expiring they needed to have actual RFA max money and have a chance to try steal a RFA. Now he would make it hard to keep their own people and its clear Noah is on the books as a bad contract.
I am not saying the knicks are going to get anything good for Melo, but this is actually a bad pull for Melo
By Zeus Ex Machina Go To PostExcept for Redick needing a new 16 million contract to make it work.16 million for Reddick isn't toxic at all imo. Between him and Lee you don't need to look for a 2 guard for a long, long time.
Signing Redick to that deal is toxic. Before Redick would of been the expiring they needed to have actual RFA max money and have a chance to try steal a RFA. Now he would make it hard to keep their own people and its clear Noah is on the books as a bad contract.
I am not saying the knicks are going to get anything good for Melo, but this is actually a bad pull for Melo
I don't think its a bad pull for Melo either. Any 'get' for Melo with his NTC is a good one.
By Zeus Ex Machina Go To PostExcept for Redick needing a new 16 million contract to make it work.In comparison to what Boogie got and the cap going to rise some more? Nah.
Signing Redick to that deal is toxic. Before Redick would of been the expiring they needed to have actual RFA max money and have a chance to try steal a RFA. Now he would make it hard to keep their own people and its clear Noah is on the books as a bad contract.
I am not saying the knicks are going to get anything good for Melo, but this is actually a bad pull for Melo
You also have to look at Melo as a 1-year rental if you're trading for him since he can opt out. That matters.
And again, this is a self-made problem so Phil has to pay to fix it.
By reilo Go To PostI think my biggest issue here is the assumption of what you think Phil should do and that he's a rational GM that is likely to do those things. He's not. He made this mess to begin with, long gone is this idea that he inherited it.
I just don't believe that Melo has the trade value that you think he does, especially for unprotected first rounders deep into the future. GMs would rather be Divac and trade their star player for literally nothing than be Billy Knight and ruin their franchise for next half decade or more and guarantee that they won't work in the NBA again.
Reddick getting 16 mil to come to NY is that just that bad of a trade. Its not even a rational part its he'll be crucified for it part.
Austin in his system would likely make the trade on the surface seem like a smart move cause I could see him being the Triangle starting PG next year. However, Lee for less money is gonna likely start. They would be paying Reddick more be playing off the bench probably behind Lee (who makes less) and all signs point to them wanting to draft a SG if they stay at 7 (if he is there). So now they got to play the 16 mil Redick, Lee, and the Rookie?
On the flip the Clippers have 2 major FA they want to keep and getting Melo makes that a lot easier. Phil just wants to trade Melo cause he hates him on his team. Doc needs to add to his roster to keep his job. 2021 unprotected, 2020 pick swap. They could even reload and still be a good team at that point cause Melo would of came off the cap and they could add another FA.
By DY_nasty Go To Post16 million for Reddick isn't toxic at all imo. Between him and Lee you don't need to look for a 2 guard for a long, long time.
I don't think its a bad pull for Melo either. Any 'get' for Melo with his NTC is a good one.
After his series with Utah it is. 7 points in the last 2 games of a playoff series gets you a 16 mil contract because they need you to match salaries for Melo? After Phil said he wanted the team to get younger? The Media would be calling for his head even more than they are calling for it now.
By Zeus Ex Machina Go To PostAfter his series with Utah it is. 7 points in the last 2 games of a playoff series gets you a 16 mil contract because they need you to match salaries for Melo? After Phil said he wanted the team to get younger? The Media would be calling for his head even more than they are calling for it now.That's because Utah's a good defensive team and the Clippers have the most inflexible and static lineup in the entire postseason. Literally no one on that team's rotation can even pretend to play out of position - doesn't matter how great their sets are. A good defensive team like Utah? Reddick was absolutely going to be the first player neutralized in every single scenario of a 7 game series.
Dude's one of the most consistent and efficient players at his position and has been for years - with several different teams. Chris Paul dribbing in circles being wishy washy about whether he wants to commit to a floppy or not against a team that has the luxury of Gobert playing center field and extending the requirements of every play being ran is going to murder a guy like Reddick.
I shit on Utah because Hayward is the most loveable front runner left alive in the post season but they deserve full credit for throwing the Clips in the bushes.
Reddick's failures are a symptom of the Clips' post-season issues as a whole, not his failings as a player.
The whole Reddick thing is predicated on him chosing to play for the Knicks over every other team with cap space. Might as well not even talk about it.
By reilo Go To PostBruh nobody is giving unprotected picks into 2020s for Melo. That's irrational.
The Clips probably don't want to give up that pick unprotected. Fair enough, which is why I don't see this trade happening. At this point just looking at the assets. The Clips really don't have anything to trade except a FA looking for a payday and Rivers who would play the least essential role on the team as a Triangle PG. Even if Phil wanted Redick he has the cap space to just sign him. The whole deal would have to come down as Austin for Melo
Also just like Melo doesn't need to do Phil a Favor, I doubt Phil trades Melo for assets he doesn't want to let Melo play on one of his preferred teams. The guys he traded for a bag of Chips were all playing bad and in the case of RoLo (who was playing well) he sent Calderon and Grant with him to clear cap space.
By DY_nasty Go To PostThat's because Utah's a good defensive team and the Clippers have the most inflexible and static lineup in the entire postseason. Literally no one on that team's rotation can even pretend to play out of position - doesn't matter how great their sets are. A good defensive team like Utah? Reddick was absolutely going to be the first player neutralized in every single scenario of a 7 game series.
Dude's one of the most consistent and efficient players at his position and has been for years - with several different teams. Chris Paul dribbing in circles being wishy washy about whether he wants to commit to a floppy or not against a team that has the luxury of Gobert playing center field and extending the requirements of every play being ran is going to murder a guy like Reddick.
I shit on Utah because Hayward is the most loveable front runner left alive in the post season but they deserve full credit for throwing the Clips in the bushes.
Reddick's failures are a symptom of the Clips' post-season issues as a whole, not his failings as a player.
Yeah but the Knicks are probably going to be tanking. Redick is a solid Role Player that should try and make a move to a contender like Korver did but for a decent contract. Which leads to the question why go to NY?
By masud Go To PostThe whole Reddick thing is predicated on him chosing to play for the Knicks over every other team with cap space. Might as well not even talk about it.
Exactly! It would have to be for a deal higher than he & his agent feels he could get on a better team. There are no basketball reasons for him to come to NY.
By giririsss Go To PostI don't like Reddick on the Knicks because he's not a creator. And so would be basically pointless.
His skillset isn't the issue
Knicks should try and get their youth on Good deals (like Phil normally does) and either re-up Rose on a Rondo deal to roll that cap space into next year or absorb a contract for something back. Like your Knight trade offer but with the knicks getting a pick.
Knicks should try and get their youth on Good deals (like Phil normally does) and either re-up Rose on a Rondo deal to roll that cap space into next year or absorb a contract for something back. Like your Knight trade offer but with the knicks getting a pick
Has Phil been a GM somewhere else before?
By blackace Go To PostHas Phil been a GM somewhere else before?
Willy, O'quinn, and Kuz's deals are cheap considering their output. Galloway's deal had been cheap too.
By Zeus Ex Machina Go To PostWilly, O'quinn, and Kuz's deals are cheap considering their output. Galloway's deal had been cheap too.Isn't Willy on a rookie deal?
And O'Quinn is trash... he a 16 min player and nothing to brag about as a good signingw
By blackace Go To PostIsn't Willy on a rookie deal?
And O'Quinn is trash… he a 16 min player and nothing to brag about as a good signingw
He had to negotiate that with him, because he was a second round pick. Its less than 2 mil a year for 3 more seasons. O'quinn makes rookie money, for his output as a backup Big that is a good deal.
I'm not bragging its to show a theme and even then its what I think Phil would do based on his prior history
By Zeus Ex Machina Go To PostHe had to negotiate that with him, because he was a second pick. Its less than 2 mil for 3 more seasons. O'quinn makes rookie money, for his output as a backup Big that is a good deal.His output is meh at best... He is a poor poor defender
Willy makes more per year than a 1/3 of the 1st rounders... It's not a bad deal but he getting paid like he was the 18th pick
By Zeus Ex Machina Go To PostKnicks should try and get their youth on Good deals (like Phil normally does) and either re-up Rose on a Rondo deal to roll that cap space into next year or absorb a contract for something back. Like your Knight trade offer but with the knicks getting a pick.So. Knicks aren't getting a pick in a Knight deal. Cause you're not sending anything back we want / need. And we don't need the cap space, so "getting rid of a contract" isn't the issue.
Your ideas are right. But sort of off in their expectaions. Knicks need to be realistic in their team building too.
You're right. The clippers deal would SUCK for NYK in terms of asset value. Clippers aint got shit to trade. But the one thing they do, is get rid of melo 2 seasons earlier for you. Which, while not super important cap wise, is locker room wise.
By giririsss Go To PostSo. Knicks aren't getting a pick in a Knight deal. Cause you're not sending anything back we want / need. And we don't need the cap space, so "getting rid of a contract" isn't the issue.
Your ideas are right. But sort of off in their expectaions. Knicks need to be realistic in their team building too.
You're right. The clippers deal would SUCK for NYK in terms of asset value. Clippers aint got shit to trade. But the one thing they do, is get rid of melo 2 seasons earlier for you. Which, while not super important cap wise, is locker room wise.
Fair enough though that Knight deal I gave would be the type of trade/salary dump I expect Phil to accept with the extra cap space. The suns situation isn't that bad but there are always team seeking cap space.
Also about the expectations they aren't sky high its just the Clippers offering is so bad. That same deal with 1 pick coming to NY likely gets it done when Redick was an expiring. Even now something similar gets it done. Maybe they get a 3rd team involved to take Redick and send someone younger back. This leaking like this could just be a way to advertise that to the league.
By Zeus Ex Machina Go To PostAlso about the expectations they aren't sky high its just the Clippers offering is so bad. That same deal with 1 pick coming to NY likely gets it done when Redick was an expiring. Even now something similar gets it done. Maybe they get a 3rd team involved to take Redick and send someone younger back. This leaking like this could just be a way to advertise that to the league.
The real question is the timing of the pick and protection. Not if you get one. If you get one for 3 or 4 years away, with say, top 2 protection, does that hold more value than theirs in this years draft?
They finshed 6th overall, so it would be the 26th pick in the draft or something. Not sure how much value that holds.
I'd rather the one 3 or 4 years away. ... Actually planning for the future.
By blackace Go To PostAs long as he has a NTC I wouldn't bet on a pickI think the clippers, in particular, are also desperate.
If LAC are refusing to include a pick it becomes a question of how much of a cancer / distraction is Melo going to be going forward.
By giririsss Go To PostI think the clippers, in particular, are also desperate.The Clippers aren't in a great place but they hold the leverage in the trade
If LAC are refusing to include a pick it becomes a question of how much of a cancer / distraction is Melo going to be going forward.
By blackace Go To PostThe Clippers aren't in a great place but they hold the leverage in the tradeDo they?
I wouldn't go that far..
By giririsss Go To PostDo they?Without Melo they are still a playoff team and can explore other trades for other players or even try to swap a star... While that NTC-means he can only be traded to a select few teams... doesn't mean that the trade can't happen but they have the leverage
I wouldn't go that far..
By blackace Go To PostWithout Melo they are still a playoff team and can explore other trades for other players or even try to swap a star… While that NTC-means he can only be traded to a select few teams… doesn't mean that the trade can't happen but they have the leverageThey can explore other trades. But they need a trade. And only a certain few "super stars" will be looking at the situation and saying "yes plz".
By blackace Go To PostAs long as he has a NTC I wouldn't bet on a pick
Maybe a late first round.
By KingGondo Go To PostUmmMaybe he was happy that his big bro is gonna move on to greener pastures.
By KingGondo Go To PostUmmthat is interesting because ESPN had this story running...
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19319236/kristaps-porzingis-skipped-meeting-new-york-knicks-led-multiple-teams-inquire-potential-trade
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2017/2/23/14706374/nba-players-trolling-trade-hungry-fans-with-emojis
It could mean something, it could be trolling.
It could mean something, it could be trolling.