By Kibner Go To Post
He looks like an oompa loompa. The Giant Clothes™ era is not going to age well, sorry Nas.
By Dark PhaZe Go To PostHe has a fading mid range form that doesn't translate well to the 3. Happens with a lot of guards that like to dribble into the mid range shot. Still though he's shot the ball enough that he should at least be shooting in the low .30's.
See, I would never pick up on something like that because my formative basketball watching years revolved around Vince Carter, who is so contact-averse he probably fades away while hugging his mom. But the guy can drain threes.
yall really think the Lakers are going to lose this pick? If rigged lotteries are a thing, they will damn sure make sure the Lakers don't lose it this year. If they do, they are pretty fucked (as they also won't have a pick in 2019..which goes to the Magic). The Lakers being bad is probably killing ratings.
that envelope is already frozen.
that envelope is already frozen.
By Dark PhaZe Go To PostI don't know that I wouldn't blame the internet more than anything else at this point. When you've got a chance to get a full ride scholarship and all the information you need online to get an edge I'm not sure if LeBron's roided up ass is the greatest motivation for doing it.That's sort of the point and the slope you can't get people to embrace and jump off the cliff to find out about , though.
I have no doubt people are doing it at that level. The benefits are there.
But once you make it legal you start an arms race. One that you don't really know the long term down side to, for kids who start on this path at age 10. Or age 8.
But you also then make the sport as much about who has the best PED's, than you do about the best players. Yeah yeah, i know they're in use. But removing that rule fundamentally changes a core aspect. Changes the whole name of the game.
It's a silly argument that has no real upside, and only potential downsides.
By giririsss Go To PostIt's a silly argument that has no real upside, and only potential downsides.Wholeheartedly agree.
"Everyone is doing it already" isn't a great counter-argument. It just means that pro leagues aren't doing enough to deter it.
By giririsss Go To PostPHI got Embiid over Wiggins/Parker (this one could take a while to play out)Embiid has played 31 games in three years. Parker is better than Wiggins, but he's now torn his ACL twice.
I don't know, but Wiggins isn't good.
By reilo Go To PostAndrew Wiggins is 21 years old. People need to calm down.
This is something that most modern day NBA fans don't want to do. They want results instantly from their lottery picks. Sometimes it happens, but most time it doesn't. Especially considering the fact that most of these kids are 19/20 years old barely playing their first NBA games. Look at someone like Giannis, he always had the tools but this is the first year he's really put it together. Steph Curry blossomed pretty late, as well.
For every LeBron in the lottery there is another 15 Johnny Flynns or Adam Morrisons.
But this season hasn’t gone exactly as planned. The Cavs have the 23rd-ranked defense (with a rating of 108.1). It’s a troublesome statistic, considering only one of the last 74 NBA Finals participants (the 2000–01 Lakers) had a relative defensive rating worse than the league average, per research by Numberfire. NBA executives and scouts I’ve talked to tell me Cleveland’s issues include natural fatigue after two Finals runs, uninterest in defense, poor coaching by Tyronn Lue, and no bench help for Thompson. As one scout put it, “Their depth is a shit show.”https://theringer.com/cleveland-cavaliers-kevin-love-andrew-wiggins-nba-trade-c39d8a560866
By giririsss Go To PostBut you also then make the sport as much about who has the best PED's, than you do about the best players. Yeah yeah, i know they're in use. But removing that rule fundamentally changes a core aspect. Changes the whole name of the game.Nonsense. The NBA title wouldn't become the PED championship. It's not like if you gave the Hawks the best PEDs on the market they're suddenly contenders.
PEDs didn't make Barry Bonds great and they don't make LeBron great either. PEDs make already great athletes better and more durable.
There might be some fringe cases where a guy who isn't juicing misses out on a roster spot to a guy who is, but I really don't think it's possible to regulate PEDs out of existence without hurting the game via draconian suspensions (and you'll never do that anyways with any semblance of a players' union).
By rodeoclown Go To PostEmbiid has played 31 games in three years. Parker is better than Wiggins, but he's now torn his ACL twice.
I don't know, but Wiggins isn't good.
Yeah, it 's a weird one.
If all are healthy, Embiid is the best player.
Would jabari be better than wiggins if he could stay on the court? Possibly.
Wiggins seems to be playing better as the season has gone a long and he isn't forced to create everything on his own. He's putting up 23ppg, his 3pt % has gone up to .355.
By reilo Go To PostAndrew Wiggins is 21 years old. People need to calm down.I just haven't seen a ton of tangible improvement from him since his rookie year, which is why I've been down on him. I guess his jumper has improved and now he's merely a below average shooter, but the same things he did as a rookie are what he does in year three. (And I'd say that increased reliance in his jumper has hurt his efficiency, since he doesn't get to the line as much.)
No defense, scoring in bunches and not much else. I'm not saying he won't be more, but we're heading into year four with a decision about whether or not to give him $100M+ and that's scary.
Wiggins has also seen three different coaches in three different seasons. Thibs was also implementing the absolute wrong system for the skillset of his core players to start the season (I don't need to tell you that, of course), so there's quite a bit to that. Is he the next great SG? TBD, but I highly doubt he's the next Tyreke Evans or Rudy Gay.
By KingGondo Go To PostNonsense. The NBA title wouldn't become the PED championship. It's not like if you gave the Hawks the best PEDs on the market they're suddenly contenders.
PEDs didn't make Barry Bonds great and they don't make LeBron great either. PEDs make already great athletes better and more durable.
There might be some fringe cases where a guy who isn't juicing misses out on a roster spot to a guy who is, but I really don't think it's possible to regulate PEDs out of existence without hurting the game via draconian suspensions (and you'll never do that anyways with any semblance of a players' union).
PEDS fundamentally changes large aspects of the whole sport. To bury your head in the sand on that is ridiculous. Lets ignore that it will fundamentally change what players are on the court and for how long a game they will be there.
Teams with better PED's will start winning against teams with worse PED's, over the course of a season. Or if that's the deciding factor in who wins a chip, it largely degrades the value of it.
"But that's the same as teams with better medical staff!!!!". Medical staff are needed because these are humans. They'll get sick and injured. PED's aren't NEEDED.
And LBJ is definitely boosted by his PED's regime. The mid season miami trip certainly turned around a poor start. Drugs didn't make Bonds have great co-ordination. But they certainly increased his performance above where it would naturally have gotten too.
And this have it all or nothing stance is ... i can't think of the word. It's not how it works. It's never how it works in reality. For anything. There are always going to be people trying to cheat no matter what you do. You don't throw in the towel and say "fuck it, lets ALL cheat".
I'm actually surprised Thibs isn't getting roasted for his job this year, honestly. The Kris Dunn pick when you have Rubio becomes even crazier when you realize that Thibs was forced to move him to SG. He completely misjudged him out of college. (And probably should've drafted Jamal Murray if the end result is the same, taking an off guard.) His free agent class of Rush, Aldrich and Hill has produced less than zero. His coaching job has generally been miserable (the offense, his handling of Tyus, the minutes allocations).
Yea, and that's part of my point. We're expecting a young high school kid with supreme talent (and potential talent) to just blossom into a All-Star caliber player when the development staff around him has been in such flux. Thibs shitty first year coaching is probably doing more harm to his development than good. Wiggins just hasn't been in a good position to succeed.
Steph blossom? late cause he's like 1/8th saiayajin and got a near death boost after destroying his ankles twice. He always had the skill and the ability, it was just durability.
Looking back retrospectively, I am almost glad that Eric Gordon almost destroyed Steph's career.
Someone who's truly a late blossom is Kyle Lowry. How many players can you say make such a sharp turnaround at that stage of his career?
Looking back retrospectively, I am almost glad that Eric Gordon almost destroyed Steph's career.
Someone who's truly a late blossom is Kyle Lowry. How many players can you say make such a sharp turnaround at that stage of his career?
By knux-future Go To Postyall really think the Lakers are going to lose this pick? If rigged lotteries are a thing, they will damn sure make sure the Lakers don't lose it this year. If they do, they are pretty fucked (as they also won't have a pick in 2019..which goes to the Magic). The Lakers being bad is probably killing ratings.
that envelope is already frozen.
Give us the first pick so I know the fix is real
By IWMTB19 Go To PostJokic would go #1 in a 2014 redraft.
No idea who would go #2.
I'd think it would be Embiid. 3-5 would be Wiggins, Parker, Nurkic, then Saric and LaVine?
Amazing that the best guy in that draft was picked #41. Would imagine that's never the case. You could maybe make it for 2006 with Milsapp at #47 but the first round had LMA & Lowry. 2000 with Michael Redd in the second round is the only other time you could clearly say it in the last 20-30 years
By pilonv1 Go To PostI'd think it would be Embiid. 3-5 would be Wiggins, Parker, Nurkic, then Saric and LaVine?
Amazing that the best guy in that draft was picked #41. Would imagine that's never the case. You could maybe make it for 2006 with Milsapp at #47 but the first round had LMA & Lowry. 2000 with Michael Redd in the second round is the only other time you could clearly say it in the last 20-30 years
1999 draft is a maybe? Outside of Elton Brand and Steve Francis.
By knux-future Go To Postyall really think the Lakers are going to lose this pick? If rigged lotteries are a thing, they will damn sure make sure the Lakers don't lose it this year. If they do, they are pretty fucked (as they also won't have a pick in 2019..which goes to the Magic). The Lakers being bad is probably killing ratings.
that envelope is already frozen.
I just don't want them to have the worst record. Nets decided to try hard all of sudden.
Looking back all the drafts from 2007 to 2012 have been pretty solid. 2013 to now, we'll see.
Gobert Giannis and Nerlens are the only decent products from 2013?
KCP thought he would be better by now, but maybe that's just playing for Pistons.
Gobert Giannis and Nerlens are the only decent products from 2013?
KCP thought he would be better by now, but maybe that's just playing for Pistons.
By shun Go To PostLooking back all the drafts from 2007 to 2012 have been pretty solid. 2013 to now, we'll see.
Gobert Giannis and Nerlens are the only decent products from 2013?
KCP thought he would be better by now, but maybe that's just playing for Pistons.
Porter looks pretty good this season, not sure how much of that is contract year voodoo though.
'13 is a pretty solid draft. A lot of serviceable guys there; Zeller, CJ McCollum, Adams, Olynyk, Shroder.
By Kabro Go To PostRicky Rubio shooting well.He is not available, thank you very much.
I've got a lowkey hotness for him.
I'd trade for him in a heartbeat.
In fact, Wolves owner Glen Taylor said the team wasn’t actively shopping Rubio at any point.
“We weren’t serious about trading him, but I will say that we had a number of other teams that called us up and asked us if we would trade him,” said Taylor, who also owns the Star Tribune. “The coach [Tom Thibodeau] didn’t want to and I didn’t want to, so we never got into any serious discussions.”
What about all of those Rubio-to-New York rumors?
“New York called us at one time and asked if we would trade him, and we said no,” Taylor said.
By DY_nasty Go To Posti have to go back into the past and rectify whatever mistake led to rubio being decentHe has been a beast... a little too late in the season but if he can keep that for next year
By IWMTB19 Go To PostMan, the Cavs have been terrible this year.I can't believe how don't give a flying fuck on defense they are.
By Doomsayer Go To PostPorter looks pretty good this season, not sure how much of that is contract year voodoo though.CJ was 2013 draft? My bad. Yeah looking at the list again 2013 was a pretty good draft outside of the top picks.
'13 is a pretty solid draft. A lot of serviceable guys there; Zeller, CJ McCollum, Adams, Olynyk, Shroder.
People were just hyping up 2014 and 2015 so much that 2013 looked bad. Part of it was MCW rookie of the year.
Just checked the Bulls roster, how are the Cavs even letting them in the game? There's like 3 NBA level players on that team