I think the investigation is huge in regards to optics. Even if the FBI finds nothing (likely), I'll feel muchhhhhh better about the state of fairness in our government versus the timeline where the guy gets through without a fuss after Ford's testimony.
Flake did good.
Flake did good.
FBI will say they can't find any smoking gun evidence. The fun will be when they notate all the inconsistencies he's spewed and then if that makes his whole testimony suspect (it should)
By Smokey Go To PostDemocrats wish they could obtain such solidarity in fukkeryThey all grew up jacking off to the West Wing.
They aren't built for this. Whenever they get power again, we'll see how soft they are . Doing things "the right way" and all that. Republicans might lose the House but they've already accomplished what they needed to with the courts being fucked for decades.
By FermentedFungi Go To PostThey all grew up jacking off to the West Wing.
Also, the DNC went from being run by Debbie Wasserman Schultz...
...to being run by Donna Brazile...
...to now being run by a dorky looking uber centrist named Tom Perez (another Obama special) who says it would be totally fine if there are any Democrats in the Senate who vote to accept Kavanaugh, and that such Democrats would still have the support of the party. That's on record.
This dude also thinks the only use for Bernie Sanders (who won a hefty handful of primaries and totally destroyed Hillary's clout in states she still didn't campaign in) is his list of donors.
So yeah, that's where we're at: a party so completely out of touch, it's still being run by people who got trounced by Trump (an amateur who didn't even care for having a transition team).
This is why the country is so hopeless. There aren't really two parties. They're both corporatist and capitalist, so they might as well just be one party.
By DY_nasty Go To PostNo, it's just kinda bs to act like this timeline makes any kind of sense. You have this information, present it.
Asking for an FBI investigation over and over when you didn't properly forward information is a farce man. They had Ford's situation long enough to independently vet - but somehow felt the need to keep all of that compartmentalized…. for what? We know kavanaugh is a piece of shit but either go hard on the attempt to buy time like true scumbags or don't. Got Ford up here just to get shit on.
I don't buy this. Most of these dipshits are doddering behind "ford seems credible, but we're gonna confirm anyway"
Had they brought this up earlier they would've killed it in any number of ways. Of all the ways this could have played out, this was always the likely outcome but you need them to be on the record to be .
The procedural complaints about timing works with the republican base, but then again they'll buy any old bullshit so why does it matter?
By HasphatsAnts Go To PostI don't buy this. Most of these dipshits are doddering behind "ford seems credible, but we're gonna confirm anyway"be on the record for what? they've got no problem endorsing a guy who chills in high school parking lots lol. they're 'on record' not giving a fuck every day for all kinds of stuff.
Had they brought this up earlier they would've killed it in any number of ways. Of all the ways this could have played out, this was always the likely outcome but you need them to be on the record on this.
you can't morally shame people with morals profoundly different than your own. so if you're going to sabotage your own morals to take a shot at these guys, at least make it count. feinstein had knowledge on Ford, and decided to sit on it to buy time and set a stage for peak fukkery. the democrats spent days talking about not having enough time to read through thousands of pages of dossiers dumped on them at the last second man... they already did their grandstanding lol
this is just foul, halfassed ineptitude while taking a sexual assault victim along for the ride
If you're going to throw victims to the wolves you should have better fucking results at the very least. That's all I can say at the moment.
By HasphatsAnts Go To PostThe procedural complaints about timing works with the republican base, but then again they'll buy any old bullshit so why does it matter?when did feinstein know and when did Ford's vetting begin?
it matters because that's the point where you gave some moral high ground away to a group that's been dreaming of the opportunity. *IF* the desired effect here was to force a follow up investigation, it could've been done weeks ago. that's how this works. you can't complain about the urgency of newly presented information when its only new because you withheld it.
if people want to talk about "why didnt i report" too, then this is another reason - the people that are supposed to care suddenly forget and use your story as performance art
its fucked up. and if that's the game you're gonna play, cool. but if you're gonna do that shit then at least commit and make it count
She fucking knew in July!
But the whole point is that Ford did not want to come forward until much later in the process. Only until her name was leaked.
You can say, "well that's fucking convenient", but the only people making that argument are bad faith actors. If you think that argument has any currency at all, you're doing the Republicans work for them. Flat out.
If what moves you is the timing of the accusation when crux of the matter is that we're about to put a man credibly accused of sexual assault (by multiple women by the way) onto the bench, I don't know what to tell you.
This kvetching over "they should've done this, they should've done that" is asinine. Solution has always been and always will be November 6th. Flat out. Pack the goddamn courts and play for keeps
But the whole point is that Ford did not want to come forward until much later in the process. Only until her name was leaked.
You can say, "well that's fucking convenient", but the only people making that argument are bad faith actors. If you think that argument has any currency at all, you're doing the Republicans work for them. Flat out.
If what moves you is the timing of the accusation when crux of the matter is that we're about to put a man credibly accused of sexual assault (by multiple women by the way) onto the bench, I don't know what to tell you.
This kvetching over "they should've done this, they should've done that" is asinine. Solution has always been and always will be November 6th. Flat out. Pack the goddamn courts and play for keeps
Is when the democrats knew that important when the matter is that a supreme court justice nominee raped a woman (several women)? Cause I feel like we're focusing on the wrong thing here.
I go back to the types of people who are fixated on the "timing" argument, and if you think that Erick Erickson or Charles Cooke's complaints are in anyway legitimate, that's on you.
EDIT: Responding to Dy, not reilo
EDIT: Responding to Dy, not reilo
Kind of disgusted with the claim that because we're not thrilled with how the dems handle victims that we're playing into anyone's hands or assisting the GOP in any way.
If the timing of it is more important than the facts of the matter, then we are truly fucked beyond belief.
Jesus fucking christ. These are people going through hell already, one can be disgusted with all sorts of shit all at once and at varying degrees.
My original point was, verbatim
"Very little you can do when you don’t have control over WH, House, Senate, and the Courts.
If they get the house in November they have subpoena power, then you can actually do some digging"
All of it was about the outcome itself. None of that was about how Dems treated the victim.
"Very little you can do when you don’t have control over WH, House, Senate, and the Courts.
If they get the house in November they have subpoena power, then you can actually do some digging"
All of it was about the outcome itself. None of that was about how Dems treated the victim.
By Random Ass Username Go To PostKind of disgusted with the claim that because we're not thrilled with how the dems handle victims that we're playing into anyone's hands or assisting the GOP in any way.Feels like that part is being honed in on more than a man raping someone, but maybe I am misreading things?
You are fucking misreading shit. If you expect better of people and don't expect anything other than dogshit from someone else. Why the fuck would you be disappointed in the latter when that's to be expected? Is this a hard concept?
It is because it feels like the same bullshit people use when they throw shit out like "why didn't she come forward when it happened some decades ago? Feels rather opportunistic!"
Same line of thinking, quite fucking hypocritical, but do you.
Same line of thinking, quite fucking hypocritical, but do you.
And to clarify my point: if the appointment rests on the timing of the revelation rather than the facts of it, then that's the fucked up part.
By HasphatsAnts Go To PostI go back to the types of people who are fixated on the "timing" argument, and if you think that Erick Erickson or Charles Cooke's complaints are in anyway legitimate, that's on you.the timing is an issue because information was plainly withheld. Hell, you're not even denying it either lol
EDIT: Responding to Dy, not reilo
So if you choose not to care, that's cool too man. Your point of having people on record makes no sense to me though. The GOP isn't hiding themselves on anything. The Dems already did their "we need more info" grandstanding before this started. They've committed to letting Ford's sexual assault be a national talking point for nothing other than hopes that it buys time and appearances. If that doesn't bother you, *okay* but let's not act like it isn't obvious and disgusting but worst of all not even that effective.
If they wanted a proper investigation, Ford wouldn't even be known to anyone at all. Even if the leak was a genuine leak (lol) then there were no real attempts beforehand to do things right.
By reilo Go To PostIs when the democrats knew that important when the matter is that a supreme court justice nominee raped a woman (several women)? Cause I feel like we're focusing on the wrong thing here.Hey for some people, protecting sexual assault victims is kinda assumed to be a priority.
Reilo you're waaaaay off on this one lol. The timing of the accusation isn't the issue at all. It's the fact that the Dems had the accusation and didn't do shit with it until Ford became Ms America
I thought the priority was not letting someone get away with raping people.
Hell, the fact that the worst Kavanaugh is facing is not receiving a promotion rather than go to jail makes me pretty damn angry.
Hell, the fact that the worst Kavanaugh is facing is not receiving a promotion rather than go to jail makes me pretty damn angry.
By DY_nasty Go To PostReilo you're waaaaay off on this one lol. The timing of the accusation isn't the issue at all. It's the fact that the Dems had the accusation and didn't do shit with it until Ford became Ms AmericaPlaying into the GOP's hands by focusing on that imo
By DY_nasty Go To Postthe timing is an issue because information was plainly withheld. Hell, you're not even denying it either lol
So if you choose not to care, that's cool too man. Your point of having people on record makes no sense to me though. The GOP isn't hiding themselves on anything. The Dems already did their "we need more info" grandstanding before this started. They've committed to letting Ford's sexual assault be a national talking point for nothing other than hopes that it buys time and appearances. If that doesn't bother you, *okay* but let's not act like it isn't obvious and disgusting but worst of all not even that effective.
No we already know they don't care about sexual assault, or else our president wouldn't be sitting in the oval office. But there remains an illusion across many in the general liberal sphere that the courts are above petty partisanship.
This is what needs to be on the record. Republicans have been embedding political operatives into our circuit courts for decades and it's time liberals recognized it for what it is.
If they wanted a proper investigation, Ford wouldn't even be known to anyone at all.OK, count me as extremely dubious of this assumption
By reilo Go To PostI thought the priority was not letting someone get away with raping people.That's a remarkably dumbed down version of what addressing sexual assault is, yes lol
Hell, the fact that the worst Kavanaugh is facing is not receiving a promotion rather than go to jail makes me pretty damn angry.
But if someone runs up to you asking for help, I'm sure you wouldn't set up a camera, throw on your best outfit, then wait for proper lighting before making sure they're safe - am I right?
People eventually get to putting the bad guys away, great, but if you're not protecting victims then you are - as I said - half assing it. And after a certain point you go from being naive to a full scumbag for it.
By DY_nasty Go To PostThat's a remarkably dumbed down version of what addressing sexual assault is, yes lol
But if someone runs up to you asking for help, I'm sure you wouldn't set up a camera, throw on your best outfit, then wait for proper lighting before making sure they're safe - am I right?
People eventually get to putting the bad guys away, great, but if you're not protecting victims then you are - as I said - half assing it. And after a certain point you go from being naive to a full scumbag for it.
In a vacuum I don't disagree but we're talking about things they could've done to affect outcome and whatever you're describing is not it.
Yes, it's more humane for the victim and they should all be doing that. But would we all still be here on September 28, 2018? Absolutely.
Its a matter of priorities.
and if 'shaming the GOP' is your priority then you may as well add that to the book of Thoughts and Prayers
edit: its like when people dont get why those "ally" pins are horseshit and a clear reason why no one wants to fuck with you
and if 'shaming the GOP' is your priority then you may as well add that to the book of Thoughts and Prayers
edit: its like when people dont get why those "ally" pins are horseshit and a clear reason why no one wants to fuck with you
By Fenderputty Go To Post
Hahaha this is good
This is amazing. My bet would be Sunhi or FF lol
By DY_nasty Go To PostIts a matter of priorities.
and if 'shaming the GOP' is your priority then you may as well add that to the book of Thoughts and Prayers
edit: its like when people dont get why those "ally" pins are horseshit and a clear reason why no one wants to fuck with you
Shaming the GOP is at the bottom of the list of priorities? Since, you know, they're incapable of it?
Like, priority number one is getting your base to understand that the only currency the other side respects is power, and whatever mealy-mouthed, "let's come together and heal as a nation", cockamamie idea some liberals have in their heads is inane and dumb.
Yikes @ priority #1... Well, if you're gonna greater good it as a priority (again instead of moving immediately on behalf of all involved lol) then win or you really, really fuck things up.
And btw, the more high profile a case/investigation becomes the harder it becomes to carry it out effectively. So like... Okay 😶 Hope it works
And btw, the more high profile a case/investigation becomes the harder it becomes to carry it out effectively. So like... Okay 😶 Hope it works
In the past year there has been
The Charlottesville incident where Trump excused white supremacists
Child concentration camps where they separated immigrant children from their parents, with molestation cases and some children possibly not meeting up with their parents again
And now excusing a rapist because they want to push him quicker into the Supreme Court
What else did I miss.
The Charlottesville incident where Trump excused white supremacists
Child concentration camps where they separated immigrant children from their parents, with molestation cases and some children possibly not meeting up with their parents again
And now excusing a rapist because they want to push him quicker into the Supreme Court
What else did I miss.
That got me thinking, if Donald came out as gay would that finally be what got Republicans to turn on him
By RobNBanks Go To PostThat got me thinking, if Donald came out as gay would that finally be what got Republicans to turn on himAt this point it would be if Donald Trump killed a man by decapitation, shitting down his neck while screaming that he is Jesus and he is filling the man with his love.
By Perfect Blue Go To PostThis is the weirdest remake of Brokeback Mountain ever.
By RobNBanks Go To PostThat got me thinking, if Donald came out as gay would that finally be what got Republicans to turn on him
They'd be repressing the memory of all the behind-doors dick sucking that they had to do to progress in politics.
I thought "he left the sunken place". Lmao. The rebranding that actually isn't rebranding a damn thing.
By EldritchTrapStar Go To PostI thought "he left the sunken place". Lmao. The rebranding that actually isn't rebranding a damn thing.Dude probably doesnt take his meds under the advice of his spiritual advisor or some shit
Is that supposed to be a skit about the whole George Bush doesn’t like black people or is life just one big show?
By RobNBanks Go To PostIs that supposed to be a skit about the whole George Bush doesn’t like black people or is life just one big show?No, he's just crazy.