Those same pundits' arguments were cited by some in this thread to defend the Dems caving on the first shutdown.
I want Democrats to use leverage when they have it. Their only leverage was a shutdown and PR blitz, so yes in that case I would have preferred for the shutdown to continue.
That comes with the massive disclaimer that I don't trust Dems in the slightest to outmessage Republicans. I also recognize that Dems were in a difficult position, but I don't expect them to suddenly start acting with conviction or courage when they're pushed into power in 2018/2020.
That comes with the massive disclaimer that I don't trust Dems in the slightest to outmessage Republicans. I also recognize that Dems were in a difficult position, but I don't expect them to suddenly start acting with conviction or courage when they're pushed into power in 2018/2020.
Dems couldn’t even get the message out that Trump was an incompetent piece of shit racist that has no business being president and y’all expect them to shut the government down so the blame is on Republicans
In a battle between Fox News and the Democrats, Fox News wins 11 out of 10 times. A shutdown accomplishes nothing besides ending the blue wave.
In a battle between Fox News and the Democrats, Fox News wins 11 out of 10 times. A shutdown accomplishes nothing besides ending the blue wave.
By Smokey Go To PostDems memo rejected by TrumpShocked.
Shocked an clearly innocent man would do such a thing.
Wow the media is going to have to call him out to his base for being a punk ass coward
Either that or the Dems leak
Or both
Preferably both
Either that or the Dems leak
Or both
Preferably both
I want nyettimes to feed America more bullshit about "real America" but this time I want the circus to involve asking his base if Trump's withholding of information from them is what Trump meant by keeping his promises to them
They need to be manipulated into wanting that memo even more than we do. Curiosity needs to kill the cat hiding in trumps fucking hair
They need to be manipulated into wanting that memo even more than we do. Curiosity needs to kill the cat hiding in trumps fucking hair
By Smoke Dogg Go To PostI want nyettimes to feed America more bullshit about "real America" but this time I want the circus to involve asking his base if Trump's withholding of information from them is what Trump meant by keeping his promises to themhis base doesnt care or know what a memo is lol
They need to be manipulated into wanting that memo even more than we do. Curiosity needs to kill the cat hiding in trumps fucking hair
True. I give up with his base. Fucking automatic handicap built into America's source code at this point.
By HasphatsAnts Go To Post
Trump's so good at unintentionally playing good cop bad cop it's remarkable.
I asked in the random thread because of this.
I truly honestly believe that North Koreans are the only dictators in the world smart enough and petty enough to make sure that Trump is not the one who finally undoes them. They have standards and dignity yet.
By DY_nasty Go To Postdid a pollSo 11% of Real Americans™ do?
89% of the army does not want a parade
trump pls
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43012426
A speechwriter has become the second White House aide this week to resign amid allegations of domestic abuse.
David Sorensen denies his former wife's allegations he was violent and emotionally abusive.
A speechwriter has become the second White House aide this week to resign amid allegations of domestic abuse.
David Sorensen denies his former wife's allegations he was violent and emotionally abusive.
By Kibner Go To PostThe War on Drugs attacks the problem in entirely the wrong way and it's terrible.But it gives politicians the high they so desperately crave.
By Kibner Go To PostThe War on Drugs attacks the problem in entirely the wrong way and it's terrible.Symptom of a greater problem. I get more about just drugging yourself and dealing with life that way than the reverse tbh. I've just always been kept in check by other things.
that's.... kinda not where i'm going with this
using the national guard to combat something like a drug frenzy (of opiods of all things) is setting a crazy precedent. i get that federal help did come as well in the past few months, but i feel there should be some additional buffer between "we asked for help and it wasn't enough" and "we need NG assets to search all the trains and every bus into and out of the city"
using the national guard to combat something like a drug frenzy (of opiods of all things) is setting a crazy precedent. i get that federal help did come as well in the past few months, but i feel there should be some additional buffer between "we asked for help and it wasn't enough" and "we need NG assets to search all the trains and every bus into and out of the city"
By DY_nasty Go To Postthat's…. kinda not where i'm going with thisWasn't it also called in a years ago to help Baltimore or some other city with a spike in drug usage?
using the national guard to combat something like a drug frenzy (of opiods of all things) is setting a crazy precedent. i get that federal help did come as well in the past few months, but i feel there should be some additional buffer between "we asked for help and it wasn't enough" and "we need NG assets to search all the trains and every bus into and out of the city"
By Random Ass Username Go To PostY'all the only ones with people and money. The military that is.ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh i can't commit to that on this one. for starters, national guard is state money for the most part
but also federal can shift money towards all sorts of directed efforts and build institutions for all sorts of stuff (shout out to ice and border patrol gettin that come up the past few years)
i kinda feel like the state is going out of its way to push this sort of effort. its not like this administration has entirely overlooked the opoid issue either ironically.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/23/health/patrick-kennedy-opioid-commission-sham/index.html
and its partially because of this too. i remember the commission from earlier last year, but its comical that kennedy of all people wants to say that trump damned all of this to fail. congress sat on their hands again and the statements from congress as a whole dismiss the blowjobs they were giving pharma for so long
i don't think west virginia is a state that's "loud" enough to draw significant attention in their requests for help or with their overhanded approach to the problem. but because both things happened the way they did, i can't be all that shocked if a state like georgia or michigan followed in their footsteps eventually
By Kibner Go To PostWasn't it also called in a years ago to help Baltimore or some other city with a spike in drug usage?most recently they were activated short term for protests lol
i can't trip too much for that because i trust military to deal with that sort of thing than typical police forces anyways. the trigger happy people aren't the guys in camo...
im struggling to recall a drug usage related deployment though. i'm struggling to rationalize it because there's no real finish line for something like that. i'm not sure at what point you'd consider it over - especially in regards to WV's situation. they need solutions that the NG can't even provide for the most part.
Just doing some quick googling and it looks like the Governor of Maine threated to call in the guard in 2015. New Hampshire threatened in 2016. Puerto Rico's governor called it in early 2013.
e: all over drug issues
e: all over drug issues
By Kibner Go To PostJust doing some quick googling and it looks like the Governor of Maine threated to call in the guard in 2015. New Hampshire threatened in 2016. Puerto Rico's governor called it in early 2013.puerto rico's shit was crazy tho lol
e: all over drug issues
By DY_nasty Go To Postpuerto rico's shit was crazy tho lolI was just trying to find precedents and didn't actually read the articles. Lol
By Kibner Go To PostI was just trying to find precedents and didn't actually read the articles. Lolwell, because PR is a territory in addition to being in a very 'accessible' location compared to the states its got a different brand of fukkery. iirc the navy had its hands full and the NG activation was more of a "yeah i think we should help too lolz" situation
maine though... it think that situation lines up a bit better, but they also have the infrastructure blah blah blah you know what i'm saying they're not a shithole state like west virginia
There's a lot of noise around student loan debt forgiveness, but I wonder how progressive these policies really will be if we looked at the racial splits of where this money would be going to.
State colleges being free would do a lot more to right societal wrongs than giving college grads money
By HasphatsAnts Go To PostState colleges being free would do a lot more to right societal wrongs than giving college grads moneyWhy would you even compare these two things?
By Random Ass Username Go To PostWhy would you even compare these two things?because the higher ed bubble is why we have these issues to begin with?
By HasphatsAnts Go To Postbecause the higher ed bubble is why we have these issues to begin with?state colleges being free ain't the same as dropping debt
unless i'm missing something
By HasphatsAnts Go To Postbecause the higher ed bubble is why we have these issues to begin with?That's only part of the damn problem. And a really reductionist look at just about everything going wrong for millennials.
By DY_nasty Go To Poststate colleges being free ain't the same as dropping debt
unless i'm missing something
One seeks to fix a problem for specific group of people and the other gets around to fixing that same exact problem in perpetuity. The problem being that a college education did not turn out to be the investment that it was billed to be.
By HasphatsAnts Go To PostOne seeks to fix a problem for specific group of people and the other gets around to fixing that same exact problem in perpetuity. The problem being that a college education did not turn out to be the investment that it was billed to be.i mean, yeah, but its not a real solution if you just kinda say the absolute best cast case scenario is to fix one half of one half of the problem (ish)
the investment of college education isn't the entirety of the issue either really imo. the landscape changed and very little about the structure of school -> work -> contribution really kept pace. you make state schools free and you've still got a bunch of people screwed and the same general issues awaiting those that graduate once they get out. i wouldn't even call it a bandaid solution as much as it is a deflection from the much bigger problem of cost of living accelerating faster than many can keep pace.
debt forgiveness would give many a real, actual bounce to get back ahead while giving some much needed momentum as well.
state schools being free is great and all but... eh
By DY_nasty Go To Posti wouldn't even call it a bandaid solution as much as it is a deflection from the much bigger problem of cost of living accelerating faster than many can keep pace.Job shrinkage. Lack of protections. Baby boomers not retiring. Abundance of part time low paying jobs rather than stuff that actually pays in order to even get a foot in the door of some companies/nonprofits. I could go on...
By Random Ass Username Go To PostJob shrinkage. Lack of protections. Baby boomers not retiring. Abundance of part time low paying jobs rather than stuff that actually pays in order to even get a food in the door of some companies/nonprofits. I could go on…i'm not saying its the same as building dat wall, but its in the same ballpark of feel good expensive solutions that halfway fix massive and growing problems due to framing and/or compartmentalization
debt forgiveness is already giving a lot of ground as to where the starting point should be imho. but either way in just 10 years people are gonna be fucked and the conversation then will be handouts to survive and get by vs how to succeed and progress like previous generations
By DY_nasty Go To Posti mean, yeah, but its not a real solution if you just kinda say the absolute best cast case scenario is to fix one half of one half of the problem (ish)
the investment of college education isn't the entirety of the issue either really imo. the landscape changed and very little about the structure of school -> work -> contribution really kept pace. you make state schools free and you've still got a bunch of people screwed and the same general issues awaiting those that graduate once they get out. i wouldn't even call it a bandaid solution as much as it is a deflection from the much bigger problem of cost of living accelerating faster than many can keep pace.
debt forgiveness would give many a real, actual bounce to get back ahead while giving some much needed momentum as well.
state schools being free is great and all but… eh
See the problem you described isn't really solved by debt forgiveness either. What you're describing is essentially the effect of stagnant wage growth, which is what we've been dealing with for the last decade. Debt aggravates the problems caused by stagnant wage growth but ultimately, the source of the problem is wage growth, not debt.
By HasphatsAnts Go To PostSee the problem you described isn't really solved by debt forgiveness either. What you're describing is essentially the effect of stagnant wage growth, which is what we've been dealing with for the last decade. Debt aggravates the problems caused by stagnant wage growth but ultimately, the source of the problem is wage growth, not debt.A college degree is nice but debt is an active consistent snowball effect. You don't stop the bleeding with more college grads that are going to be just as screwed in the job market.
By DY_nasty Go To Postbut either way in just 10 years people are gonna be fucked and the conversation then will be handouts to survive and get by vs how to succeed and progress like previous generationsI'm already looking towards this in terms of what I can do because electing this administration was about the worst the US could do for itself in terms of tackling the problems I already listed and many more.