By Shanks D Zoro Go To PostANH: tatooine/death star-falcon/death star-death star-Yavin/death starYou're missing like 50 other minor locations they went to.
ESB: Hoth/ Vader's fleet-falcon/Vader's fleet-Dagobah/falcon-cloud city
ROTJ: Tatooine-Dagobah/rebel fleet-endor-endor/death star-endor/death star/space battle
They didn't really jump around and for all but the final parts ROTJ there were only ever two storylines happening. And for the most part you were following the journey to their locations.
EDIT: Sorry, confused it with Dagobah which you mentioned.
I think I am more annoyed that Star Wars is a Disney thing than Lucas not being directly involved. I loved the EU and felt the characters were always so great that I didn't mind whose interpretation they were, although I guess on screen is a different thing.
But Disney are about money, they are gonna absolute squeeze this franchise to death and do it for the money. As opposed to Lucas, who even though the prequels were not the greatest thing in the world, it was his child and wanted to see through his original vision.
But Disney are about money, they are gonna absolute squeeze this franchise to death and do it for the money. As opposed to Lucas, who even though the prequels were not the greatest thing in the world, it was his child and wanted to see through his original vision.
you know George lucas is bad even when movies he's produced directed by Spielberg (Indiana Jones 4) turns to shit.
I mean I'm glad he's not touching Star Wars ever again, but then again it wont feel like star wars ever again.
probably for the best.
I mean I'm glad he's not touching Star Wars ever again, but then again it wont feel like star wars ever again.
probably for the best.
By reilo Go To PostYou're missing like 50 other minor locations they went to.
EDIT: Sorry, confused it with Dagobah which you mentioned.
Only other locations i didn't mention were Tantive IV and that asteroid field. But regardless, you always knew how they got there.
By Shanks D Zoro Go To PostBut Disney are about money, they are gonna absolute squeeze this franchise to death and do it for the money. As opposed to Lucas, who even though the prequels were not the greatest thing in the world, it was his child and wanted to see through his original vision.I think that's like... patently false. Lucas was all in about the money and merchandise with Episode V and VI. I think you are ignoring a large chunk of history here.
http://www.celebritynetworth.com/articles/entertainment-articles/how-one-genius-decision-made-george-lucas-a-billionaire/
But the real money for George didn't come from box office receipts. Between 1977 and 1978, Star Wars sold $100 million worth of toys. 35 years later and Star Wars themed toys have generated $12 billion worth of revenue. Today, Star Wars licensed toys produce $3 billion a year in revenues. And keep in mind, after the first film George owned 100% of the rights to the entire franchise. The next five Star Wars movies would go on to earn an additional $3.5 billion at the box office. In total, the Star Wars empire has sold $4 billion worth of DVDs and VHS, $3 billion worth of video games, $2 billion worth of books and another $1.3 billion through various other licensing deals. That brings the grand grand revenue total after 35 years worth of Star Wars licensing to $27 billion. After expenses, taxes, fees etc… George Lucas had earned himself an impressive $3.3 billion net worth by 2012. Then, Disney came calling and gave him another $4 billion to purchase the entire franchise outright. The moral of the story? Without retaining these rights, Lucas would have done very well but his earnings would have been a tiny fraction of what they became. This windfall would not have been remotely possible if it wasn't for that single brilliant decision made back in 1973. George Lucas essentially traded $350,000 for more than $7 billion. That might be the smartest business decision of all time! So the lesson here is, if you believe in your idea, don't give up your rights easily!And:
Unable to meet the demand by Christmas 1977, Kenner sold an "Early Bird Certificate Package," which included a kind of I.O.U. that could be redeemed later for four Star Wars action figures (Luke Skywalker, Princess Leia, Chewbacca and R2-D2), a display stand, stickers and a Star Wars fan club membership card. In 1978, Kenner brought out four more action figures from the movie's Cantina scene, and soon after that the line grew to 20 items. By the end of 1978, Kenner had sold more than 40 million of the figures for gross sales of more than $100 million.http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/george-lucas-star-wars-288513
For the release of Empire Strikes Back, Lucasfilm and Kenner were ready, doing mail promotions and adding figures including Boba Fett. That was the beginning of the era of TV-driven marketing tied to a movie, according to Derryl DePriest, vp global brand management for Hasbro, which acquired Kenner in 1991 and later Galoob, another early Star Wars toy licensee: "That's been the lasting legacy of Star Wars. The impact it has had on really big event-style merchandising."
By Fenderputty Go To PostYou haven't fully given yourself up to the darkside.Don't get me wrong, I'm hyped too. I like Abrams and everything looks great so far. Star Wars just doesn't quite hit home for me as an overall franchise.
I"m hyped as fuck for this. I really only hated the first movie in the prequels even though they were all pretty damn sub par when compared to the originals.
It's fun and exciting and touching at times, but it's all a bit silly.
Also: if the prequels didn't have the name "Star Wars" attached they'd be ridiculed as utter atrocities and laughed at like Battlefield Earth. They're irredeemable.
The roots of the franchise's toyetic present — and, in fact, the roots of the word "toyetic" — can be traced all the way back to the release of the very first Star Wars movie in 1977. In what might well be the single largest financial blunder in Hollywood history, 20th Century Fox allowed George Lucas to retain all the licensing and merchandising rights to Star Wars in exchange for a $500,000 directorial fee. In 2014, the overall value of the Star Wars franchise was estimated at $37 billion; with Episodes VII, VIII, and IX on the way — along with a slew of spin-offs — it will soon be worth much more. One research firm estimates that sales of Star Wars merchandise could exceed $5 billion in 2016 alone. That's more than the combined global grosses of every single Star Wars movie that has ever hit theaters — including several rounds of re-releases.
Toys and other products have always been the true lifeblood of the Star Wars franchise: they made the most money, and kept Star Wars alive and relevant during the long, fallow periods between movies. By the time George Lucas got to the prequel trilogy in the early 2000s, entire scenes felt like they had been designed around the toys they might spawn. Take Episode III's ludicrous fight between Obi-Wan Kenobi and General Grievous, which led to an even more ludicrous Motorized Ball vs. Giant Lizard chase scene — all of which was faithfully reproduced in a LEGO set.http://theweek.com/articles/575363/star-wars-isnt-movie-franchise-toy-franchise
I can keep going... But if you don't think Lucas was about the money then lol.
By reilo Go To PostI think that's like... patently false. Lucas was all in about the money and merchandise with Episode V and VI. I think you are ignoring a large chunk of history here.
Money was a consequence of the films, but not the driving point. I mean he basically directed half of ESB and most of ROTJ because he wanted to make sure they were perfect. And we only got ESB because Lucas funded the movie himself.
As opposed to Lucas, who even though the prequels were not the greatest thing in the world, it was his child and wanted to see through his original vision.I'm mostly arguing that point... The entire prequels were made like there was toy licensing franchise on the line. He made billions off of it on merchandising. To say he did it for "the art" is, imo, patently false. At least Disney is honest in their intentions.
I just don't think your opinion has many roots in objectivity given the copious amounts of merchandise, videogames, comic books, TV shows, and other spinoffs we've already seen prior to Disney buying the franchise. Sorry, but I don't buy it. Saying that Disney is gonna whore it out is implying that Lucas hadn't already done so.
By Shanks D Zoro Go To PostMoney was a consequence of the films, but not the driving point. I mean he basically directed half of ESB and most of ROTJ because he wanted to make sure they were perfect. And we only got ESB because Lucas funded the movie himself.
The reason ESB is so good is because he kept out of the way and let Kersh do his thing
By reilo Go To PostI'm mostly arguing that point... The entire prequels were made like there was toy licensing franchise on the line. He made billions off of it on merchandising. To say he did it for "the art" is, imo, patently false. At least Disney is honest in their intentions.
then he could have easily just given the reigns over to someone else. Lucas made a ton of money and could have just allowed anyone to direct it while he was already a billionaire. But rightly or wrongly he always wanted to be hands on and viewed himself as a grand visionary in movie making.
And you acting like it is a fact when you have no proof that he designed scenes around potential toy marketing.
By n8 Go To PostThe reason ESB is so good is because he kept out of the way and let Kersh do his thing
lol no he didn't
By reilo Go To PostHe did give it over to someone else: Disney, for $4 billion dollars.
Yep, he had told the story that he wanted to tell. No point in him making movies he was never really invested in.
Except he had an outline for Episode VII that they initially used but threw out? There's a reason Disney negotiated zero creative control for the franchise. I think you're off on this by a wide margin. Lucas isn't a saint and the prequels scream like a cash grab.
I really don't have any interest in dissecting the plot at all tbh.
And Star Wars has thrived outside of the films without Lucas--its been proven time and time again that quality material can be produced in his universe without his involvement. There's such tremendous potential for this universe with the framework Abrams is establishing with TFA.
And Star Wars has thrived outside of the films without Lucas--its been proven time and time again that quality material can be produced in his universe without his involvement. There's such tremendous potential for this universe with the framework Abrams is establishing with TFA.
By reilo Go To PostExcept he had an outline for Episode VII that they initially used but threw out? There's a reason Disney negotiated zero creative control for the franchise. I think you're off on this by a wide margin. Lucas isn't a saint and the prequels scream like a cash grab.There is even footage of him bemoaning how much Titanic made.
By reilo Go To PostExcept he had an outline for Episode VII that they initially used but threw out? There's a reason Disney negotiated zero creative control for the franchise. I think you're off on this by a wide margin. Lucas isn't a saint and the prequels scream like a cash grab.
there is a difference between having an outline for a story and it being "your story". It wasn't his story to tell. He was willing to give it all away.
Anyways I guess we will just continue to disagree :D
Arsenal time
It can't be argued that Lucas had a huge focus on the merchandising potential of the prequels--but I believe it had a negligible impact on the quality of the films themselves. The political nature of the films didn't lend itself well at all to the sort of appeal you'd look for if money was the primary objective. I think it's more likely that George's sense of his universe matured with him over the years--and his ideas just went in a direction that was completely opposite of what the vast majority of the fanbase wanted.
For $4 billion United States dollars. You're speaking about it like he gave it away for charity.
Honestly, there are so many merchandising and multi-disciplinary spinoff trends that Star Wars established in the movie industry that was unprecedented. If anything, Disney is keeping Lucas' original vision alive.
Honestly, there are so many merchandising and multi-disciplinary spinoff trends that Star Wars established in the movie industry that was unprecedented. If anything, Disney is keeping Lucas' original vision alive.
By Shanks D Zoro Go To Postlol no he didn't
Yep, he had told the story that he wanted to tell. No point in him making movies he was never really invested in.
Yeah he did. Was fighting against the studio the entire time in ANH so was reigned in, was producing loads of shit and focusing a little on Indiana Jones on ESB (not to mention a Kasdan rewrite of his script), and tried fucking up the third with all his Ewok shit in the third.
See I came into this movie fairly recently and I am liking the change so far. I have no nostalgia for the series as it is fairly new to me so I can't really touch on all the extended books and coverage.
I would assume the books sold but were not very good? I know for other big franchises that have comic and book tie ins, the extended tie ins and universe are usually not that good in comparison to the cinema release. That is true for Gundam and other franchises.
My favourite thing is of the movies is Stormtrooper design and the dogfights in space. I hope they choreography more of those battles instead of completely focus on lightsaber battle or war battle field. It seems like Episode VII has new Stormtrooper design? They aren't all clone anymore.
I thought the Clone designs weren't as good as Stormtrooper. The multiple villain in movie 1-3 kind of put me off. I hope they have a singular focus for a villain in these movie like IV-VI.
I would assume the books sold but were not very good? I know for other big franchises that have comic and book tie ins, the extended tie ins and universe are usually not that good in comparison to the cinema release. That is true for Gundam and other franchises.
My favourite thing is of the movies is Stormtrooper design and the dogfights in space. I hope they choreography more of those battles instead of completely focus on lightsaber battle or war battle field. It seems like Episode VII has new Stormtrooper design? They aren't all clone anymore.
I thought the Clone designs weren't as good as Stormtrooper. The multiple villain in movie 1-3 kind of put me off. I hope they have a singular focus for a villain in these movie like IV-VI.
By K@do Go To Postumm, where's Mark Hamilll in that trailer,
and he doesn't seem to be visible in the poster?
I need this answered now dammit.
You really want an answer? Well, the rumor is that Luke only appears in the final seconds of the movie.
By LFMartins86 Go To PostYou really want an answer? Well, the rumor is that Luke only appears in the final seconds of the movie.plot thickens. he's the baddie confirmed.
By K@do Go To Postsnip
for real... he put the spoilers there for a reason....
if wild speculations are considred spoilers, i really dont know what is safe to talk about then.
w/e i'll appease.
w/e i'll appease.
By K@do Go To Postif wild speculations are considred spoilers, i really dont know what is safe to talk about then.
w/e i'll appease.
I understand it's wild speculation, and I think it's absolutely okay to talk about, but there are some folks who just don't want to take part in those conversations while still participating in the thread. Putting up spoiler tags is a small inconvenience for you, but it sure can go a long way to help everybody enjoy the thread, no?
I remember when before Mass Effect 2 came out, somebody just randomly posted a "Bet new Normandy is a Reaper" spoiler, and even though I knew he didn't have much to go on, and it's probably not true. It fucked with me a little bit when I first played the game. Don't want any part of that no more.