By Fenderputty Go To PostVery little is worth 125K intrinsically. The subjective value of a vanity buy seems to depend on this to some extent. Beautiful watch though. I think my favorite on this page is still the Hamilton Gaby posted.
Why isnt it?
It's much beyond the labor that goes into it. Luxury goods' prices are inflated by the fact that what they're selling is not just the object but also the manifestation of privilege. Rolex is not just selling a piece of equipment, although their original play was to provide some sort of top-of-the-line tool, and part of their charm is that they're a bit rugged stylistically. They are now selling an experience, a sign of wealth. You can not just show up to a dealer and have any model you want. They will discontinue some for no material reason, they will make you wait months with no intention of improving their production facitilities, etc. To put it another way, you are paying for a terrible customer experience so that you will feel you are part of a minority. Patek, AD, etc, are no different in that respect.
You would think competition (similar movements, same materials, same labor) would lower those prices. But it can not, because ceteris paribus, people will buy the object with semiological qualities, the one that says they're part of an elite. Pretty trashy imo. To call it art is seldomly deserved even though I appreciate the craft.
You would think competition (similar movements, same materials, same labor) would lower those prices. But it can not, because ceteris paribus, people will buy the object with semiological qualities, the one that says they're part of an elite. Pretty trashy imo. To call it art is seldomly deserved even though I appreciate the craft.
By Gaby Go To PostIt's much beyond the labor that goes into it. Luxury goods' prices are inflated by the fact that what they're selling is not just the object but also the manifestation of privilege. Rolex is not just selling a piece of equipment, although their original play was to provide some sort of top-of-the-line tool, and part of their charm is that they're a bit rugged stylistically. They are now selling an experience, a sign of wealth. You can not just show up to a dealer and have any model you want. They will discontinue some for no material reason, they will make you wait months with no intention of improving their production facitilities, etc. To put it another way, you are paying for a terrible customer experience so that you will feel you are part of a minority. Patek, AD, etc, are no different in that respect.
Ahhhh I see, yeah I that makes alot of sense.
By Gaby Go To PostYou would think competition (similar movements, same materials, same labor) would lower those prices. But it can not, because ceteris paribus, people will buy the object with semiological qualities, the one that says they're part of an elite. Pretty trashy imo. To call it art is seldomly deserved.
Agree with the first part disagree with second, I wouldn't think twice about dropping X on a watch not because I think I'm part of an elite but primarily because they are excellent investment vehicles, there are few objects/things that you can enjoy while it rising in value. I can pass them down to my son without worries inheritance tax and I do think that level of engineering is an art form.
I don't know how much prices can appreciate. It's not like a car, that's for sure. It won't lose too much, but I doubt anyone can really predict what the next Daytona will be. But I too like the sentimental value of watches.
By Shanks D Zoro Go To PostI think i am gonna buy this as my next Omega.Just buy a 150$ Vincero watch and pretend it's a prestigious one. Nobody will care, including yourself. Good day.
By Zabojnik Go To PostJust buy a 150$ Vincero watch and pretend it's a prestigious one. Nobody will care, including yourself. Good day.
I thought you were taking the piss, but this ain't too bad. https://vincerowatches.com/products/the-chrono-s-black-silver-40mm
By Kidjr Go To PostWhy isnt it?
I mean ... gold has no intrinsic value beyond being a great electrical conductor. A diamonds intrinsic value is that it's really hard and can cut things well. The intrinsic value of a watch is that is can tell time, and in this case, in multiple time zones. Art is an apt comparison. Craftsmanship, style, history in the name, rarity, status all increase it's subjective value to us.
EDIT: I really like that Omega.
By Gaby Go To PostTo call it art is seldomly deserved even though I appreciate the craft.
This is why it's like art though.
By Kidjr Go To PostAgree with the first part disagree with second, I wouldn't think twice about dropping X on a watch not because I think I'm part of an elite but primarily because they are excellent investment vehicles, there are few objects/things that you can enjoy while it rising in value. I can pass them down to my son without worries inheritance tax and I do think that level of engineering is an art form.I don’t think the investment part is actually true unless it’s a very in demand and limited item. A watch loses like half its value as soon as it’s worn.
If you want an actual Veblen good that is also an excellent investment vehicle, just invest in Hermes birkin bags lol.
By Fenderputty Go To PostThis is why it's like art though.Pateks are not art tho. It is still mass produced designs. Maybe Roger W Smith is artistry, out of the notion that one person does it all, it could be thought of at as performance art. But art is not about it being rare.
Is Peter Max's work not art, then? A lot of it is mass-produced designs. Unless I am misunderstanding you?
By Gaby Go To PostPateks are not art tho. It is still mass produced designs. Maybe Roger W Smith is artistry, out of the notion that one person does it all, it could be thought of at as performance art. But art is not about it being rare.
I'm in agreement that it's not art .... it's like art though. Our disagreement with Kid in this regard just highlights the nature of the subjective value we place in these things. Video game are ART says gamer into Anime while the dude really into indy movies scoffs lol
By Gaby Go To PostPateks are not art tho. It is still mass produced designs. Maybe Roger W Smith is artistry, out of the notion that one person does it all, it could be thought of at as performance art. But art is not about it being rare.A watchmaker is an artisan. It's as much art as paintings and sculptures are.
By Perfect Blue Go To PostA watchmaker is an artisan. It's as much art as paintings and sculptures are.As in, it could be but it's not?
There's nothing wrong with something being a craft and only some being artistic. Clothes can be art, but your run-of-the-mill H&M denim jacket is not. Neither is a 500 dollars plain white shirt from Saint Laurent, even if Saint Laurent produced some art pieces. Same with watches.
By Gaby Go To PostAs in, it could be but it's not?I see what you mean but I think that's ultimately a pointless distinction to make. The fact that something exists that's mass produced and sold at Wall-Mart doesn't erase the fact that watchmaking is an artisan trade from centuries ago.
There's nothing wrong with something being a craft and only some being artistic. Clothes can be art, but your run-of-the-mill H&M denim jacket is not. Neither is a 500 dollars plain white shirt from Saint Laurent, even if Saint Laurent produced some art pieces. Same with watches.
What would we call this?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patek_Philippe_Henry_Graves_Supercomplication
Since you've used the word twice now, I feel obliged to tell you that artisan is french for craftsman :)
And that watch does not elicit much emotion from me, no matter how pretty or precious, thus I don't see it as art.
And that watch does not elicit much emotion from me, no matter how pretty or precious, thus I don't see it as art.
By Gaby Go To PostSince you've used the word twice now, I feel obliged to tell you that artisan is french for craftsman :)Haha I know. Painters for ages were considered on the same level as carpenters or blacksmiths.
And that watch does not elicit much emotion from me, no matter how pretty or precious, thus I don't see it as art.
Interesting view. I’m in awe of the engineering of it so I suppose that could be considered emotion.
I mean, don't get me wrong, I love it. And watches can make me emotional. I bought a Junghans chronograph for my mom, telling her that if ever I have a kid, she'll pass it down (i don't have the cash to splurge on 5k+$ watches). She never wears it by the way and my love life is a fucking mess, but that's beside the point, I still fetishize :)
By Perfect Blue Go To PostHaha I know. Painters for ages were considered on the same level as carpenters or blacksmiths.
Interesting view. I’m in awe of the engineering of it so I suppose that could be considered emotion.
the amount of skill it takes to make a custom staircase is insane. Same with a piece of furniture. A dude specializing in painting custom cars is another example. Fuck ... drywall mudding is an art in the construction field
By Gaby Go To PostStowa is a good call if you want the minimalist WW2 look with the blued hands.I love this. I love tach inspired watches. I might cop 😍
Sinn 556 A if you want an evolution of the sort.
If you allow me a more excentric suggestion, the Farer GMT Lander 2.
By Perfect Blue Go To PostI don’t think the investment part is actually true unless it’s a very in demand and limited item. A watch loses like half its value as soon as it’s worn.
If you want an actual Veblen good that is also an excellent investment vehicle, just invest in Hermes birkin bags lol.
But alot of watch companies do create a finite supply of something but market it so the brand increases in demand. While I'm not a watch trader I'm pretty confident most of the time pieces I own have gone up in value or atleast held. I'm not talking crazy 100% returns but a steady 10%.
By Gaby Go To PostAs in, it could be but it's not?
There's nothing wrong with something being a craft and only some being artistic. Clothes can be art, but your run-of-the-mill H&M denim jacket is not. Neither is a 500 dollars plain white shirt from Saint Laurent, even if Saint Laurent produced some art pieces. Same with watches.
But I think the fundamental difference is the process, watches become art when they are automatic
By reilo Go To PostI love this. I love tach inspired watches. I might cop 😍A man of taste.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGTnQaInBoU
Missed this thread. Love watches, but I just don't really have the money to buy something I really want yet.
Got this Seiko.
And this one from Armani.
The Seiko one got way too busy for my taste these days. And a bit bulky with the timer ring on top. So I mainly stick to the Armani. If I ever hit the lottery I'll get a Nautilus from Patek to go with some Nautilus tweeters from Bowers & Wilkins to live that luxury life.
I also confess to wearing the insult of every watch enthusiast out there, I often sport a Daniel Wellington with a nato strap.
Also, Kid is playing his game way beyond Slaent, sweet watches dude
Got this Seiko.
And this one from Armani.
The Seiko one got way too busy for my taste these days. And a bit bulky with the timer ring on top. So I mainly stick to the Armani. If I ever hit the lottery I'll get a Nautilus from Patek to go with some Nautilus tweeters from Bowers & Wilkins to live that luxury life.
I also confess to wearing the insult of every watch enthusiast out there, I often sport a Daniel Wellington with a nato strap.
Also, Kid is playing his game way beyond Slaent, sweet watches dude
By Linius Go To PostMissed this thread. Love watches, but I just don't really have the money to buy something I really want yet.
Got this Seiko.
And this one from Armani.
The Seiko one got way too busy for my taste these days. And a bit bulky with the timer ring on top. So I mainly stick to the Armani. If I ever hit the lottery I'll get a Nautilus from Patek to go with some Nautilus tweeters from Bowers & Wilkins to live that luxury life.
I also confess to wearing the insult of every watch enthusiast out there, I often sport a Daniel Wellington with a nato strap.
Also, Kid is playing his game way beyond Slaent, sweet watches dude
Nice collection man.
Wai, Kid is hiding stuff from us?
Handed down by my father, one of the rarest and most sought after Patek Philippe watches in history.
The Cloisonné dial on this 1954 Patek Philippe is considered to be one of the most outstanding Cloisonné dials ever produced on a wristwatch, and arguably it is the top Cloisonné dial to ever appear on a Patek Philippe.
This magnificent Cloisonné dial was hand-enamled by Miss Marguerit Kock for the Stern Fréres company in 1953 and it was inserted into a pink gold case. The watch had a calibur 27sc and the tropical dials French name was "Forét Vierge."
A stunning antique without a doubt. In today’s climate, auction prices are said to go upwards of $1M.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Watches/comments/co48nc/patek_philippe_1954_tropical_cloisonné_dial
By Shanks D Zoro Go To PostI think i am gonna buy this as my next Omega.My grail watch currently. It's not terribly expensive as for as watches can go, but I'm no where near being able to afford it. It's funny how much Omega banks on the "Moonwatch" label for advertising. Google adsense knows how big a fan I am of this watch, as I was absolutely bombarded with ads around the 50th anniversary of the moon landing. It was quite painful :(
By Gaby Go To PostSpeaking of, here's the watch I wear the most. Pretty versatile.This is also a beautiful watch. Don't know which Panda I like more, the Hamilton or Omega Speedmaster.
Orient has a quite nice and much cheaper Panda I might look into.
There are so many watches I'd buy right away if I'd become a millionaire over night.
By bacon Go To PostMy grail watch currently. It's not terribly expensive as for as watches can go, but I'm no where near being able to afford it. It's funny how much Omega banks on the "Moonwatch" label for advertising. Google adsense knows how big a fan I am of this watch, as I was absolutely bombarded with ads around the 50th anniversary of the moon landing. It was quite painful :(
Yeah, Omega making a big push this year with the 50th anniversary.
Fixed it, thanks mate. I should probably say it really looks better in person. The strap is a little bit plasticky, but it's a good first G-shock and has a nice history.
By Kidjr Go To PostYooooo mister that is lovely man, love watches where you can see the workings.
thanks, first mechanical watch I bought after it caught my eye walking through the store and also on the recommendation of a friend who's into watches. looks even better in person than those low-res pictures.
It's cheaper than I thought it would be, too. $350 or less online at Amazon and Wal-Mart(!).
e: it was easier for me to find when searching for SSA358, but it should be the same watch: https://seikousa.com/products/ssa358
e: it was easier for me to find when searching for SSA358, but it should be the same watch: https://seikousa.com/products/ssa358
By Kibner Go To PostIt's cheaper than I thought it would be, too. $350 or less online at Amazon and Wal-Mart(!).
e: it was easier for me to find when searching for SSA358, but it should be the same watch: https://seikousa.com/products/ssa358
that's the one, I got it for $300
By Mister0079 Go To Postthat's the one, I got it for $300I'm trying to save some money right now, otherwise I would have bought it. It looks like a really nice watch that would be within my normal budget for such a thing!
e: get that and a g-shock and i'll be set for most times i would want to wear a watch lol