By DY_nasty Go To Postnbadraft.net is going back and editing more of their player comparisons smhKinda hate how most sites have to compare white players to white players and black to black
mario hezonja went from jr smith to rex chapman
By blackace Go To PostKinda hate how most sites have to compare white players to white players and black to blackHayward:
NBA Comparison: Luke Jackson/Mike Dunleavy Jr.
bwahaha
Also, why would you upgrade Mario's comparison?
http://www.nbadraft.net/players/deshawn-stevenson still the best
By diehard Go To PostHayward:i love the butthurt in it
NBA Comparison: Luke Jackson/Mike Dunleavy Jr.
bwahaha
Also, why would you upgrade Mario's comparison?
http://www.nbadraft.net/players/deshawn-stevenson still the best
[6/25/15 Edit: Scouting report and comparison to G.O.A.T. were written while Stevenson was in high school and assumed to be headed to Kansas. Lessen learned, never compare anyone to Michael Jordan. This was 2000, the site was just getting started. Go watch a tape of Stevenson in high school, he was incredible. One of the most spectacular 17 year old wings you could ever see. Not going to college had a catastrophic effect on him. It seems everyone enjoys dis-crediting our expertise by bringing up the year 2000 DeShawn Stevenson comparison to MJ. We never went back and changed his comparison after it was originally made. Apologies to MJ.... Hey the "Sports Leader" compared Marshawn Brooks to Kobe Bryant just a few years ago.The other large NBA draft site compared Greg Paulus to John Stockton. Nobody wants to bring that up?]
Has anyone been calculating how good draftexpress NBAdraft etc are at scouting?
Do we know who is more accurate and who has a higher percentage of predicting picks?
Do we know who is more accurate and who has a higher percentage of predicting picks?
By Moris Go To PostHas anyone been calculating how good draftexpress NBAdraft etc are at scouting?IIRC NBADraft.net mocks are much closer than Draftexpress. The latter also has a bad habit of letting their agendas get in the way. Givony was super in on Skal so when he bombed out, he shat on Simmons a lot to make up for him missing so hard on Skal.
Do we know who is more accurate and who has a higher percentage of predicting picks?
NBADraft.net actual scouting is ass tho
By knux-future Go To PostIIRC NBADraft.net mocks are much closer than Draftexpress. The latter also has a bad habit of letting their agendas get in the way. Givony was super in on Skal so when he bombed out, he shat on Simmons a lot to make up for him missing so hard on Skal.
NBADraft.net actual scouting is ass tho
My experience is that Draftexpress is the more accurate one and ususally within a week of the draft they will have a decent idea of players range.
Before the Chad Ford "rewrite" fiasco it was often thought the he and draft express were the most accurate. I don't know where the link is (I might be earlier in this thread) but someone posted how Draftexpress is ususally within 3 spaces of somebody will be drafted. Not that super accurate but it's better than the competition.
Then during the Draft Woj would be tweeting who goes where like two picks ahead of the broadcast likely due to agents letting him know what's happening with their clients behind the scenes.
If my team hires Joe Dumars...
I'll still go to games, but I will be moderately unhappy about the hire!
I'll still go to games, but I will be moderately unhappy about the hire!
By Kibner Go To PostIf my team hires Joe Dumars…Dumars does have a chip doe.
I'll still go to games, but I will be moderately unhappy about the hire!
maybe he learned not to sign people who hate playing basketball to big contracts.
By knux-future Go To PostIIRC NBADraft.net mocks are much closer than Draftexpress. The latter also has a bad habit of letting their agendas get in the way. Givony was super in on Skal so when he bombed out, he shat on Simmons a lot to make up for him missing so hard on Skal.seems like nbadraft.net actually knows what teams are drafting maybe by knowing scouts for teams or something but their outlooks are not that good
NBADraft.net actual scouting is ass tho
By Kibner Go To PostIf my team hires Joe Dumars…I kinda like Joe tho... he will forever be plagued by drafting Darko but there are much worst hires.. Like Billy King
I'll still go to games, but I will be moderately unhappy about the hire!
By masud Go To PostDumars deserves another shot, plenty of guys with worse resumes have gotten one.
He spent the last several years of his time in Detroit proving he had no idea what he was doing. I'd be really wary of hiring an old-school player who the game passed by in 2008 in the analytics era.
By livefromkyoto Go To PostHe spent the last several years of his time in Detroit proving he had no idea what he was doing. I'd be really wary of hiring an old-school player who the game passed by in 2008 in the analytics era.Watching the game from afar for almost ten years can give someone insight.. just because he didn't embrace what the whole NBA was 50/50 on at the time doesn't mean he would refuse to now...
eh... i'm willing to blame ownership in detroit before i blame dumars directly. it really looked like they were trying to 'stay competitive' when their window was clearly slammed shut
some times owners just want a team to stay 'competitive' when its just not the best option in the long-term
some times owners just want a team to stay 'competitive' when its just not the best option in the long-term
By DY_nasty Go To Posteh… i'm willing to blame ownership in detroit before i blame dumars directly. it really looked like they were trying to 'stay competitive' when their window was clearly slammed shutHis biggest mistake was Darko... and that was a BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIG one...
some times owners just want a team to stay 'competitive' when its just not the best option in the long-term
By blackace Go To PostHis biggest mistake was Darko… and that was a BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIG one…Not his fault Larry Brown killed that kids love for basketball.
By DY_nasty Go To PostNot his fault Larry Brown killed that kids love for basketball.I know we love to blame Larry for everything from the dollar crashing to DJ crying in the car but he only coached him 2 years and he knew he wasn't playing much behind the Wallaces and Okur... He couldnt even get burn under Flip... and Flip loved everyone
we'll probably have wall locked up into his 30's with him making all nba so that's cool, and the core is still young
we need to take a gamble with switching up the front court--gortat needs to go
we need to take a gamble with switching up the front court--gortat needs to go
By Dark PhaZe Go To Postwe'll probably have wall locked up into his 30's with him making all nba so that's cool, and the core is still youngMaybe you can swing a trade with the Raptors, Magic or Kings.
we need to take a gamble with switching up the front court–gortat needs to go
By Dark PhaZe Go To Postwe'll probably have wall locked up into his 30's with him making all nba so that's cool, and the core is still young
we need to take a gamble with switching up the front court–gortat needs to go
Isn't this the last year of his contract?
By Kuma Go To PostIsn't this the last year of his contract?
nah, end of 18-19
GarPax held their press conference today. There's a whole bunch of quotable things, so just peep at these three timelines:
https://twitter.com/vgoodwill
https://twitter.com/KCJHoop
https://twitter.com/highkin
https://twitter.com/vgoodwill
https://twitter.com/KCJHoop
https://twitter.com/highkin
By reilo Go To PostShe is so much better for the players than the crooked hack they had before.
By Kibner Go To PostShe is so much better for the players than the crooked hack they had before.Not just the players but the league, too. The fact that everything feels smooth and cordial between the owners and players is good for the league. Adam Silver not being a giant dick (aka David Stern) also helps.
By reilo Go To Post
unless she can prove he leaked the baby mother story she can kick rocks. Dude called Melo a hall a famer, an amazing scorer but questioned his game the same way analyst do everywhere and said he wanted to trade him...... it's his job to try and trade him the NTC just means Melo can veto it.
If Melo wasn't friends with CP3 this probably would be dead by now
By reilo Go To PostStill defending Phil, eh? What about his "posse" remark?
I'm Afro Latino/Black I and didn't appreciate that statement at all. The NBPA wants to get him fined for that dog whistle. Great
What does that have to do with this? Like what is the end game of this complaint? a fine? Dolan doesn't give a fuck? Melo isn't even the problem with the team but it should try to reboot sooner than later.
We literally just stopped talking about Melo and this interview has us talking about him again.
He talks sideways on everybody...... he won rings with dudes and wrote books about them not being shit. He's a dick
Phil's been throwing Jabs and working on a trade and Melo played coy and said "Nothing was brought to me, idk about these rumors, etc, etc". So Phil being a dick made it that Carmelo couldn't side step the issue.
Here's the fact we want to move you. Now he's running to the union for support but Phil didn't do anything wrong and Melo can stay if he wants,
The only shaming has been the baby revelation and they have to prove "beyond a popular meme" that Phil did it. Phil being a dick he might have, we don't know.
Phil's been throwing Jabs and working on a trade and Melo played coy and said "Nothing was brought to me, idk about these rumors, etc, etc". So Phil being a dick made it that Carmelo couldn't side step the issue.
Here's the fact we want to move you. Now he's running to the union for support but Phil didn't do anything wrong and Melo can stay if he wants,
The only shaming has been the baby revelation and they have to prove "beyond a popular meme" that Phil did it. Phil being a dick he might have, we don't know.
His self-made problem shouldn't result in attempting to solve it by being a giant asshole. It's turning off your best player and franchise cornerstone (KP! Why'd he skip out on his exit interview?), and with the NBAPA stepping in, it will make it even more difficult to high-caliber stars to even want to play there. The NBA circle is small and everyone talks. They know which franchises to avoid.
The Knicks currently have issues beyond just building a contender, their culture fucking sucks and that's all on Phil.
The Knicks currently have issues beyond just building a contender, their culture fucking sucks and that's all on Phil.
Also I think it should be clarified I am pro trade Melo wayyyyy more than I am pro Phil. I remember when he came back I was on here saying "good that means we can trade him eventually" and that was before KP was even here. You got to flip assets to ever build something.
By reilo Go To PostHis self-made problem shouldn't result in attempting to solve it by being a giant asshole. It's turning off your best player and franchise cornerstone (KP! Why'd he skip out on his exit interview?), and with the NBAPA stepping in, it will make it even more difficult to high-caliber stars to even want to play there. The NBA circle is small and everyone talks. They know which franchises to avoid.
The Knicks currently have issues beyond just building a contender, their culture fucking sucks and that's all on Phil.
What stars are coming to NY in the next two years? They couldn't get stars when Melo was in his prime so why focus on getting them now? Also Phil for all his smarts isn't dumb. He did the typical knick move of going after "Stars" in FA and its getting him crucified. Why should he continue to do that?
As for KP, he is smart enough to know Melo makes his life easier, and "Dad" Melo is a real thing. However history shows that stars leave because after they get there money they realize they are on a team that isn't "good enough" and bounce. I believe that is a bigger risk for KP leaving than 5-6 years from now as a UFA he still holds a grudge about a GM's moves who left 4 years ago.
So if the Knicks are smart you got to start tanking sooner or later. (Luka Brazi or bust). Melo who actually is still a high level player (fuck the hate) is likely gonna drag the Knicks to another 30 win season next year. In a year that the. draft looks to have 2-4 really good prospects. That makes Melo a liability.
The Knicks got the Raptors, Philly and the Celtics in your division. So potential stud teams now, in the future, and both. And as a GM your plan is to keep Drafting in the 8-12 or do you say fuck that cycle of failure, try to flip Melo for a easier moved "significant player" asset, and tank for a chance at higher quality assets to fit in KP's (a top 3 young player in the division) prime window? I think the answer is pull a hinkie. Fuck Melo's feelings.
Ya'll know I am right but that Knicks hate is STRONG
Knicks culture is trash, full-stop. It's been that way for going on decades now. You can draft well all you want but the management hasn't been just inept they've been shitty human beings in and out of the office. That's on Dolan, obviously, as well.
If you think that's hating then you're too preoccupied thinking ping pong balls will save you to see what's a systemic issue in the Knicks organization. Ping pong balls won't save you as long as your owner keeps being an asshole and hires assholes to act like assholes. You can be an asshole (Olshey is one), but I'd be damned if you'll see success if you treat every one of your players like shit.
If you think that's hating then you're too preoccupied thinking ping pong balls will save you to see what's a systemic issue in the Knicks organization. Ping pong balls won't save you as long as your owner keeps being an asshole and hires assholes to act like assholes. You can be an asshole (Olshey is one), but I'd be damned if you'll see success if you treat every one of your players like shit.
By reilo Go To PostKnicks culture is trash, full-stop. It's been that way for going on decades now. You can draft well all you want but the management hasn't been just inept they've been shitty human beings in and out of the office. That's on Dolan, obviously, as well.
If you think that's hating then you're too preoccupied thinking ping pong balls will save you to see what's a systemic issue in the Knicks organization. Ping pong balls won't save you as long as your owner keeps being an asshole and hires assholes to act like assholes. You can be an asshole (Olshey is one), but I'd be damned if you'll see success if you treat every one of your players like shit.
See now your pulling a Knicks suck lol. GM's treat players like shit all the time. We had this same discussion when this news broke and I brought up Wade as an example the way shittier move (cause Wade deserved more from Miami) and Riley since then himself basically confirmed that.
But none of that has a bearing on the decision Phil has to make cause it he literally said he is gonna pull a Hinkie and just be in NY for the losing
Do you think Phil should appease Melo, or tank? Put the hate of Dolan (who i hate more than you) and how the Knicks treat people aside. Do you let Melo drag the team to 30 something wins and go from a top draft spot or a 7-12 spot so he can be in NYC and go to family therapy? Also fun fact Melo has an opt out to next year, so he can just dip too.
Riley didn't do shit like Phil is doing while Wade was under contract. And Riley did that after he built a franchise that won 3 rings in under a decade. That's the false equivalency.
And I think Phil should keep his shit in house rather than talk shit about the guy he gave a NTC to in public. It's a novel idea, I know.
And I think Phil should keep his shit in house rather than talk shit about the guy he gave a NTC to in public. It's a novel idea, I know.
By reilo Go To PostRiley didn't do shit like Phil is doing while Wade was under contract. And Riley did that after he built a franchise that won 3 rings in under a decade. That's the false equivalency.
And I think Phil should keep his shit in house rather than talk shit about the guy he gave a NTC to in public. It's a novel idea, I know.
See you can avoid the answer but It's pretty clear.... You Flip Melo. The NTC is why he has to talk this shit in public. He can't even begin to move Melo if Melo keeps saying "I don't know anything about a trade, I told Phil come to me when he has offers and he hasn't come to". How does that make Phil look when he is trying to get offers if it seems like he isn't serious at even trying to get a deal cause Melo keeps saying Phil hasn't approached him.
All Melo has to say is "I am not going to go" but the second he does that the mouth breathers on Knicks realgm and the media will turn on him cause it will be clear he isn't about winning and justs wants to be in NY. The Lola story made him using his family a non issue too cause we know he's been cheating..... if Phil did do it he definitely got Melo in a corner.
By s y Go To Postand zues still doesn't know what he was talking about with the riley/wade deal.
It was a shitty move, but he felt had to do it. In hindsight he didn't have to do it (and let's Bosh bounce) and regrets it. Wade & Bosh's Agent got greedy sure, but Riley could of been sentimental too and would be way more justified to be that way than Phil.
By Zeus Ex Machina Go To PostSee you can avoid the answer but It's pretty clear…. You Flip Melo. The NTC is why he has to talk this shit in public. He can't even begin to move Melo if Melo keeps saying "I don't know anything about a trade, I told Phil come to me when he has offers and he hasn't come to". How does that make Phil look when he is trying to get offers if it seems like he isn't serious at even trying to get a deal cause Melo keeps saying Phil hasn't approached him.No, oh god no, he doesn't. Your entire perspective on this is warped. If he's intent on moving Melo, work with him behind the scenes like every well established FO would. Playing it out in the media is childish and incompetency.
All Melo has to say is "I am not going to go" but the second he does that the mouth breathers on Knicks realgm and the media will turn on him cause it will be clear he isn't about winning and justs wants to be in NY. The Lola story made him using his family a non issue too cause we know he's been cheating….. if Phil did do it he definitely got Melo in a corner.
Melo is a cancer who's hamstrung the Knicks for years and he has to go. Jackson is a senile incompetent jackass who also has to go. It's not an either or thing both sides suck, which makes sense since we're talking about both sides of the Knicks.
I don't think KP is in favor of tanking out right. And if you can't trade melo, you're not going to be bad enough to be a bottom 4 team.