It'll be a nightmare for the league if ever suffers MLB like scrutiny
Lets hope it can just keep flying under the radar
Lets hope it can just keep flying under the radar
By s y Go To PostWestbrooks cheek literally got caved in and played the next game.
Are we supposed to care about PEDs? Everybody uses them and for good reason.
PEDs wouldn't help with that specifically. That's just pure will and good painkillers.
By Trey Go To PostPEDs wouldn't help with that specifically. That's just pure will and good painkillers.Ah yeah, didn't phrase that right. Westbrook is a cyborg with or without PEDs. Same with Lebron. They're freaks and just built differently.
By diehard Go To PostHGH is an illicit drug unless prescribed, and it has health risks.Owners are operating under the assumption that "purity" from PEDs is something worth maintaining for whatever reason. Whether it's their own anti-drug attitudes or fear of a fan backlash or whatever, I don't know. It certainly isn't for the benefit of the players.
How is it a nonsensical restriction imposed by ownership?
As to your first point:
Lots of drugs have health risks.
And I'm not gonna take the term "illicit" as proof that something should be banned considering broader drug policy in the US. Again, if a player knows the risks going in and has a doctor's ok I'm fine with them taking whatever they want.
It's best to put as much a kibosh on them as possible in pro sports so that it doesn't start becoming an acceptable thing to do. College kids will start seeing that PEDs are necessary to get to the NBA and will start a more reckless regimen than some already are on since they don't have the funds to get it administered and monitored properly. Kids in high school will do much the same with even less access to the tools to handle it correctly.
It's one of the few cases where I believe "think of the children" holds water. Don't allow PED's to be an acceptable thing in the pros so that players at lower levels don't start thinking they need them to succeed.
It's one of the few cases where I believe "think of the children" holds water. Don't allow PED's to be an acceptable thing in the pros so that players at lower levels don't start thinking they need them to succeed.
By Kibner Go To PostIt's best to put as much a kibosh on them as possible in pro sports so that it doesn't start becoming an acceptable thing to do. College kids will start seeing that PEDs are necessary to get to the NBA and will start a more reckless regimen than some already are since they don't have the funds to get it administered and monitored properly. Kids in high school will do much the same with even less access to the tools to handle it correctly.
that train has already left the station.
By Trey Go To Postthat train has already left the station.I know, but it's best to not encourage its growth.
By KingGondo Go To PostIf you don't think that high schoolers and college kids are already using plenty of PEDs…I indicated I know some already are both in my original post and in Trey's response. The NBA shouldn't validate that kind of dangerous usage more by making it a publicized and acceptable part of the professional league.
The NBA's job isn't to police PED usage, just like it isn't the NFL's job to prosecute domestic violence.
It should be up to parents and coaches of kids at those lower levels to make the right decisions for their kids. I'm also fine with an age limit for the prescription of certain drugs.
And doctors who are found to be prescribing PEDs without regard for health concerns can be dealt with via the usual means: suspension of privileges from their state's medical association or a big fat lawsuit if harm occurs.
It should be up to parents and coaches of kids at those lower levels to make the right decisions for their kids. I'm also fine with an age limit for the prescription of certain drugs.
And doctors who are found to be prescribing PEDs without regard for health concerns can be dealt with via the usual means: suspension of privileges from their state's medical association or a big fat lawsuit if harm occurs.
By KingGondo Go To PostThe NBA's job isn't to police PED usage, just like it isn't the NFL's job to prosecute domestic violence.
It's literally in their league rules and player conduct clauses.
So the NBA shouldn't give a shit what their employee's do basically?
You're nearly looking to change how corporations operate globally, not the NBA's drug policy.
You're nearly looking to change how corporations operate globally, not the NBA's drug policy.
By Trey Go To PostIt's literally in their league rules and player conduct clauses.I'm aware that they do it currently. I'm describing how I think it *should* work.
By KingGondo Go To PostI'm aware that they do it currently. I'm describing how I think it *should* work.
I think every corporation should have a vested interest in their employee health, as well as their personal conduct.
As long as the consequences for employees failing to live up to those standards are consistent, applied equally across the board, and negotiated collectively between employees and ownership I suppose I'm ok with it.
I still think the obsession with playing the game "clean" is nonsensical though. A media furor will erupt as soon as a major NBA star is caught doping... and why is that? It's because of the stigma of the use of these drugs, or the idea that they're cheating while the rest of the league is supposedly clean.
It's apparent that there is a decent amount of doping going on now, and these guys are doing it for understandable reasons: more money and better ability to stand up to the punishment of a game like basketball played at the highest levels.
I still think the obsession with playing the game "clean" is nonsensical though. A media furor will erupt as soon as a major NBA star is caught doping... and why is that? It's because of the stigma of the use of these drugs, or the idea that they're cheating while the rest of the league is supposedly clean.
It's apparent that there is a decent amount of doping going on now, and these guys are doing it for understandable reasons: more money and better ability to stand up to the punishment of a game like basketball played at the highest levels.
It can still be considered cheating if everyone is using them because different PEDs affect different athletes to different extents. And since it is an artificial kind of way to increase performance, as opposed to training, it can be deemed as unfair.
The problem is defining what qualifies as performance-enhancing.
Modern training techniques, nutrition, and equipment also provide a massive boost. The difference between the way a modern athlete treats their body even compared to the 1990s is absolutely massive.
Some substances are permissible, and others aren't... so where's the line and why?
Modern training techniques, nutrition, and equipment also provide a massive boost. The difference between the way a modern athlete treats their body even compared to the 1990s is absolutely massive.
Some substances are permissible, and others aren't... so where's the line and why?
Didn't Leonard just pass a drug test? Why shouldn't there by any reaction if another player doesn't pass using the same method?
By KingGondo Go To PostSome substances are permissible, and others aren't… so where's the line and why?The FDA would be the go-to resource here.
Modern training techniques, nutrition, and equipment aren't inherently dangerous to the degree that many PEDs are. The line should be drawn along lines of risk.
By Dark PhaZe Go To Postlebron is the most hilarious guy about it–what is it now 5 straight nba finals runs while missing barely any games and this dude puts up tomahawks from the free throw line on back to backs lolsSix plus two Olympics appearances in 2008 and 2012 with seven straight ECF appearances.
i mean im not really hating because the sport is just insanely taxing on your body but lol
By s y Go To PostWhat the fuck Beal is only 23? Feels like he's been in the league for 6 years.
yea and I'm almost certain he started taking PEDS this summer too so he'll probably be even better next year--we just gotta get Otto on PEDs too but he's a little straight laced
By reilo Go To PostSix plus two Olympics appearances in 2008 and 2012 with seven straight ECF appearances.
remember when he cut like 30 pounds in an off-season to take weight off his knees and literally regained all the muscle back DURING the season, when he's probably burning 4000 calories a day from physical activity lol
By diehard Go To Posti don't think there is as much PED use as some of you think there is..I'm sure there is for the things that aid in recovery.
Guys, Zach Lowe likes Noah Vonleh's development 😌
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18985014/zach-lowe-10-things-like-featuring-nikola-jokic-nba
6. Noah Vonleh, showing stuff
You hear a version of the refrain from team execs all the time: "The hardest thing to do in the NBA is be patient."
Vonleh is finishing his third season, and second as something of a token starter in Portland. He has looked for large parts of that time like a bust. Charlotte hasn't sweated flipping Vonleh for Nicolas Batum, even as Batum has dropped off during the first year of a mega-deal.
But Vonleh would show flashes: a smooth long jumper, good footwork switching onto point guards.
The flashes have appeared more over the past two weeks, including in three straight double-digit scoring games. That doesn't sound like much, but Vonleh is still just 21. The NBA is hard for young big men who don't get the ball, and have to cycle through a bunch of rapid-fire decisions on every defensive possession.
Vonleh is still raw. His jumper is unproven, though the Blazers hope he can eventually hit open 3s. But he looks like he should grow into a useful rotation player.
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18985014/zach-lowe-10-things-like-featuring-nikola-jokic-nba
Is there a model that projects expected future 3P% based on age, current shooting statistics, and other characteristics?
By IWMTB19 Go To PostIs there a model that projects expected future 3P% based on age, current shooting statistics, and other characteristics?Not what you are looking for, but college FT% correlates to NBA 3pt% more closely than college 3pt% does.
By reilo Go To PostGuys, Zach Lowe likes Noah Vonleh's development 😌Hoping that is Sabonis' trajectory, because he hasn't been good this season.
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18985014/zach-lowe-10-things-like-featuring-nikola-jokic-nba
By Kibner Go To PostNot what you are looking for, but college FT% correlates to NBA 3pt% more closely than college 3pt% does.
I want the probability that Exum will learn how to shoot given that he shoots 28% on wide open threes right now and is 22 in July :(
By diehard Go To Postuuh thats like 4 wins at the absolute minimum, 5 or 6 is way more likely.
Clippers get at least 3 more to get 48 wins or 49 if they can win @DAL, Thunder probably get 48 or 49, and the Jazz should get 48.
That puts us in the 6th spot. Maybe if the Warriors have first seed locked up they rest that game and we get 49. Worst case scenario we get the 5th seed against the Clippers… so goooo Thunder.
Told ya'll.
By IWMTB19 Go To PostI want the probability that Exum will learn how to shoot given that he shoots 28% on wide open threes right now and is 22 in July :(He has improved massively on his aggressiveness and driving ability, let's do one thing at a time.
By KingGondo Go To PostIf you don't think that high schoolers and college kids are already using plenty of PEDs…real shit
my dad no joke handed me hgh like it was totes cool back in high school
and in college? mannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn at least in D1A, I know that shit was just everywhere. I'm not saying I saw people use it, but it was everywhere. Even when I traveled.
yeah if you aint cheating you aint trying. people using PEDs in club sports ffs and that's barely better than intramurals.
i only got drug tested one time over 3 years in college. knew it was coming well in advance too.
high school? pffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffft
and that's why so many kids are dying on the court and shit
high school? pffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffft
and that's why so many kids are dying on the court and shit
So I've gone completely Draft nerd
http://www.nba.com/history/draft/final-standings-lottery-order/
So what I found interesting is the team that finishes with the 2nd worst record more times than not gets bounced from the top 3 picks.
happened to knicks in 2015
happened to charlotte in 2013
happened to cleveland in 2011 (with there own pick)
happened to minnesota in 2010
happened to washington in 2009
happened to seattle in 2008
happened to boston in 2007 (actually all 3 worst records go bounced from lottery that year only time I remember seeing this)
happened to New orleans in 2005
8 out of 11 times the 2nd lowest team got knocked out of the top 3.
http://www.nba.com/history/draft/final-standings-lottery-order/
So what I found interesting is the team that finishes with the 2nd worst record more times than not gets bounced from the top 3 picks.
happened to knicks in 2015
happened to charlotte in 2013
happened to cleveland in 2011 (with there own pick)
happened to minnesota in 2010
happened to washington in 2009
happened to seattle in 2008
happened to boston in 2007 (actually all 3 worst records go bounced from lottery that year only time I remember seeing this)
happened to New orleans in 2005
8 out of 11 times the 2nd lowest team got knocked out of the top 3.
The team with the second-worst record has a 44.2% chance of dropping out of the top 3.
:eyes Lakers-SLAENT
:eyes Lakers-SLAENT
The lottery in general isn't really designed to reward tanking over the course of one year. The worst team actually has a better chance to pick fourth than first. The Wolves have had the worst record in the league three times (92, 10, 15) and only one of those times did they not move down in the lottery.
I want to know if there's a model for guys who are deadeye from 19 ft but can't shoot 3s. Because that aspect of DeRozan's game baffles me, and if he learns to do it suddenly all the talk about his efficiency vanishes.
For the first and probably last time in my life, I'm sending positive vibes to the Nets down the stretch.
By Zeus Ex Machina Go To PostSo I've gone completely Draft nerd
http://www.nba.com/history/draft/final-standings-lottery-order/
So what I found interesting is the team that finishes with the 2nd worst record more times than not gets bounced from the top 3 picks.
happened to knicks in 2015
happened to charlotte in 2013
happened to cleveland in 2011 (with there own pick)
happened to minnesota in 2010
happened to washington in 2009
happened to seattle in 2008
happened to boston in 2007 (actually all 3 worst records go bounced from lottery that year only time I remember seeing this)
happened to New orleans in 2005
8 out of 11 times the 2nd lowest team got knocked out of the top 3.
For the first and probably last time in my life, I'm sending positive vibes to the Nets down the stretch.
By Dark PhaZe Go To Postlakers age b like
By Dark PhaZe Go To Postlakers age b like
I've been operating under the assumption that our #4 is going to Philly for a minute. I'm hoping our tank pays off, but I'm preparing myself for the worst. One of the reasons I"m glad Russell and Ingram have shown improvement since ASB.
By KingGondo Go To PostThey should be able to do it without worrying about losing their livelihood to nonsensical restrictions imposed by ownership.No.
I'm sure most of these guys have doctors who know what they're doing.
That's a really dumb argument that gets easily shut down with the most basic understanding.
I know the NBA is terrible about keeping them out, but PED's should never be officially in. They should always be out. Always.
It's not about the athlete's in the NBA even (though who knows what long term damage it will really do to them). But the 14y.o. High school kid who is now over dosing on his own because he needs to get bigger.
By rodeoclown Go To PostThe lottery in general isn't really designed to reward tanking over the course of one year. The worst team actually has a better chance to pick fourth than first. The Wolves have had the worst record in the league three times (92, 10, 15) and only one of those times did they not move down in the lottery.This is a weird re-write to me. Always has been.
The worst team still has the best odds of picking first. They just can't pick later than fourth.
By livefromkyoto Go To PostI want to know if there's a model for guys who are deadeye from 19 ft but can't shoot 3s. Because that aspect of DeRozan's game baffles me, and if he learns to do it suddenly all the talk about his efficiency vanishes.
For the first and probably last time in my life, I'm sending positive vibes to the Nets down the stretch.
He has a fading mid range form that doesn't translate well to the 3. Happens with a lot of guards that like to dribble into the mid range shot. Still though he's shot the ball enough that he should at least be shooting in the low .30's.
By Zeus Ex Machina Go To PostSo I've gone completely Draft nerd
http://www.nba.com/history/draft/final-standings-lottery-order/
So what I found interesting is the team that finishes with the 2nd worst record more times than not gets bounced from the top 3 picks.
happened to knicks in 2015
happened to charlotte in 2013
happened to cleveland in 2011 (with there own pick)
happened to minnesota in 2010
happened to washington in 2009
happened to seattle in 2008
happened to boston in 2007 (actually all 3 worst records go bounced from lottery that year only time I remember seeing this)
happened to New orleans in 2005
8 out of 11 times the 2nd lowest team got knocked out of the top 3.
The interesting part of that is that ... not picking second has usually been a good thing.
NY picked Porzingis over Russell.
PHI got Embiid over Wiggins/Parker (this one could take a while to play out)
CHA got Zeller over Bennett / Oladipo (though otto porter went 4th, and he's really really good)
WAS got Beal over MKG.
CLE got Tristian Thompson over Derrick Williams
WAS got Rubio over Thabeet
By giririsss Go To PostNo.
That's a really dumb argument that gets easily shut down with the most basic understanding.
I know the NBA is terrible about keeping them out, but PED's should never be officially in. They should always be out. Always.
It's not about the athlete's in the NBA even (though who knows what long term damage it will really do to them). But the 14y.o. High school kid who is now over dosing on his own because he needs to get bigger.
I don't know that I wouldn't blame the internet more than anything else at this point. When you've got a chance to get a full ride scholarship and all the information you need online to get an edge I'm not sure if LeBron's roided up ass is the greatest motivation for doing it.
By Dark PhaZe Go To Postlakers age b likecollusion is real. i'm not a bit worried.