By Smokey Go To Post
8K
OLED
88''
MORE INFO AT CES
i don't know about dat 88 inches but im rdy for 8k OLED life
I'm more surprised by the 88". That means LG is improving their yields on very large OLED screen sizes. The price difference between 55" and 65" is $1,000, and from 65" to 77" is $7,400.
I need that number to come way down because a 75"+ OLED panel, in LGs case a 77", is the end game for me.
I need that number to come way down because a 75"+ OLED panel, in LGs case a 77", is the end game for me.
Someone was able to identify what I've been trying to articulate for a while but couldn't. LED gets brighter obviously than OLED, but the contrast produced by OLED due to the infinite blacks puts it above those LEDs, and the picture, especially in HDR "pops" more as a result. Even if overall it's not as bright. I'd go and look at something like the Z9D at a store the PQ was clearly good, but I couldn't identify why it didn't have the impact I was looking for vs OLED. Well, that's why.
Until some tech can produce the same effect, I'm not moving. I'm interested to see what "true" qled tech looks like from Samsung tho.
Until some tech can produce the same effect, I'm not moving. I'm interested to see what "true" qled tech looks like from Samsung tho.
2018 OLEDs announced
http://www.avsforum.com/lg-oled-tvs-ces-2018/
no hdmi 2.1 confirmed
77'' model has now moved down to the C line which i think is huge
better color
the better processor is being included with the C line and higher.
2019 is probably the big year with 2.1
https://www.cnet.com/news/lg-oled-tvs-dont-mess-with-success-in-2018/
http://www.avsforum.com/lg-oled-tvs-ces-2018/
As you might expect, this year’s CES includes a new lineup of LG OLED TVs. Four new model lines are being announced: B8, C8, E8, and W8. There will also be a G8, but LG plans to continue selling the G7 in the US for a while.
An important part of this story is LG’s next-generation Alpha video processor. The CPU and GPU are 35% more powerful than last year’s processor, and the DDR memory is 50% faster. Other improvements include a quad-step noise-reduction algorithm and a better image-enhancement function with frequency-based sharpness, object-based contrast, and adaptive color (except in Cinema mode). Perhaps most important, the color lookup table (LUT) has expanded from 17x17x17 last year to 33x33x33 with 7.3 times more data points for more accurate colors.
Of course, high dynamic range is another crucial aspect of LG OLED TVs, which are the only flat panels on the market that support all four major HDR formats: HDR10, Dolby Vision, HLG, and Technicolor. Even better, they apply LG’s proprietary dynamic tone mapping, now called 4K Cinema HDR, to all HDR formats. This doesn’t do much for Dolby Vision, which already includes dynamic metadata, but it greatly improves the look of HDR10, which uses static metadata, and HLG, which uses no metadata at all. In addition, last year’s HDR Effect feature expands the dynamic range of SDR content.
New for 2018 is the ability to accept and display frame rates up to 120 fps. There is no consumer content available at that frame rate yet, but these LG OLED TVs are ready for it via USB. However, **they do not implement HDMI 2.1**, so they cannot accept 120 fps via HDMI.
Like last year, the 2018 LG OLED TVs all use the same OLED panel. In addition, all but the B8 use the most-powerful Alpha processor, dubbed Alpha 9. The B8 uses a slightly less-powerful Alpha 7 processor, which can’t render 4K HDR and HFR at the same time.
Dolby Atmos is another touted feature, which is said to provide some improvement in performance from the TV’s speakers thanks to object-based audio. However, don’t expect miracles from the TV’s speakers! The big advantage here is that the TVs can send a Dolby Atmos bitstream from the internal apps to an outboard sound system via HDMI ARC (Audio Return Channel).
LG’s smart-TV functionality has also been improved. The latest version of webOS now offers voice control by integrating Google Home—no external device required. Voice commands are picked up by a microphone in the included Magic Remote.
The B8 sports LG’s Blade Slim form factor and will be available in 55″ and 65″ screen sizes, while the C8 uses the same design in 55″, 65″, and—new for 2018—77″ sizes. The E8 continues LG’s Picture-on-Glass design in 55″ and 65″ sizes, while the W8 retains the Picture-on-Wall form factor of last year’s W7 in 65″ and 77″ sizes.
Like last year’s W7, the W8 includes a separate soundbar with integrated subwoofer that also houses all the inputs and electronics and connects to the panel with a single slender cable. Apparently, LG didn’t get the memo that enthusiasts such as those on AVS Forum would prefer the option of a smaller box that houses the inputs and electronics without a soundbar.
No pricing or availability for the LG OLED TVs are being announced at CES.
no hdmi 2.1 confirmed
77'' model has now moved down to the C line which i think is huge
better color
the better processor is being included with the C line and higher.
2019 is probably the big year with 2.1
https://www.cnet.com/news/lg-oled-tvs-dont-mess-with-success-in-2018/
New for 2018: Processing, high frame rate, voice control
LG's 2018 OLED TVs have mostly the same picture-affecting features as last year, including perfect black levels, similar light output and color gamut/color volume capabilities, and compatibility with all three major HDR formats. For audio all of the series above continue to support Dolby Atmos, just like most of the 2017 sets, and none of them have HDMI 2.1.
New for this year is the migration of a 77-inch size down to a more mainstream series, the C8, although LG said it would continue to be extremely expensive (the current 77-inch OLEDs cost $10,000). It's also adding a fourth HDR format, "Advanced HDR by Technicolor," which will also be rolled out to 2017 OLEDs.
Here's the stuff that's unique to the 2018 models.
A9 processor: LG makes a big deal out of its new image processor, which it calls A9. Said to improve noise reduction, sharpness, contrast and color (the latter with superior color mapping), it's available on every model except for the least-expensive B8. Beefier processing might sound cool, but LG's OLEDs are already so good that it's tough to image how much they'll improve -- assuming the processing helps rather than hurts the image.
I asked whether any of the processing could be disabled, and Tim Alessi, LG's Senior Director of Product Marketing replied: "If a user control exists in the UI for a particular attribute, i.e. - sharpness, the degree of sharpness can be adjusted. However, items like the frequency based edge enhancement or depth enhancement do not have user controls (and never have), they're just better ways of performing these functions."
I paid $3300 for my 65" Panasonic Plasma at Video Only in December 2009. I'm still rolling with it and would love to see something bigger via OLED, with HDR. But I'm not paying double that for 77". I mean damn, why haven't the panel prices come down yet!
By RATHasReturned Go To PostI paid $3300 for my 65" Panasonic Plasma at Video Only in December 2009. I'm still rolling with it and would love to see something bigger via OLED, with HDR. But I'm not paying double that for 77". I mean damn, why haven't the panel prices come down yet!
It yields are worse as you go up in size for OLED, and something else about the manufacturing process that I'm forgetting also has a huge impact. LG is opening a new OLED factory at the end of this year that will dramatically help in that area. 2019 is when you'll see a lot more sizes as a result. 2018 is kind of a lame duck year for OLED tbh.
https://www.cnet.com/news/ces-2018-tv-preview-what-to-expect-from-the-big-screens-of-las-vegas/
US TV market share by revenue, aka 'dollar share'
2016 2017
Samsung 37% 35%
Vizio 19% 15%
LG 12% 14%
Sony 11% 12%
TCL 2% 5%
Average US selling price per brand
2016 2017
Samsung $603 $612
Vizio $390 $351
LG $686 $660
Sony $868 $1,220
TCL $246 $243
Sony still applying that tax, wow
US TV market share by revenue, aka 'dollar share'
2016 2017
Samsung 37% 35%
Vizio 19% 15%
LG 12% 14%
Sony 11% 12%
TCL 2% 5%
Average US selling price per brand
2016 2017
Samsung $603 $612
Vizio $390 $351
LG $686 $660
Sony $868 $1,220
TCL $246 $243
Sony still applying that tax, wow
When I asked NPD for US sales data on high-end TVs, analyst Stephen Baker put it into some interesting context.
"Only about 10 percent of all TVs sell for $1,000 or more," he said, "and that number has been very consistent for a number of years. And for TVs over $1,000, the average price over the last five years has been around $1,700. So the introduction of new technology, or the wider availability of bigger screens, really hasn't changed the share of volume or the amount consumers are willing to pay for a premium TV."
The part that jumped out at me was the $1,700 figure. That happens to be near the new all-time low of LG's 2017 55-inch OLED TV. Here's Baker's chart for the over-$1,000 market, covering the same Jan-Oct window period as the above charts
LG and Sony, both of which sell high-end OLED TVs, are rising in high-end share, while Samsung and Vizio, which do not, are falling. Anecdotally most of the people I talk to in the high-end market want an OLED rather than a similarly priced high-end LCD, whether QLED or otherwise.
And I'm sure LG will get the price of its OLEDs even lower. I wouldn't be surprised to see the 65-incher selling for $2,000 this time next year. Samsung and others are sure to introduce expensive non-OLED TVs at CES, but they'll face a tougher battle than ever against OLED.
I think 65" is my end game. Anything bigger and it's just too overwhelming. Even if I move I don't think I'd want a set that large.
I've had my 50" Panny plasma since 2008 so I'm well overdue to make the jump. I don't mind spending upwards of $3500, but I just need something I'll feel comfortable with that will be future proof for at least half the amount of time I've had my current set.
In all honesty, I still love the PQ of my plasma. Games have always worked great on it and Blu-rays look as good as they can. It's been really good to me.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's talking to me right there. Though I'm still monitoring that Sony Z9D for the time being.
I've had my 50" Panny plasma since 2008 so I'm well overdue to make the jump. I don't mind spending upwards of $3500, but I just need something I'll feel comfortable with that will be future proof for at least half the amount of time I've had my current set.
In all honesty, I still love the PQ of my plasma. Games have always worked great on it and Blu-rays look as good as they can. It's been really good to me.
And I'm sure LG will get the price of its OLEDs even lower. I wouldn't be surprised to see the 65-incher selling for $2,000 this time next year.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's talking to me right there. Though I'm still monitoring that Sony Z9D for the time being.
50 (gave this one to my friend after I moved to SF) - 60 - 65 (2018, maybe 2019?) for me.
It's funny because between 2007 and 2013 I was rocking a 32" 720p Westinghouse. smh.
It's funny because between 2007 and 2013 I was rocking a 32" 720p Westinghouse. smh.
I've been with my 47' Samsung since I first started working. Used to think that was plenty but then my buddy got a 70' in his living room that wasn't any bigger than mine and I realized the error of my ways. That was back in 2015, been meaning to get a new TV forever now, but I keep moving around so it wasn't particularly feasible.
By HasphatsAnts Go To PostI've been with my 47' Samsung since I first started working. Used to think that was plenty but then my buddy got a 70' in his living room that wasn't any bigger than mine and I realized the error of my ways. That was back in 2015, been meaning to get a new TV forever now, but I keep moving around so it wasn't particularly feasible.
Especially with 4k sets, the bigger the better.
Well now I live in a smaller apartment than before and I don't spend time in the living room much. I think 55 is the largest I can accommodate and that's fine. I'll get a bigger screen when I get my own place eventually
My boy Hawk on ERA responding to a question I had. He has a E7 AND 65 Z9D
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I can see if I can, but the difference IRL is huge in the brightness factor and I don't think in pictures it would show as much. HDR is a massive difference in brightness level. Input lag is good, not as good as the LG but it is very good. The LG OLED or ZD9 would be great for gaming, but after owning the OLED for 3+ months after initially wanting the ZD9, the lower brightness of the HDR was bugging me and my wife gave the "ok" to get the ZD9. Going from one to the other imho was a big change for the better, especially for HDR gaming. There are some great things that the LG does, but again for gaming the ZD9 does edge it out.
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super disappointed in the 2018 OLEDs. Seem to be hardly any hardware improvements.
Samsungs microLED tho --- has the capability to dethrone OLED when it hits consumer market in 3-5 years. Self emitting just like OLED, so you get the perfect blacks, but can get muchhhhhh brighter.
Samsungs microLED tho --- has the capability to dethrone OLED when it hits consumer market in 3-5 years. Self emitting just like OLED, so you get the perfect blacks, but can get muchhhhhh brighter.
new thread: http://slaent.com/thread/1350083/