By FlutterPuffs Go To PostThere were so many factors for last year's Chelsea's absymal position that it's hard to pin it all on Mou.
Most Chelsea fans here agreed he wasnt THE problem from what I remembered.
The dressing room in Inter loved him when he left, and he got every ounce out of that squad. The dressing room in Real Madrid and Chelsea both were in open revolt and got him sacked. His motivational nous backfired. He was outmanuevered in the press. And the press loves no one more than Mou. (besides 'Arry) His us v. the world shtick hasn't worked.
It's not like he's immediately revitalized this United team either.
By n8 dogg Go To PostLa Liga's really stepped up in quality the last few years I think. Was always good with two superclubs but Atleti, Sevilla, Bilbao, Celta, Sociedad, Valencia all proving they can hang with the big boys when required, almost as if they improved due to the sheer challenge of bestig the hegemony. Think missing that nous can fuck things for Madrid, but ultimately their squad is just too strong.
Ancelotti is in this boat too. His league record is noticeably awful, considering his exceptional European record and some of the incredible squads he's worked with. Did well at Chelsea though.
By FlutterPuffs Go To PostCesc admitted he forgot how to play football
Costa came to the team fat after his holiday
Matic who was a rock the past season became absolute shit. So did Hazard
I'm not saying Mou was entirely blameless but fuck, last year the players probably were too relaxed after finally winning the title.
Sure. And it is the manager's job to make sure the team is ready to compete and motivated.
I loved Mourinho at Real Madrid, for me it was one of the best things to have happened to our club. We managed to beat Barcelona to the title and for a moment there was a solution to stopping Messi and co. It all went to shit when Casillas got injured and Diego was brought in to replace.
The counter attack was something else back then.
If he were at Madrid today I don't think Benzema, Bale or maybe even Ronaldo would be playing as much as they have been (when fit).
The counter attack was something else back then.
If he were at Madrid today I don't think Benzema, Bale or maybe even Ronaldo would be playing as much as they have been (when fit).
Mourinho was the reason we were shit last year. Pretending he doesn't routinely do this scorched earth crap before his way out is dishonest.
By Wedward Go To PostSure. And it is the manager's job to make sure the team is ready to compete and motivated.I agree, but it's also the players job to make sure that they perform themselves.
These are working adults that get paid millions to kick a ball on the pitch. I'm not giving Mou a pass here for last season, but the players are equally to be blamed.
By Perfect Blue Go To PostMourinho was the reason we were shit last year. Pretending he doesn't routinely do this scorched earth crap before his way out is dishonest.
are you sure it wasn't oscar's fault
Chelsea's players were the reason they were shit last year. Pretending they don't routinely do this scorched earth crap until their managers leave is dishonest.
Chelsea continued to be rather mediocre - albeit more stable - under Hiddink as well, though you could make the argument that he's just not a very good manager (at least not anymore).
I think there's a lot of factors as to why last season went the way it did for them and Mourinho is only a part of the jigsaw. Big or small.
I think there's a lot of factors as to why last season went the way it did for them and Mourinho is only a part of the jigsaw. Big or small.
By n8 dogg Go To Postare you sure it wasn't oscar's fault£60m says "no"
By Laboured Go To PostChelsea's players were the reason they were shit last year. Pretending they don't routinely do this scorched earth crap before their managers leave is dishonest.Nope. Besides Villas-Boas (who was a massive twat) the players have been pretty good, all things considered pre-Jose mk2.
You're just in denial because he's your manager now lol.
Has Rebecca Lowe died on the NBC broadcast? I was warming soup in the kitchen and she was coughing so much that they had to have Kyle Martino takeover while she excused herself. They've returned from two breaks now and she's still not there. Hope she's alright. :s
By Perfect Blue Go To PostNope. Besides Villas-Boas (who was a massive twat) the players have been pretty good, all things considered.
While Mou has fallen out with 2 groups of players in his career (Chelsea most recently and Real Madrid) I note that Chelsea's players have fallen out with the same number of managers.
By Perfect Blue Go To PostNope. Besides Villas-Boas (who was a massive twat) the players have been pretty good, all things considered pre-Jose mk2.fucking hell everything I typed was what I remembered.
You're just in denial because he's your manager now lol.
Even fact checked by googling AGAIN about last season.
By Bungie Go To PostGive me that Romeu equaliser
92nd minute Boufal gesundcunter
We all agree that Mourinho's abhorrent treatment of Carneiro on the opening day is what put everything in motion last year.
Blaming Mou for everything that happened is as silly as blaming it all on the players. The lines are fairly blurred and we will never hear the full story. But there's 3 parties that failed pretty hard here. The players, the manager and the often forgotten board. Don't forget it wasn't just the players fell out with however.
Costa was already home from holidays overweight at that point.
By GQman2121 Go To PostWe all agree that Mourinho's abhorrent treatment of Carneiro on the opening day is what put everything in motion last year.
Costa was already home from holidays overweight at that point.
By Laboured Go To PostWhile Mou has fallen out with 2 groups of players in his career (Chelsea most recently and Real Madrid) I note that Chelsea's players have fallen out with the same number of managers.Also note that AVB and Mourinho last season were twats. The trick seems to not be a shit manager with ego problems and you'll do fine
By GQman2121 Go To PostWe all agree that Mourinho's abhorrent treatment of Carneiro on the opening day is what put everything in motion last year.
but now chelsea have the best injury record in the world
he knew she was subpar. is it sexist to demand higher quality in the work place
I think NOT
To be fair regarding Real, that's a temp job for everyone.
And while Mou absolutely fucked up at Chelsea last time, you can't put it all on him. Hazard was missing for most of the season, well after Mou got the boot.
And while Mou absolutely fucked up at Chelsea last time, you can't put it all on him. Hazard was missing for most of the season, well after Mou got the boot.
By NinjaFridge Go To PostTo be fair regarding Real, that's a temp job for everyone.
99% of all manager jobs are.
By GQman2121 Go To PostWe all agree that Mourinho's abhorrent treatment of Carneiro on the opening day is what put everything in motion last year.Go back even further - the players being grilled for weeke over losing to NY Red Bulls in preseason started it then Eva's treatment.
By Perfect Blue Go To PostAlso note that AVB and Mourinho last season were twats. The trick seems to not be a shit manager with ego problems and you'll do fineWhat did Ranieri do wrong, then? 🌚
By Bungie Go To PostA win for chelsea is a win for the Torys and ukip
Think how pissed off Ken Livingston will be if Spurs do it
By GQman2121 Go To PostWe all agree that Mourinho's abhorrent treatment of Carneiro on the opening day is what put everything in motion last year.Trouble was brewing before that happened though.
I'd agree that just made everything worse, by putting Chelsea in the spotlight.
By Francis Go To PostWhat did Ranieri do wrong, then? 🌚IIRC Abramovich wanted him out not the players.
By WoodenPapangu Go To Post99% of all manager jobs are.You know what I mean.
By Perfect Blue Go To PostGo back even further - the players being grilled for weeke over losing to NY Red Bulls in preseason started it then Eva's treatment.That's probably true. The fact we bought no new players in likely didn't sit well with Mourinho either.
By Francis Go To PostWhat did Ranieri do wrong, then? 🌚
What the fuck are you talking about.
That was 100% a Roman playing FM move.
By Perfect Blue Go To PostIIRC Abramovich wanted him out not the players.
By WoodenPapangu Go To PostWhat the fuck are you talking about.
That was 100% a Roman playing FM move.
I'm fully aware of that. I meant with Leicester this season and I was simply jesting. Because he's such a nice and humble old man, it could happen to anyone.
Of course being a constant dick will sour your chances of being successful in the long haul with the same squad. The final outcome is inevitable - some are just better at prolonging it than others.
José got what he deserved at the same time as he was unjustly treated. If that makes any sense.
That defending by Yoshida Bertrand is incredible. Is it marking if you don't do anything when the ball is approaching?
By Ushojax Go To PostBertrand is so shit
He got Chelsea in his heart, and wanted to help Costa get going again. What a legend the champions league winner Bertrand is.
Does the fact that plenty of managers have come and gone at Chelsea and accomplished similar feats as Mourinho bolster his resume (he's built an incredible foundation; the spine of the team is Mourinho's) or undermine it (managers at Chelsea - and most megarich clubs - are a fungible good, easily replaceable)?
It's the Avram Grant dilemma, isn't it?
I genuinely see both sides, though I think it's far more telling when a club completely falls apart after their manager leaves. SAF at United, Rafa (!) at Liverpool, and, yes, Mou at Inter.
It's the Avram Grant dilemma, isn't it?
I genuinely see both sides, though I think it's far more telling when a club completely falls apart after their manager leaves. SAF at United, Rafa (!) at Liverpool, and, yes, Mou at Inter.
Have many managers been able to match Mou? Ancelotti the only one to win the league since, and fuck giving RDM credit for the CL, that was some bullshit. Would argue Benitez was the best aside from Ancelotti in between the Mou years.
By FlutterPuffs Go To PostReally like Alonso.He has exceeded all expectations by quite a distance.