By Mariosalic Go To PostAlso "smash is not a competitive fighter" is a dumb opinion when its by far the most popular conpetitive fighter.
Smash is a competitive fighter like Mario Kart is a simulation racer.
By reilo Go To PostMaybe it's popular because it's easier to play and has less of a skill curve? 🤔
And? Not sure why that would matter
By Mariosalic Go To PostAnd? Not sure why that would matterI feel like you are being willfully obtuse
wait, since when is gaming not dominated by 18-34 men?
By Mariosalic Go To PostAlso "smash is not a competitive fighter" is a dumb opinion when its by far the most popular conpetitive fighter.that doesn't mean its good lol. if we could but a number next to hype generated then Catherine would own every evo poll
There's gotta be some sort of different interpretation of the word "competitive" because popularity ranks basically at the bottom of what that term is trying to get at.
That's like saying Gears is competitive because Gears was a popular PVP game back on the 360.
That's like saying Gears is competitive because Gears was a popular PVP game back on the 360.
Smash has a huge scene and multiple tournaments every weekend with established players. Saying it's not a competitive fighter is dumb. Plain dumb.
By DY_nasty Go To Postwait, since when is gaming not dominated by 18-34 men?
Since always. You're living in a bubble.
Women and kids are a huuuuuge market.
i'm not even factoring in sales, purely talking about its performance as an esport, which within the context of fighting games is pretty healthy with good viewership. and you can't have a competitive scene without popularity, so i don't know why you'r etrying to disconnect it.
By Mariosalic Go To PostSince always. You're living in a bubble.I never said they weren't. I'm saying the primary market is 18-34 men.
Women and kids are a huuuuuge market.
By DY_nasty Go To PostI never said they weren't. I'm saying the primary market is 18-34 men.
Not for nintendo, never was until now.
And i said that they have to appeal to those in 2018.
Just went to look and the highest prize money at any Smash event was $83k? Lmao yeah, that is a competitive game by the weakest of standards, in the same way that the cookie game is.
By rerixo Go To Posti'm not even factoring in sales, purely talking about its performance as an esport, which within the context of fighting games is pretty healthy with good viewership. and you can't have a competitive scene without popularity, so i don't know why you'r etrying to disconnect it.Because it implies that it's a game that requires as much if not more skill as other fighters because more people play it.
By reilo Go To PostBecause it implies that it's a game that requires as much if not more skill as other fighters because more people play it.
I really want to see you compete in melee.
It's by far the hardest popular fighting game to master.
By Mariosalic Go To PostI really want to see you compete in melee.I really want to see you play me 1-on-1 in basketball. Does that make me an NBA player after I whoop your ass in it?
It's by far the hardest popular fighting game to master.
By reilo Go To PostI really want to see you play me 1-on-1 in basketball. Does that make me an NBA player after I whoop your ass in it?
That's not the point. Melee is incredibly hard to play even at a basic level in tournaments.
plenty of games have worse competitive scenes than smash, with more prizepool money, it's not a useful measure
By reilo Go To PostBecause it implies that it's a game that requires as much if not more skill as other fighters because more people play it.that's not strictly untrue though, the more people play a game competitively, the harder it is to be the best. judging a game's competitiveness purely from its mechanics is pretty fruitless.
By Mariosalic Go To PostI really want to see you compete in melee.Tekken is widely agreed to be the hardest fighting game iirc. Maybe Virtua Fighter too.
It's by far the hardest popular fighting game to master.
By rerixo Go To Postthat's not strictly untrue though, the more people play a game competitively, the harder it is to be the best. judging a game's competitiveness purely from its mechanics is pretty fruitless.Or maybe it's more popular because it has less of a skill curve to get into and eventually master?
By Mariosalic Go To PostThat's not the point. Melee is incredibly hard to play even at a basic level in tournaments.And other fighting tournaments aren't? Silly.
By s y Go To PostTekken is widely agreed to be the hardest fighting game iirc. Maybe Virtua Fighter too.
I played both at very high levels in my youth (top 10 in international tournaments) and i disagree. Melee is haaaard.
By Mariosalic Go To PostAlso "smash is not a competitive fighter" is a dumb opinion when its by far the most popular conpetitive fighter.And then you consider the audience and it's like, what are we even talking about...
By reilo Go To PostOr maybe it's more popular because it has less of a skill curve to get into and eventually master?of course smash has a gentler skill curve, but I don't think that means it's any easier to master. you can't have a long lasting competitive community like smash's with a low skill ceiling, so i dunno how you say that lol.
are you gonna say LoL isn't a competitive game because it isn't as mechanically competitive as dota?
By reilo Go To PostI mean, what else were we to expect from people that think Nintendo makes amazing piece of hardwarejust for the record i have never said this lol
By Mariosalic Go To PostThis is a dumb discussion that leads nowhere.
By rerixo Go To Postare you gonna say LoL isn't a competitive game because it isn't as mechanically competitive as dota?Yea, why not
By Xpike Go To Postlate but the new God of War looks like hot garbageIt looks like buddy cop God of War with a difference camera perspective.
By Mariosalic Go To PostNot for nintendo, never was until now.now you're jumping around lol
And i said that they have to appeal to those in 2018.
i said gaming as a whole was 18-34 males. you say nintendo's wasn't for the most part but everyone knows that nintendo took its ball and went home rather than competing for the same turf along with sony and ms for a decade. gaming's primary demo has always been 18-34, so welcome back i guess? now that everyone has a ps4 and nintendo wants to not wave gimmicks around constantly they make a splash again
By Mariosalic Go To PostI played both at very high levels in my youth (top 10 in international tournaments) and i disagree. Melee is haaaard.because its not meant to be a fighting game. that's why its 'hard'
By s y Go To PostTekken is widely agreed to be the hardest fighting game iirc. Maybe Virtua Fighter too.
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... what the fuck is happening here? Jesus Christ that's why I rarely wander into Gaming.
Okay, first of all as reilo said we need a definition into what is considered "competitive" for the fighting genre: Are we talking day-to-day gamer or EVO standard? Because that tree will take a few days alone to discuss. Then that brings up if EVO games are even defined by that standard to begin with... because popularity weighs heavily into that discussion: if like 40-50 of the Top EVO players decided to start pushing MUGEN or effing Arcana Heart, you'd better believe it would show up at EVO eventually.
Okay, first of all as reilo said we need a definition into what is considered "competitive" for the fighting genre: Are we talking day-to-day gamer or EVO standard? Because that tree will take a few days alone to discuss. Then that brings up if EVO games are even defined by that standard to begin with... because popularity weighs heavily into that discussion: if like 40-50 of the Top EVO players decided to start pushing MUGEN or effing Arcana Heart, you'd better believe it would show up at EVO eventually.
there's tons of shit at evo. i don't even know why people front like that's what dictates a game's success, popularity, skill dependence, etc - capcom thought that would elevate SF5 and that game might finally turn the corner years after being a steaming pile since release
evo is not the inner sanctum unless you still subscribe to brokentier forums and similar stuff from the early 2000s
evo is not the inner sanctum unless you still subscribe to brokentier forums and similar stuff from the early 2000s
By s y Go To PostDivekick was at EVOCan you blame them for including it? Look at this hardcore gameplay
Like... the comments are amazing. They agree it's a shit game but say it belongs in EVO because of the strategy and balance.
By DY_nasty Go To Postbecause its not meant to be a fighting game. that's why its 'hard'
I feel like this would maybe apply to the games after Melee(more specifically Brawl). Even though he might not have intended for it to be the case, they sure as hell left mechanics in it that paint a vastly different picture from the one that was vocalised.
By s y Go To Postbut it's true
By MonadL Go To Postbut it's trueThat's like saying Hyundai has an amazing car interior as good as Mercedes because both have an infotainment screen with GPS.
By EldritchTrapStar Go To PostI feel like this would maybe apply to the games after Melee(more specifically Brawl). Even though he might not have intended for it to be the case, they sure as hell left mechanics in it that paint a vastly different picture from the one that was vocalised.You see right through me lol
I will give Nintendo's Smash devs credit for this much though - no matter how vocal their own community became, they never outright committed to making Smash into something its not. More times than not, that's exactly what screws a lot of franchises.
By Dark PhaZe Go To PostSmash has always looked like it has a tremendously large skillgap to me.Because its not meant to be a fighting game. Have you ever been the "good" smash player around a bunch of others who bought it and played it to have a good time? You're an asshole. Straight up lol. Its the exact opposite effect you'd get with literally any other fighting game from casuals to the 1%ers.
By reilo Go To PostThat's like saying Hyundai has an amazing car interior as good as Mercedes because both have an infotainment screen with GPS.*shrug* Sure thing