By KingGondo Go To PostMy salt is assured. We might not win the series, but at the very least Russ is getting that trophy.
You also seem awfully confident for someone about to experience Playoff D'Antoni.
Remind me again why I'm supposed to be scared of the fuking thunder
yall ain't the warriors
By Smokey Go To PostRemind me again why I'm supposed to be scared of the fuking thunder:lol
yall ain't the warriors
damn
By jjasper Go To PostTony Allen out for the first round well that suckssuweep
I swear, the Thunder become a worse team every season since the 2012 Finals run and Gondo keeps arguing that they are better and better than ever before.
Lol I haven't said that.
We've had a couple teams better than the 2012 team (including the 2013 team) but obviously we're worse this season.
We've had a couple teams better than the 2012 team (including the 2013 team) but obviously we're worse this season.
By giririsss Go To PostRuss as MVP feels so fraudulent.I'd honestly rather have Kawhi win it than Westbrook. At least it would have been consistent with what MVP has meant the past few seasons (most wins > best stats).
Scust.
Wins when playing - Name (PTS / REB / AST / STL/ BLK) TS%
51 wins - Durant (25.1 / 8.3 / 4.9 / 1.1 / 1.6) 65.1%
54 wins - Leonard (25.5 / 5.8 / 3.5 / 1.8 / 0.7) 61.1%
54 wins - Harden (29.1 / 8.1 / 11.2 / 1.5 / 0.5) 61.3%
51 wins - Thomas (28.9 / 2.7 / 5.9 / 0.9 / 0.2) 62.5%
51 wins - James (26.4 / 8.6 / 8.7 / 1.2 / 0.6) 61.9%
By blackace Go To PostI still love that Harden has almost 500 turnovers..2015-16 AST:TO ratio:
Harden: 1.64
2016-17 AST:TO ratio:
Harden: 1.95
Westbrook: 1.92
Think Westbrook's 258 more field goal misses are worse than the 26 turnover disparity. Maybe if Harden had the advantage of playing with a center like Adams to box out for him, or had all those misses, he'd be able to hit the arbitrary 10 rebound mark, too.
The recency bias is almost as if people want to push a certain narrative and story because it makes for more $$$.
Harden and Kawhi are both the more deserving in terms of what they do to get their team to win and how they improve the rest of their team to play better along with their great stats.
I don't agree with Draymond being Defensive Player of the Year either. Gobert really should have won it, or Kawhi Leonard 3-peat it. Draymond is a great defensive player and is one of the most versatile but Gobert is #1 in nearly every single defensive metric in basketball statistics this year.
As much as chandlerparsons likes to single me out of all the Dubstans here, throughout the season I've been saying Harden or Kawhi as MVP and praising Harden the entire year. Despite all the shit before the season started and everything, he put in work and that shows it.
Harden and Kawhi are both the more deserving in terms of what they do to get their team to win and how they improve the rest of their team to play better along with their great stats.
I don't agree with Draymond being Defensive Player of the Year either. Gobert really should have won it, or Kawhi Leonard 3-peat it. Draymond is a great defensive player and is one of the most versatile but Gobert is #1 in nearly every single defensive metric in basketball statistics this year.
As much as chandlerparsons likes to single me out of all the Dubstans here, throughout the season I've been saying Harden or Kawhi as MVP and praising Harden the entire year. Despite all the shit before the season started and everything, he put in work and that shows it.
By IWMTB19 Go To PostJazz-Rockets WCF.Which alternate universe? The one where the Nazis won?
It's happening......
Though knowing the Knicks the 76ers or somebody will take Frank if it's known the Knicks like him
By shun Go To PostThe recency bias is almost as if people want to push a certain narrative and story because it makes for more $$$.Exactly. What Harden and Kawhi do is in service of their team, while Westbrook's teammates are there to serve his stats.
Harden and Kawhi are both the more deserving in terms of what they do to get their team to win and how they improve the rest of their team to play better along with their great stats.
I don't agree with Draymond being Defensive Player of the Year either. Gobert really should have won it, or Kawhi Leonard 3-peat it. Draymond is a great defensive player and is one of the most versatile but Gobert is #1 in nearly every single defensive metric in basketball statistics this year.
As much as chandlerparsons likes to single me out of all the Dubstans here, throughout the season I've been saying Harden or Kawhi as MVP and praising Harden the entire year. Despite all the shit before the season started and everything, he put in work and that shows it.
In my defence, it's only you and pilon1v, and all I recall him saying is 'Fuck the Rockets'. On the whole, I like your 'fuck Lacob' stance and your food pics.
By reilo Go To PostWhich alternate universe? The one where the Nazis won?
That was hands down the stupidest fucking timeline.
Oh no, don't kill Doll Man.
By Omzz Go To PostColangelo will take him guaranteed
By reilo Go To PostColangelo will find out he's 1/24th Italian and trade Embiid for the #1 pick so he can draft him.
Ya'll laugh but as a knicks fan.... I seen shit to justify my paranoia
By blackace Go To Postno one is laughingI am now 😂👏🏻
By giririsss Go To PostRuss as MVP feels so fraudulent.If you're capable of hating on what Russ has done this year then you hate fun and/or basketball.
Scust.
By KingGondo Go To PostIf you're capable of hating on what Russ has done this year then you hate fun and/or basketball.lol ok
I personally don't understand defending every average or below average player Presti has acquired since the Harden trade for several years and then arguing against them as a means to promote Russ to MVP today.
I don't understand how saying "Russ as MVP is fraudulent" is the same as hating the individual achievement he has made this year.
I'm pretty sure giri knows and appreciates the historical numbers YNB is putting. Most people if not everyone here thinks that what YNB did this year is amazing. We all praise the achievement, but can criticize the means he's taken to achieve it when discussing whether or not that historic year translates to MVP.
Does that averaging a triple double translate into being a league MVP when other players have proven that they can not only carry a team, but make all those around them better and win more?
Some say yes, some say no. Those who say no don't automatically hate Westbrook's achievements, and thus hate basketball like you seem to insinuate.
Bill Simmons is enjoying every fucking minute of this, but he doesn't think Westbrook is MVP and he thinks it's wrong to vote him as one. Zach Lowe and several other reporters feel the same way.
We're not riding the Royce Young and Brian Windhorst school of Basketball Standing.
I'm pretty sure giri knows and appreciates the historical numbers YNB is putting. Most people if not everyone here thinks that what YNB did this year is amazing. We all praise the achievement, but can criticize the means he's taken to achieve it when discussing whether or not that historic year translates to MVP.
Does that averaging a triple double translate into being a league MVP when other players have proven that they can not only carry a team, but make all those around them better and win more?
Some say yes, some say no. Those who say no don't automatically hate Westbrook's achievements, and thus hate basketball like you seem to insinuate.
Bill Simmons is enjoying every fucking minute of this, but he doesn't think Westbrook is MVP and he thinks it's wrong to vote him as one. Zach Lowe and several other reporters feel the same way.
We're not riding the Royce Young and Brian Windhorst school of Basketball Standing.
Things I didn't know: the Raptors' play by play guy Matt Devlin (who used to do the Grizzlies & Bobcats as well) is rich AF, more than most of the players.
His family is loaded:
http://www.chron.com/business/energy/article/Houston-s-high-paid-executives-in-energy-business-2015997.php
I can't imagine the dedication it takes to come from that to sitting there having Leo Rautins tell you how he thinks basketball works. If I had money like that I would just be living on an island somewhere flying in my MLG pro Destiny coach on weekdays.
His family is loaded:
Robert Devlin, American General's chairman and chief executive officer, earned $45 million in 1999.
Devlin fell to the 10th place on the recent list (he earned $27,272,697 in 2000). But according to a source familiar with American General's compensation packages, Devlin will receive about $200 million in stock options and other incentives in 2001 as a result of American International Group's purchase of American General.
http://www.chron.com/business/energy/article/Houston-s-high-paid-executives-in-energy-business-2015997.php
I can't imagine the dedication it takes to come from that to sitting there having Leo Rautins tell you how he thinks basketball works. If I had money like that I would just be living on an island somewhere flying in my MLG pro Destiny coach on weekdays.
By KingGondo Go To PostIf you're capable of hating on what Russ has done this year then you hate fun and/or basketball.Quite the opposite. Russ has turned basketball into a pure stats game. he's not playing basketball, he's playing "Check my $tat$"
By blackace Go To PostBesides let's be honest if anyone knows about fraudulent MVPs it's Suns fans…Ok Simmons.
I guess you can give it to Russ that by definition... he is the most valuable player to the team, but I always believed there was an unwritten rule (in any sport for that matter) that your team has to have some degree of success to be crowned best player of that respective league. Football (soccer) is the same, really the best players are usually awarded to the team that has one the league or at least challenged for the title in some way.
I dont see how russ can be crowned mvp when you look at the precedent
I dont see how russ can be crowned mvp when you look at the precedent
By giririsss Go To PostQuite the opposite. Russ has turned basketball into a pure stats game. he's not playing basketball, he's playing "Check my $tat$"What's our record this year when he gets a triple double versus when he doesn't? I'll take my answer off the air.
"I'm not hating on Russ, I'm calling him a fraudulent MVP and here are several paragraphs explaining why averaging a triple double and having the best clutch-time stats in the league actually ISN'T that impressive."
FOH.
FOH.
He certainly had the most memorable clutch season in a long time, especially over the last month. Besides, I don't think Rox fans want to play the "more wins" card when Kawhi is one of the contenders.
By giririsss Go To PostOk Simmons.Can't duck the truth bombs
Yeah i'm not hating on his MVP, but then again i never really cared much about it. I could see myself caring more if a Jazz player was in the running though.
By KingGondo Go To PostHe certainly had the most memorable clutch season in a long time, especially over the last month. Besides, I don't think Rox fans want to play the "more wins" card when Kawhi is one of the contenders.But Harden but up a Russ-like season with more wins so Kawhi shouldnt hurt him too much
Dakari Johnson had 27 and 8 in the D-league playoffs last night. Hoping we sign him as Steve's backup next year.
Dongo pulling a 3SP and making up non-existent points to argue against.
1st, 3rd, 1st, 1st, 1st, 4th, 1st, 2nd, 1st, 1st.
These are the positions each MVP's team finished in the regular season over the past decade.
3rd. 3rd.
This is where Oscar Robertson's team finished and where he finished in MVP voting when he averaged a triple-double.
Is what Westbrook did this regular season historic? Yes. Is it impressive? Of course. Is someone who led their team to the 10th best record in the NBA in 2016-17 worthy of MVP? Debatable. Giri and shun and everybody else in this thread have a right to disagree with the arbitrary criteria (triple-doubles, clutchness, on the flyness, fan loudness) you've set for what makes an MVP.
1st, 3rd, 1st, 1st, 1st, 4th, 1st, 2nd, 1st, 1st.
These are the positions each MVP's team finished in the regular season over the past decade.
3rd. 3rd.
This is where Oscar Robertson's team finished and where he finished in MVP voting when he averaged a triple-double.
Is what Westbrook did this regular season historic? Yes. Is it impressive? Of course. Is someone who led their team to the 10th best record in the NBA in 2016-17 worthy of MVP? Debatable. Giri and shun and everybody else in this thread have a right to disagree with the arbitrary criteria (triple-doubles, clutchness, on the flyness, fan loudness) you've set for what makes an MVP.
it is what it is, we all know the triple double is rare enough that it'll be used as the exception to the rule
if james would have known I'm sure he would have easily cheesed a couple more rebounds a game, but here we are
if james would have known I'm sure he would have easily cheesed a couple more rebounds a game, but here we are
By KingGondo Go To PostHe certainly had the most memorable clutch season in a long time, especially over the last month. Besides, I don't think Rox fans want to play the "more wins" card when Kawhi is one of the contenders.54 wins - Leonard (25.5 / 5.8 / 3.5 / 1.8 / 0.7) 61.1%
54 wins - Harden (29.1 / 8.1 / 11.2 / 1.5 / 0.5) 61.3%
Spurs have gone 7-1 without him. It's a pretty easy counter. Voters' recency bias on the other hand..
By Dark PhaZe Go To Postit is what it is, we all know the triple double is rare enough that it'll be used as the exception to the ruleIt's rare, and even when it was last done it didn't factor into an award that has primarily been about wins.
if james would have known I'm sure he would have easily cheesed a couple more rebounds a game, but here we are
If James played with a center who weighed 20 pounds more and wasn't paired with Ryan Anderson, maybe he could've gotten there. Alas, Harden's supporting cast isn't as talented as Westbrook's when it comes to that.
Houston out here trying to pretend their real MVP isn't Pringles.
Or that we need to be handing out trophies over 55 wins.
Or that we need to be handing out trophies over 55 wins.
By Dark PhaZe Go To PostHawks might sweep us low key
Starting to get a bad tingle
Nah, with the way your team has been playing this year, once rotations shrink you have a talent edge on almost everybody in the conference. I fully expect the Wizards to be in the Eastern Finals.
Phaze I know you posted something a while ago about the biggest turnaround after starting 2-8, did the Wizards end up finishing the most games over .500 after that start? 16 games over is pretty insane.