This all sounds great. Prices are going to come down and the tech is going to become more widespread and common.
But then you realize that DVD still out sells Blu-ray at a rate of more than 10 to 1 and that overall physical sales have pinged up and down over the last few years.
Couple that with the expanding resources (bandwidth) required to take advantage of these newer high res digital releases where you're never guaranteed to receive both uncompressed audio and visuals.
This in the face of the FCC doing everything they can to dismantle Net Neutrality and it's all a bit depressing.
But then you realize that DVD still out sells Blu-ray at a rate of more than 10 to 1 and that overall physical sales have pinged up and down over the last few years.
Couple that with the expanding resources (bandwidth) required to take advantage of these newer high res digital releases where you're never guaranteed to receive both uncompressed audio and visuals.
This in the face of the FCC doing everything they can to dismantle Net Neutrality and it's all a bit depressing.
By Dark PhaZe Go To PostAre the OLED's up to snuff in terms of brightness yet? I have no issues with the KS8000 black levels, but you need strong contrast for HDR to really pop. From my knowledge, OLED's have been lacking on the brightness levels, while LED's have been lacking in black levels.
They're not as bright as LED, but the contrast ratio combined with the infinite blacks, give the picture way more pop and definition. I looked at all of the top LEDs. They look good but they lack a definition in my eyes that really brings the picture out, and I attribute that to OLED black levels. The 2017 models are about 20% brighter than the 2016 model that I have. Even then my TV gets used all day in the day time with OLED light in the 40s and it's just fine.
The OLEDs tap out at around 800 nits iirc, whereas the Z9D is around 1500 nits. However the sum of OLEDs parts somehow makes the picture look more impressive. I was watching Stranger Things and those scenes against a black drop were literally blending into the TV screen making the characters on screen really pop. It's crazy.
By GQman2121 Go To PostThis all sounds great. Prices are going to come down and the tech is going to become more widespread and common.
But then you realize that DVD still out sells Blu-ray at a rate of more than 10 to 1 and that overall physical sales have pinged up and down over the last few years.
Couple that with the expanding resources (bandwidth) required to take advantage of these newer high res digital releases where you're never guaranteed to receive both uncompressed audio and visuals.
This in the face of the FCC doing everything they can to dismantle Net Neutrality and it's all a bit depressing.
Disc isn't going anywhere for a while and with caps and Net Neutrality about to be fucked, I'd argue that going back to physical media could be a side effect.
I know nobody that buys DVDs. Those people are streaming now. 4k streaming can look pretty good, but it's HDR that really brings out the picture. Watch something like the Grand Tour on Amazon. The actual bitrate of the 4k stream is no where near a disc, but HDR in combination brings the whole package together. It's dope.
By Pennywise Go To PostIf you liked Blade Runner, you should get the 4k version Smokey.
Looks pretty incredible.
I've....never seen it :x
I was looking for the 4k version but it was hard to find for awhile as it was recalled because of some issue I'm forgetting. The fixed versions should be in circulation now tho.
By Smokey Go To PostI've….never seen it :xEven better.
I was looking for the 4k version but it was hard to find for awhile as it was recalled because of some issue I'm forgetting. The fixed versions should be in circulation now tho.
The Blu-Ray restauration was already pretty amazing for a movie from 1981, as they used a 4k master for the restauration, but the 4k BR is even better.
Gonna be taking a look at Terminator next.
Was just at Best Buy. They've taken the Sony Z9D's down. The price is still the same ($3,500 for 65") as their two OLED's but the dude said it's only a matter of time before they drop way down as they try and get rid of the warehouse stock.
If that thing somehow gets in the $1,500 range in the next six months I'll probably bite. That's a great TV to ride out until OLED and HDR and HDMI get on the same page in the next 2-3 years. New consoles should lineup around that time too.
If that thing somehow gets in the $1,500 range in the next six months I'll probably bite. That's a great TV to ride out until OLED and HDR and HDMI get on the same page in the next 2-3 years. New consoles should lineup around that time too.
By Smokey Go To PostThey're not as bright as LED, but the contrast ratio combined with the infinite blacks, give the picture way more pop and definition. I looked at all of the top LEDs. They look good but they lack a definition in my eyes that really brings the picture out, and I attribute that to OLED black levels. The 2017 models are about 20% brighter than the 2016 model that I have. Even then my TV gets used all day in the day time with OLED light in the 40s and it's just fine.
The OLEDs tap out at around 800 nits iirc, whereas the Z9D is around 1500 nits. However the sum of OLEDs parts somehow makes the picture look more impressive. I was watching Stranger Things and those scenes against a black drop were literally blending into the TV screen making the characters on screen really pop. It's crazy.
Main thing is we don't have an objective do it all option yet. While you prefer the pop those blacks bring, there are many who prefer consistent color volume and brightness. Here's hoping that OLED's can bring that brightness up significantly for their HDMI 2.1 sets.
I just want the next set I get to be objectively great in all areas.
Video that came across my feed about 2.1
By Dark PhaZe Go To PostMain thing is we don't have an objective do it all option yet. While you prefer the pop those blacks bring, there are many who prefer consistent color volume and brightness. Here's hoping that OLED's can bring that brightness up significantly for their HDMI 2.1 sets.
I just want the next set I get to be objectively great in all areas.
Just based on their respective technologies, I don't think LED has that much more room to grow compared to OLED. I see Sony's Z9D as almost an end game LED. You'll never get absolute black from a LED, but you'll get brightness. I think the only way you'll see OLED come close to LED brightness on paper is if companies start using RGB OLED, but there's a reason it's not being used. It's not economically viable at large screen sizes and the yields are terrible at larger sizes.That's why Samsung got out. AMOLED on the Galaxy phones is RGB OLED. LG OLEDs are based on white OLED (wOLED) tech they bought in patents from Kodak. That's why every OLED is made by LG. That type of tech because of how it works at the pixel level, comes with reduced brightness compared to LED. But they have been improving every year so there's that.
By Dark PhaZe Go To PostMain thing is we don't have an objective do it all option yet. While you prefer the pop those blacks bring, there are many who prefer consistent color volume and brightness. Here's hoping that OLED's can bring that brightness up significantly for their HDMI 2.1 sets.And I couldn't take Android like Sony does.
I just want the next set I get to be objectively great in all areas.
They should really pick a different OS.
Sony files for '8K HDR' trademark, logo
Sony 8K TV in 2018?
Sony filed for the ‘8K HDR’ trademark and logo in EUIPO (European Union International Property Office), USPTO (United States Patent and Trademark Office) and JPO (Japan Patent Office) in October 2017. Sony has also submitted an updated version of its current ‘4K HDR’ logo that it is using to promote its TVs (as seen below) as well as other types of products.
The Japanese company has so far ignored the ‘Ultra HD Premium’ logo created by the UHD Alliance and similar initiatives in favor of its own logo. While the timing may be coincidental, it could also suggest that Sony is planning to unveil its first 8K TV at CES 2018 in Las Vegas next month.
It's beginning...
tv makers are going to run out of things that actually make the experience better, because i don't think 8K is one of them.
By diehard Go To Posttv makers are going to run out of things that actually make the experience better, because i don't think 8K is one of them.I am far, far, far more excited for HDR to get mainstream use than I am for 4K, tbh.
By diehard Go To Posttv makers are going to run out of things that actually make the experience better, because i don't think 8K is one of them.
I remember reading that 8k was actually the end game for consumer displays, and that 4k was a stop gap.
4k does make a large difference on a big screen. I was in Best Buy yesterday and these cheap cheap 4k TVs are atrocious. Even with demo reels meant to show off a TV, stuff looked terrible. And people are buying it. Along with faux HDR. Yuck.
yall trippin
wide spread 8k across all media (including sports broadcasting) would be heaven
have yall seen some of these espn nba streams?
have yall SEENIT
and 4k is not a big enough leap, particularly when you start to get into stuff like VR
wide spread 8k across all media (including sports broadcasting) would be heaven
have yall seen some of these espn nba streams?
have yall SEENIT
and 4k is not a big enough leap, particularly when you start to get into stuff like VR
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Most people sitting in the living room on a moderately affordable TV won't have their viewing experience get any noticeably better by going from a 1080p bluray to a UHD bluray (HDR can be a different story).
We already have a problem with content not being shot in 4k, or 35mm film not transferring well enough.. forget 8k.
VR is difference scenario, those use very specific panels anyway.
By Dark PhaZe Go To Postyall trippinMost of the problems with streams is not the resolution, its the btirate. Higher resolution can even cause a bit starved scenario where it looks worse.
wide spread 8k across all media (including sports broadcasting) would be heaven
have yall seen some of these espn nba streams?
have yall SEENIT
and 4k is not a big enough leap, particularly when you start to get into stuff like VR
Most people sitting in the living room on a moderately affordable TV won't have their viewing experience get any noticeably better by going from a 1080p bluray to a UHD bluray (HDR can be a different story).
We already have a problem with content not being shot in 4k, or 35mm film not transferring well enough.. forget 8k.
VR is difference scenario, those use very specific panels anyway.
Sony KD60X690E 60" 4K is $800 on Amazon right now. It doesn't have great HDR, though:
When it comes to HDR, the X690e performance could be better, as the lack of local dimming and disappointing HDR peak brightness won't make highlights pop much more than what you would see on a normal SDR TV. When you add the lack of a wide color gamut and bit depth, it just confirms that this TV won't be the best option to be amazed by HDR content.RTings review: https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x690e
I was reading somewhere 35mm filmscans tops out at around 5k.
they can scan higher resolution but 5k is optimum, iirc.
they can scan higher resolution but 5k is optimum, iirc.
Apparently Samsung is supposed to be releasing a bunch of FALD displays as part of the 2018 QLED lineup, which may explain why this years TVs were not as good as 2016. That and never buy the Samsung follow up to a successful product. Following that logic, sounds about right that the 2018 models will be good.
Edge lit needs to die.
Edge lit needs to die.
Stranger Things season 2 episode 6 last 20 minutes is the perfect scene to alter your brightness/contrast settings.
I've ran out of HDMI ports on the B6. Pro, One X, DirecTV, LG UHD player. Really wanted a Chromecast Ultra. Actually it looks to be down to Chromecast and Roku if I want Youtube and HDR, with Amazon and Google slapping each other around.
Only the 2016 Signature series has the ability to decode the format for Youtube HDR. LG apparently released a firmware update to accommodate , and then YT changed it again, and LG said fuck it.
I use a USB drive for Digital Foundry's HDR and raw 4k footage as a Patreon member, but it would have been nice to just use the app.
I use a USB drive for Digital Foundry's HDR and raw 4k footage as a Patreon member, but it would have been nice to just use the app.
Ohh just thought
I could run the DTV though the one x HDMI and free that port up for Chromecast
Phil wins again
I could run the DTV though the one x HDMI and free that port up for Chromecast
Phil wins again
So have to say the TCL P605 is pretty damn awesome. Pro enhanced games and Netflix 4K shows look amazing. Last of Us is in 1800p mode with 60 FPS is glorious.
"Here's the bombshell...there's not going to be any true HDMI 2.1 television in 2018, at least one that supports all of the features of HDMI 2.1"
Vincent is one of the top TV reviewers and calibrators on youtube. Very good video, worth the watch.
#2019 it is then
By Smokey Go To Postpossible z9d successor omg
that's ….2800 nits o_o
2800 nits oled
just need sub 25 ms input lag and new hdmi standard support
Turns out it was the 100" Z9D that is pumping out that 2800 nits.
And he said Sony expects to sell the Z9D through 2018. So probably no successor and they really do view it as their halo/top end panel , even above their A1 OLED.
The 100" Z9D is $59,999 btw
And he said Sony expects to sell the Z9D through 2018. So probably no successor and they really do view it as their halo/top end panel , even above their A1 OLED.
The 100" Z9D is $59,999 btw
Not sure if this is the right thread but I’m looking at a wall mount for my Sony X900e, I feel like everything checks out and it should be compatible but maybe I’m overlooking something
https://www.monoprice.com/product?c_id=109&cp_id=10828&cs_id=1082821&p_id=8588
My dad keeps trying to get me to buy some $200 mount he saw on some avforum but dude doesn’t understand I’m not making six figures like him
https://www.monoprice.com/product?c_id=109&cp_id=10828&cs_id=1082821&p_id=8588
My dad keeps trying to get me to buy some $200 mount he saw on some avforum but dude doesn’t understand I’m not making six figures like him
Consistently impressed with UHD movies and HDR. Watched War for the Planet of the Apes a few nights ago, and the PQ was great. HDR use was as well. Now watching Pacific Rim on UHD and it's a completely different film than Apes obviously, with colors and particles everywhere. PQ is clean af on the OLED .
Anxiously awaiting CES to see the improvements they've made for 2018.
Anxiously awaiting CES to see the improvements they've made for 2018.
By RobNBanks Go To PostNot sure if this is the right thread but I’m looking at a wall mount for my Sony X900e, I feel like everything checks out and it should be compatible but maybe I’m overlooking somethingSorry, man, but I am completely unfamiliar with that kind of thing.
https://www.monoprice.com/product?c_id=109&cp_id=10828&cs_id=1082821&p_id=8588
My dad keeps trying to get me to buy some $200 mount he saw on some avforum but dude doesn’t understand I’m not making six figures like him
Every TV got those VESA norms.
Got nearly the same mount, but a bit longer. Only problem I had that the screws that were part of the package were to short.
But that shouldn't be a problem and even if it is, every hardware store got you covered.
Got nearly the same mount, but a bit longer. Only problem I had that the screws that were part of the package were to short.
But that shouldn't be a problem and even if it is, every hardware store got you covered.
So what's the best $1500 and under 4K HDR TV on the market right now? Thinking about getting a new TV, but my room's pretty small, so only 55'' for me.
By HasphatsAnts Go To PostSo what's the best $1500 and under 4K HDR TV on the market right now? Thinking about getting a new TV, but my room's pretty small, so only 55'' for me.
i've seen some b7 55'' oleds going for around that amount.
By RobNBanks Go To PostNahI'd say get it.
No cable management option is the only negative I can see. It has some decent swivel degree but for a regular living room it doesn't even really need that tbh.
By Kibner Go To Post88,888 USD
worth it
Is Samsung's quantum dot tech still on track for 2019? Judging by the lack of news and demos, I'm guessing probably not. CES will tell, I suppose.
I've given up on OLED monitors and we could really use a self-emitting tech in the monitor space. Death to all things backlit.
I've given up on OLED monitors and we could really use a self-emitting tech in the monitor space. Death to all things backlit.
The "real" qled? I hope we hear something next week. Of course Samsung misleads customers by using qled on 2017 when the real tech is a few years off, but it's Samsung .