By Omzz Go To PostLol that's not a pimple, they're called molesi know about the multiple moles, but there's a pimple/bump right above her lip
By Zabojnik Go To PostI'm still recovering from Karen's final speech / article. Jesus Christ.
Did you look in the mirror and see a hero m8?
By Facism Go To PostDid you look in the mirror and see a hero m8?
I'm up to ep 3. Season had a slower start, but then the stair fight scene goes off in ep 3 and it gets its groove back. Bernthal is great as The Punisher.
By Zabojnik Go To PostI'm still recovering from Karen's final speech / article. Jesus Christ.yeah, that was bad, wouldn't be karen if it wasn't terrible.
Naw Foggy is crap. The dude is massively self centered. Him taking a big payday and running back to his ex is the perfect ending for him. Most of the altruistic behavior comes from his loyalty to Matt, rather than his own personal values and beliefs. Which is why so many of his complaints read like "me me me what about me". Matt is worried about stopping a mass murderer and the destruction of the city and Foggy is worried about how hard it is to give an opening argument. The first thing he does with the firm dissolved is take a big payday. Which is full circle because Matt convinced him to leave his path to corporate laywerdom in the first place.
It's between a flawed hero with high ideals and a normal dude, who when around that hero, attempts to be a better person. That's cool and all, but it's not him.
I fully expect Foggy in season 3 to devolve slowly into a typical big city egomaniacal cutthroat lawyer as he spends less time with Matt.
It's between a flawed hero with high ideals and a normal dude, who when around that hero, attempts to be a better person. That's cool and all, but it's not him.
I fully expect Foggy in season 3 to devolve slowly into a typical big city egomaniacal cutthroat lawyer as he spends less time with Matt.
By 3SidedPolygons Go To PostNaw Foggy is crap. The dude is massively self centered. Him taking a big payday and running back to his ex is the perfect ending for him. Most of the altruistic behavior comes from his loyalty to Matt, rather than his own personal values and beliefs. Which is why so many of his complaints read like "me me me what about me". Matt is worried about stopping a mass murderer and the destruction of the city and Foggy is worried about how hard it is to give an opening argument. The first thing he does with the firm dissolved is take a big payday. Which is full circle because Matt convinced him to leave his path to corporate laywerdom in the first place.
It's between a flawed hero with high ideals and a normal dude, who when around that hero, attempts to be a better person. That's cool and all, but it's not him.
I fully expect Foggy in season 3 to devolve slowly into a typical big city egomaniacal cutthroat lawyer as he spends less time with Matt.
Foggy was a true blue friend, but Matt was a horrible friend and partner. Last season Matt barely survived except for the help of his friends and now he got them into a case that ruined their firm, got Foggy shot, and started a relationship with Karen who Foggy liked. Throughout all of that not once did Matt try to explain wtf was happening to him besides to give Foggy another order he wouldn't want to do. Even in the end if Matt had asked him to stay I think he would of but Matt decided (like he always does) to cut ties instead of treating Foggy like an adult.
The only fucked thing Foggy sort of did was his demand for Matt to do the Punisher's court questioning. He was trying to force Matt to do more lawyer stuff when it was clear to everyone he was doing a great job with what he had. The only reason even that isn't too fucked up is he had no idea that shit with Elektra was happening, because once again Matt kept him ignorant about what was really going on. Shit he didn't even tell Foggy Kingpin said he was planning to kill him once he became free......
tl:dr Matt is a piece of shit to Foggy. Foggy did deserves better, but he is a masochist just like Daredevil. I expect DD season 3 to be a combination of Born Again and Last Rites and end these series
I disagree completely.Most of Foggy's complaints center around shit like "why don't you pick up your phone" and "why don't you show up prepared in court". Which is fine, until you know Matt is risking his life every night ultimately to make shit safer for you. Even when he found out about daredevil he was more pissed that Matt lied to him than he was that Matt almost died.
Matt is a shitty friend, clearly, but Matt has a good excuse. Foggy's a shitty friend, without a good excuse, more concerned at how Matt is treating him than he is at whether or not Matt's dead this evening. That's the difference between Karen and Foggy. Karen is disappointed in him but has no idea and just thinks Matt's an alcoholic irresponsible lazy lawyer who doesn't carry his half of the burden. The problem is Foggy knows what's up, and still thinks that.
They're not really equals. Foggy isn't a friend, he's someone who looks up to Matt and cares more about his relationship with Matt than he does Matt and he wants the relatively insignificant shit in his life to mean as much to Matt as saving lives. I would argue that Claire is a better friend to Matt, her concerns for Matt are genuine. Probably Karen will be too, now that she knows.
Matt is a shitty friend, clearly, but Matt has a good excuse. Foggy's a shitty friend, without a good excuse, more concerned at how Matt is treating him than he is at whether or not Matt's dead this evening. That's the difference between Karen and Foggy. Karen is disappointed in him but has no idea and just thinks Matt's an alcoholic irresponsible lazy lawyer who doesn't carry his half of the burden. The problem is Foggy knows what's up, and still thinks that.
They're not really equals. Foggy isn't a friend, he's someone who looks up to Matt and cares more about his relationship with Matt than he does Matt and he wants the relatively insignificant shit in his life to mean as much to Matt as saving lives. I would argue that Claire is a better friend to Matt, her concerns for Matt are genuine. Probably Karen will be too, now that she knows.
By 3SidedPolygons Go To PostI disagree completely.Most of Foggy's complaints center around shit like "why don't you pick up your phone" and "why don't you show up prepared in court". Which is fine, until you know Matt is risking his life every night ultimately to make shit safer for you. Even when he found out about daredevil he was more pissed that Matt lied to him than he was that Matt almost died.
Matt is a shitty friend, clearly, but Matt has a good excuse. Foggy's a shitty friend, without a good excuse, more concerned at how Matt is treating him than he is at whether or not Matt's dead this evening. That's the difference between Karen and Foggy. Karen is disappointed in him but has no idea and just thinks Matt's an alcoholic irresponsible lazy lawyer who doesn't carry his half of the burden. The problem is Foggy knows what's up, and still thinks that.
Yeah but once again all he knows is Matt is out picking fights and when he is around he is demanding they take a case that ruined their business. I am pretty sure Matt never explained shit about Ninjas to Foggy (and obviously Karen) and he completely skipped warning him about Kingpin swearing to snuff Foggy out. Matt doesn't tell Foggy any details about anything except after the fact that he did things that set in motion the ruination of their law firm and got him shot. I mean shit Foggy got shot and Matt didn't visit him, but when Matt got shot he spent the whole night looking for him, Almost got stabbed at the hospital and then snuck him home to recuperate. Also Foggy is a broke lawyer out there helping poor people. Its not like they were a multimillion dollar firm. Foggy is a wayyyyyyyyy better person than Matt and Matt is the superhero.
Eh, you're off base 3SP. At this point in time, Foggy had no idea about what was happening because Matt kept it from him. From his perspective, Fisk was in jail, the Yakuza were gone, and the Punisher was in custody with three big gangs all either dead or decimated. This was a time of peace in Hell's Kitchen while the Punisher was on trial. He had no idea about Elektra until well after Matt disappointed and failed to do the things he promised to do. Matt took on the Punisher case, Matt does the opening statement, and Matt questions the witnesses on stand. As far as Foggy knew, there was no big bad. Hell, there wasn't, truly, since it was just Matt following Elektra around like Bonnie and Clyde. They didn't even know until Nobu revealed himself to be alive. Foggy didn't know about that until well later.
I'm willing to concede that Foggy didn't know about the extent and danger that Matt was getting into, and the seriousness of his activities but I don't think that changes the essential dynamic much. Foggy just doesn't get Matt, nor care about him as much as he cares about his specific relationship with him. He has this notion of this college pal, "best friends who work together" relationship with Matt and that's of fundamental importance to him. People like Karen and Claire and the Punisher aren't reliant on Matt for their personalities. Karen investigates shit, Claire works her ass off and helps people, and Punisher does what he does completely separately from Matt. Foggy, on the other hand, would be dating that blonde chick and working as some high priced lawyer without Matt, and that's why the show finishing up like that was so fitting. I think Matt essentially pushing Foggy away in the end had to do with his safety and the Kingpin's threats, but it also had to do with the dawning realization that Foggy just doesn't get what he is, and what he has to do. Karen, Claire, Elektra, Punisher. They get that shit, they're not trying to hold on to some version of a relationship above all else even if they have their disagreements and doubts. Foggy's the only one placing petty demands about what Matt owes or doesn't owe him. Shit like, "I can't believe I have to keep your secret and lie for you because you're the daredevil" is the most self-centered shit ever. And it's Foggy to a T. He's the only one in that universe that doesn't get just how serious this Daredevil shit is.
Foggy's not a better person, at all. 95% of the altruism he does, from the cases he takes, to the people he helps, is a result of Matt and his values seeping into Foggy's behavior. Again, because Foggy values his relationship so much. Left to his own devices, he's not Claire, and he's not Karen. He's a hot shot lawyer drinking booze and dating blondes.
Foggy's not a better person, at all. 95% of the altruism he does, from the cases he takes, to the people he helps, is a result of Matt and his values seeping into Foggy's behavior. Again, because Foggy values his relationship so much. Left to his own devices, he's not Claire, and he's not Karen. He's a hot shot lawyer drinking booze and dating blondes.
I think you're projecting that onto Foggy. Him and Matt are friends because they hold the same values, not because Foggy wants to be Matt.
Yea ugh, Foggy and Matt's altruism was well established before Matt became a vigilante. Season 1 made clear of that.
when matt's out, foggy is either working on a case that Matt told him to take or following matt's directions. Absent that, he's not doing anything else. Starting that firm, leaving the other firm, Taking on Karen as a client, taking on most of their underprivileged clients, taking big risks with their firm to do the right thing. That's all Matt. Foggy doesn't just run back into the blonde's arms and accept that high paying corporate job as soon as the firm dissolves out of nowhere. It's where he'd be if Matt didn't convince him to change course in the season 1 flashback.
Look, Foggy's not a shit heel or anything, but he absolutely is looking up to, and following Matt down into that martyr path. It's not naturally him. And most of the time he's arguing against it.
Look, Foggy's not a shit heel or anything, but he absolutely is looking up to, and following Matt down into that martyr path. It's not naturally him. And most of the time he's arguing against it.
He's arguing against it because it's a completely insane thing to do, they have bills to pay, and he doesn't want his friend to die. If Foggy had special abilities he'd be doing the same thing in some capacity, but he doesn't, so he works within the law because that's something he can do. Matt doesn't leave him with much choice and there's nothing else he can do when they don't make any money and Matt isn't doing the work he's supposed to be doing anyway. They don't need to be in lockstep to hold the same values - that they aren't is why the rift between them is interesting in the first place.
You're ignoring the fact that Matt can perceive things that Foggy can't, and that informs his behavior in ways that could never apply to Foggy. Matt wanted to leave their old job because he learned something that Foggy (or anyone else) couldn't have ever discovered. Foggy is a regular dude who can be pushed and pulled like any other person, and he just happens to have Daredevil as an influence in his life.
You're ignoring the fact that Matt can perceive things that Foggy can't, and that informs his behavior in ways that could never apply to Foggy. Matt wanted to leave their old job because he learned something that Foggy (or anyone else) couldn't have ever discovered. Foggy is a regular dude who can be pushed and pulled like any other person, and he just happens to have Daredevil as an influence in his life.
By Jay Whatever Go To PostHe's arguing against it because it's a completely insane thing to do, they have bills to pay, and he doesn't want his friend to die. If Foggy had special abilities he'd be doing the same thing in some capacity, but he doesn't, so he works within the law because that's something he can do. Matt doesn't leave him with much choice and there's nothing else he can do when they don't make any money and Matt isn't doing the work he's supposed to be doing anyway. They don't need to be in lockstep to hold the same values - that they aren't is why the rift between them is interesting in the first place.
You're ignoring the fact that Matt can perceive things that Foggy can't, and that informs his behavior in ways that could never apply to Foggy. Matt wanted to leave their old job because he learned something that Foggy (or anyone else) couldn't have ever discovered. Foggy is a regular dude who can be pushed and pulled like any other person, and he just happens to have Daredevil as an influence in his life.
If money was important he would be understanding of matt servicing the one client that's actually paying them. Foggy doesn't give a fuck, he's content to pal around with Matt and do mostly whatever Matt thinks is right after some initial reservations. The difference is that this entire set of behavior is the result of matt's influence on him. Karen for example, being obsessed with uncovering the truth and putting herself in danger isn't because of Matt, or his orders. It's who she is naturally. She investigates shit and heads head first into danger - It's who she is whether or not Matt is hanging out with her. Ditto for Claire and her nursing/taking care of people shit. To me, there's a stark contrast between this behavior and Foggy's, just as there's a stark contrast between how Claire deals with Matt/Daredevil and Foggy does. I fully suspect Karen to be much the same way as Claire and not nearly as concerned about herself in this new development as Foggy was
just finished episode 9, show is starting to get good again
the prison fight was pretty nice, but I hope the show doesn't start overdoing it with the corridor fights
the prison fight was pretty nice, but I hope the show doesn't start overdoing it with the corridor fights
Fantastic Four: Silver Surfer is on HBO and holy shit, every single line is corny trash. No amount of prime Jessica Alba makes up for this.
By Zabojnik Go To PostI'm still recovering from Karen's final speech / article. Jesus Christ.can't believe they are gonna print that garbage
My boy 3Sided, you shoulda went with because he's fat too :x
I'm with you though, I'm not #TeamMatt but I feel like he still deserved a bit more slack.
'Alriiiight so this is clearly isn't for you, from now on just handle typing the obituary' *takes away her bottle of scotch*
I'm with you though, I'm not #TeamMatt but I feel like he still deserved a bit more slack.
By Omzz Go To Postcan't believe they are gonna print that garbagewouldn't it be funny if S3 started with her being fired over it
'Alriiiight so this is clearly isn't for you, from now on just handle typing the obituary' *takes away her bottle of scotch*
By Yurt Go To PostMy boy 3Sided, you shoulda went with because he's fat too :x
I'm with you though, I'm not #TeamMatt but I feel like he still deserved a bit more slack.
wouldn't it be funny if S3 started with her being fired over it
'Alriiiight so this is clearly isn't for you, from now on just handle typing the obituary' *takes away her bottle of scotch*
Just see a massive contrast between how everyone else in that show treats daredevil and how Foggy does. It's just incessant whining and a desire to revert back to "best friends strolling around the town practicing law" above all else. He just doesn't get how serious it is.
There's a line that Elektra says to stick
- "you'd rather kill me then have me outgrow you."
That doesn't apply to Stick because his reasons were different, we find out. But That's Foggy in a nutshell. he'd rather the daredevil persona get shut down then have it continue to affect their college roommate type friendship.
Maybe he's actually concerned about the life and safety and well being of his friend? I don't know why you're fixated on thinking Foggy only cares about the friendship because it gives him meaning. I think you're absolutely off base there.
By reilo Go To PostMaybe he's actually concerned about the life and safety and well being of his friend? I don't know why you're fixated on thinking Foggy only cares about the friendship because it gives him meaning. I think you're absolutely off base there.
Well of course that's there. They're friends. Foggy absolutely cares about his well being. But there's also a whole host of other complaints "Pick up your phone", "why weren't you in the courthouse, you left me alone", "why do I have to keep secrets for you", "how come you didn't tell me you're not just a blind doofus, we're friends, I can't trust you" Kind of shit that has nothing to do with his safety and everything to do with the friendship and how Foggy feels he's being treated.
Again, I'm not suggesting that Matt is a good friend. Dude is burning the candle at both ends, taking on way too much, and letting it affect his personal life. But the only guy who turns every situation into "what about me" is Foggy. He even does it in his lecture after he gets Daredevil home. He's like the friend that helps you get home when you fell down and broke your wrist, and then complains about all the ways that sucks for him.
Again, the final episode is a great conclusion in that it highlights the differences between them. Matt wouldn't take that cushy corporate job after the firm dissolved. Ever.
He wouldn't take it because he accepted he can't manage the two lives. That's why he wanted Foggy and Karen to do better for themselves. He needs to be Daredevil
I feel like all your conclusions and assertions to this are all wrong, 3SP. Foggy's behavior is completely human and natural and if anything, not self-centered. I don't understand how a person can leave a big payday corporate job to do pro-bono work and work public defendants wouldn't even do and then be labeled as selfish because his friend asked him to do it.
If a friend asked me to leave my salaried developer job that was safe to go fund a startup and it failed because he didn't pull his weight, I'd be pissed. Superhero vigilante or not. Don't promise me something and ask me to do something and drop the ball on your part of the job. But at the end of the day? Foggy wasn't even mad at Matt. He wanted him to still be part of his life so they could hang out at Josie's and drink bad liquor. They explicitly stated that.
If a friend asked me to leave my salaried developer job that was safe to go fund a startup and it failed because he didn't pull his weight, I'd be pissed. Superhero vigilante or not. Don't promise me something and ask me to do something and drop the ball on your part of the job. But at the end of the day? Foggy wasn't even mad at Matt. He wanted him to still be part of his life so they could hang out at Josie's and drink bad liquor. They explicitly stated that.
By Rob Go To PostHe wouldn't take it because he accepted he can't manage the two lives. That's why he wanted Foggy and Karen to do better for themselves. He needs to be Daredevil
No, he wouldn't take it because he thinks the point of the law is to put bad guys behind bars, represent the interests of the good guys, and give people a fair trial. In other words, dude's a crazy idealist. Law was always a means to a SJW end, instead of a career.
By reilo Go To PostI feel like all your conclusions and assertions to this are all wrong, 3SP. Foggy's behavior is completely human and natural and if anything, not self-centered. I don't understand how a person can leave a big payday corporate job to do pro-bono work and work public defendants wouldn't even do and then be labeled as selfish because his friend asked him to do it.
If a friend asked me to leave my salaried developer job that was safe to go fund a startup and it failed because he didn't pull his weight, I'd be pissed. Superhero vigilante or not. Don't promise me something and ask me to do something and drop the ball on your part of the job. But at the end of the day? Foggy wasn't even mad at Matt. He wanted him to still be part of his life so they could hang out at Josie's and drink bad liquor. They explicitly stated that.
Is your friend risking his life every night and responsible for putting the biggest crime syndicates in your city out of business? Is he also spending that extra time catering to the one private client who actually pays your bills?
Daredevil gets everyone into deep shit. Ben, Karen, Claire, the cops who work with him, etc. etc. Karen and Claire are romantically into the dude and are less possessive of his time and energy than Foggy is.
By reilo Go To PostWait, did you just call Foggy a SJW? FOH.
No I called Matt that.
I got no prob with Foggy or Karen at this point, but I do have ish with the lack of Bernthal is KILLING it discussion. He easily has the best scenes of the entire season.
His talk to Karen in the diner is maybe the best non-action scene of the series. Bernthal wears ugly and unapologetic like Bond wears a suit and tie.
His talk to Karen in the diner is maybe the best non-action scene of the series. Bernthal wears ugly and unapologetic like Bond wears a suit and tie.
I was talking to a friend about this and Bernthal is up there with RDJ as Ironman, D'onofrio as Fisk (which is why when they met it was for me the best scene in the whole season) Reynolds as Deadpool, and Jackman as Wolverine..... Its going to be hard imagining anyone else playing that role in real life and they'll probably have to do an entirely different interpretation of the character.
im absolutely captivated by this shit.i wish i had a whole day to watch it. im only six eps deep so far :(
elektra can have all my money tho
elektra can have all my money tho
Weirdly enough. I don't like Fisk and his portrayal. I know I'm like the only one. Just the way he talks. Throws me off.
Bernthal is amazing though. Best Netflix show acting since Mendelsohn in Bloodlines.
Bernthal is amazing though. Best Netflix show acting since Mendelsohn in Bloodlines.
Don't click this if you haven't finished, I suppose. Also, I've read one comic of the DD series. I'm not a big fan. so take that in mind.
What I love about Daredevil S2, is]that it does not hide from the dramatic and mythical nature of superheroes.
I wrote three paragraphs after that, but decided to delete it. I just feel the show succeeds by being mythical while being human at the same time, while other super hero properties feel the need to explain or dismiss their extra-human nature.
What I love about Daredevil S2, is]that it does not hide from the dramatic and mythical nature of superheroes.
I wrote three paragraphs after that, but decided to delete it. I just feel the show succeeds by being mythical while being human at the same time, while other super hero properties feel the need to explain or dismiss their extra-human nature.
By 3SidedPolygons Go To PostWeirdly enough. I don't like Fisk and his portrayal. I know I'm like the only one. Just the way he talks. Throws me offNo you ain't the only one, I'm with ya on this one too.
Bernthal was so good that I kinda lost interest in anyone but him for the duration of the season. And I mean, I loved Elektra, but if Elektra means more ninjas then no thanks.
By giririsss Go To PostUGH.It did fizzle out towards the end, but I still did enjoy the season
What a thoroughly bleh season.
By Omzz Go To PostIt did fizzle out towards the end, but I still did enjoy the seasonEverything was dealt with using a heavy hand.
SHIT LOAD OF SPOILERS AHEAD
The courtroom scene defending vigilantes, heavy handed, and acted REALLY bad.
The atrocious essay / article by Karen at the end.
The "love story" with Elektra.
You have Foggy basically being Charlie Brown levels of wishy washy, telling matt to fuck off if he's not going to be part of the law firm, then regretting saying so. Even after seeing him stand up for him self and over coming self doubt in the court room. He may just be based on Charlie Brown.
The I don't kill / should I kill / WAHHHHHHHHHH self conscious turmoil, that was fixed for him by someone else? And in a really stupid way? Ugh.
The punisher origin story (which is basically all this season REALLY was).
You only got about 1/3 of Elektra's origin story.
And "the hand" was introduced appallingly. "Don't listen for their heart beat, listen for the louder but obviously over looked sound of their breathing, which doesn't tell you anything about where their unarmed attacks are coming from".
He's killed Nobu twice, once from a "fall" and he came back, alive. Now we're meant to believe he would believe that a bigger fall would kill Nobu?
The scripts for this season were REALLY sub par. No subtlety. No Finesse.
So after 13 hours we're left with a Punisher origin story, the obvious plot for next season being Elektra / black sky, no law firm, and dead nobu x 2.
I mean outside some nice fights it was a pretty shitty season. I really had to force my self to finish it.
The sound of their breaths would tell him where the attacks are coming from because sound reflects off of everything.
By giririsss Go To PostHe's killed Nobu twice, once from a "fall" and he came back, alive. Now we're meant to believe he would believe that a bigger fall would kill Nobu?no, that's why sticks sliced his head off
Finally finished the whole season and it was definitely an improvement over Season 1. Can't wait for the Born Again S3