By Dark PhaZe Go To PostIt's nearly impossible for the next democratic president to not win based off of strong "socialist" policy.This. The word has too much negative connotation in American society. If Jesus came back today and said he is a socialist, Christianity would burn within months.
The irony of it all is the people who hate socialism most don't want you touching their SS or medicare.
If there is ever a time when sifting through garbage news and being open/researching people's policies is needed, it's right now.
"If conservatives get their way, President Trump will add twice as many lifetime members to the federal judiciary in the next 12 months (650) as Barack Obama named in eight years (325). American law will never be the same."
"As a result, by sometime next year, 1 in 8 cases filed in federal court will be heard by a judge picked by Trump. Many of these judges will likely still be serving in 2050."
America had a good run, I mean...it didn't but you get what I'm saying.
By The Frankman Go To PostIf there is ever a time when sifting through garbage news and being open/researching people's policies is needed, it's right now.for real. scrutinize this info lol
peter jennings is rolling in his grave
By Dark PhaZe Go To PostIt's nearly impossible for the next democratic president to not win based off of strong "socialist" policy.
Ehh ... ‘murica s hate taxes even though they like policy ideas
Gonna have to agree with Fender, just look at the state of public schools even in so called liberal areas.
By Random Ass Username Go To PostGonna have to agree with Fender, just look at the state of public schools even in so called liberal areas.
I think part of it is just cultural. We grow up in school hearing "no taxation without representation" and the Boston Tea Party and such and I think we build a negative connotation towards taxation before someone is even capable of processing why taxes are needed and what those taxes pay for. Add in any family pressures and it becomes worse. Then you sprinkle in a lack of education and we get "keep government out of my medicare" type people.
It doesn't really help that a lot of our taxes do go to frankly useless things too which only makes people feel more compelled to shit on 'em.
By Moris Go To Post
"If conservatives get their way, President Trump will add twice as many lifetime members to the federal judiciary in the next 12 months (650) as Barack Obama named in eight years (325). American law will never be the same."
"As a result, by sometime next year, 1 in 8 cases filed in federal court will be heard by a judge picked by Trump. Many of these judges will likely still be serving in 2050."
America had a good run, I mean…it didn't but you get what I'm saying.
I posted this a little on the last page, but I guess if the EO makes them removable from the executive office than the next pres can clean house?
By Random Ass Username Go To PostIt doesn't really help that a lot of our taxes do go to frankly useless things too which only makes people feel more compelled to shit on 'em.
Yes ... waste an bureaucracy add to the problem, though I think that issue is exacerbated by the things I brought up.
Also just blatant corruption and malfeasance. It's not like Superintendents of schools haven't been caught dipping or are just generally overpaid in all kinds of comped shit while teachers buy the damn paper, toner and pencils.
The issue is that a centrist President is far less likely to be comfortable with the aggressive sort of politics that have to be played now to have any measure of success. That's ultimately why dems are going to keep veering left. "I'm going to follow and or set awful precedents in order to...go back to a more civil and moderate form of governance" is an extremely hard sell against the opposing side who is willing to burn it all down make their base happy.
Socialism isn't nearly the demon you guys are making it out to be either lol--not that it even has to be sold with that moniker. Bernie took 43 percent of the vote in the primaries, then Clinton proceeded to hijack a lot of his policy to go on and win the popular vote. The idea that all social policies would require an insane tax jump for every American is also a fallacy. On the opposite side of the spectrum, Trump already hacked a bunch of government programs to bits and redistributed money for shit that barely did the average American any favors.
Socialism isn't nearly the demon you guys are making it out to be either lol--not that it even has to be sold with that moniker. Bernie took 43 percent of the vote in the primaries, then Clinton proceeded to hijack a lot of his policy to go on and win the popular vote. The idea that all social policies would require an insane tax jump for every American is also a fallacy. On the opposite side of the spectrum, Trump already hacked a bunch of government programs to bits and redistributed money for shit that barely did the average American any favors.
The worst part about Bernie losing the primary is that people get to pretend America isn’t as bad as it actually is. Bernie vs Trump is probably the most dominant victory in election history for Trump
By Random Ass Username Go To PostExplain Welfare Reform. @Phaze.
be more specific
By Dark PhaZe Go To PostThe issue is that a centrist President is far less likely to be comfortable with the aggressive sort of politics that have to be played now to have any measure of success. That's ultimately why dems are going to keep veering left. "I'm going to follow and or set awful precedents in order to…go back to a more civil and moderate form of governance" is an extremely hard sell against the opposing side who is willing to burn it all down make their base happy.
Socialism isn't nearly the demon you guys are making it out to be either lol–not that it even has to be sold with that moniker. Bernie took 43 percent of the vote in the primaries, then Clinton proceeded to hijack a lot of his policy to go on and win the popular vote. The idea that all social policies would require an insane tax jump for every American is also a fallacy. On the opposite side of the spectrum, Trump already hacked a bunch of government programs to bits and redistributed money for shit that barely did the average American any favors.
The most important socialist policy that needs implementing is universal healthcare. Either going single payer or some form of heavily subsidized multiplayer with a public option. Both would require taxes go up and not just a little. There's an argument to be made that personal contributions per paycheck could offset that increase, but not an easy argument to sell to people in this country.
By Dark PhaZe Go To Postbe more specificDo I really need to? It's a counterpoint to your people actually really don't hate socialism as much as y'all think paradigm, especially the bipartisan nature of it.
By Random Ass Username Go To PostDo I really I need to? It's a counterpoint to your people actually really don't hate socialism as much as y'all think paradigm, especially the bipartisan nature of it.
Racism is a motherfucker and is definitely a component to this beyond just political conditioning.
By Dark PhaZe Go To PostThe issue is that a centrist President is far less likely to be comfortable with the aggressive sort of politics that have to be played now to have any measure of success.I’m giving up on America until you guys finally elect Chuck D president.
By s y Go To Post
Thoughts on this take?
Thank God for the youtube tumbnails cuz that tells me all I need to know bout this..............video.
By livefromkyoto Go To PostI’m giving up on America until you guys finally elect Chuck D president.
Naw.
America will never be equal till we get a Nigga named Leroy with a Jeri Curl who post on the coil (that has to be his full name) to be president.
By Fenderputty Go To PostRacism is a motherfucker and is definitely a component to this beyond just political conditioning.This coupled with the continued idea that any sort of assistance should have all sorts of strings attached including labor even when the people on the receiving end are physically challenged in a myriad of ways is why America kind of stays trash. Working for peanuts isn't the end all be all of being a "productive member" of society. Hell even that whole train of logic is toxic in and of itself, that labor is the only contribution people can possibly give to society. We need to get away from that quick (but we fucking wont) just based on the fact that jobs as we know it are disappearing fast. It's also quite, to be frank, proletariat mind prison shit, plenty of people don't work and sit on trust funds and just reinvest money, own property they can rent, have a stake in some company, stocks, etc. The fact that we can't have real discussions on people who luck into a bunch of money by accident of birth and they get to be the ones to be throwing stones and continually demanding a labor force is well, why humanity will continue to disappoint me.
That's cool or whatever but we can't even manage single payer or not exploiting the terminally ill or dead (and their fam) for money, so when I get told people don't mind a bit of socialism I just don't buy it. The last democrat who even really talked about the poor was LBJ with the Great Society, since then it's been shitting all over 'em and telling people to "get a job."
By YungMagus Go To PostNaw.I have more faith in a cabinet full of S1Ws than Coli randos. And Professor Griff as education secretary. Anthrax can all get important positions just to keep white people from freaking out all the way.
America will never be equal till we get a Nigga named Leroy with a Jeri Curl who post on the coil (that has to be his full name) to be president.
By YungMagus Go To PostThank God for the youtube tumbnails cuz that tells me all I need to know bout this…………..video.idk, i think he's on to something.
By livefromkyoto Go To PostI have more faith in a cabinet full of S1Ws than Coli randos. And Professor Griff as education secretary. Anthrax can all get important positions just to keep white people from freaking out all the way.
True.
But my idea wasn't bout havin faith nor a good job.
But rather having 'merica feel what we have felt with this oranges fucker let them know that they had it REALLY good with Obama.
Just reading the BBCs article about Stormy Daniels being arrested
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44804597
America, why are you so weird?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44804597
An Ohio law known as the Community Defense Act proscribes anyone touching a nude or semi-nude dancer, unless they are related.
America, why are you so weird?
That is both the most ridiculous and scary story of the day because you know that the only reason she was arrested was because of her case against the president.
Yeah its like a sinister KGB operation except she is going to be out in a few hours rather than getting put to work in a gulag.
By Laboured Go To Post
Hey but at least they've denuclearized
The judge's dissenting opinion is a hell of a read (starts on page 25): http://www.opn.ca6.uscourts.gov/opinions.pdf/18a0333n-06.pdf
The headline you may see quoted is this:
The headline you may see quoted is this:
The majority opinion today holds that police can shoot and kill a non-fleeing suspect who is already gravely wounded even when there is no immediate threat to the officers or the public.
By Random Ass Username Go To PostDo enough reading you'll find that a bunch of democrats managed to get ahead in life by vilifying any sort of leftists as "commies" and ratting them out to the feds. As a result a lot of the left in the U.S. is very much dead at least when it comes to political capital. Many people were black listed, kicked out of their Uni jobs, and all sorts of shit. A lot of democrats will paint it as just a GOP/McCarthy thing but a bunch of established Dems basically made their careers on throwing leftists under the bus too. As a result you get a country that's quite rightist and can't imagine not being a capitalist shilling hell hole.I get that, liberals/centrists have always been to chickenshit to side with the left in fear that they'll be marked as commies, it really is just an extension of "both sides" mentality.
Any Democrat running for 2020 needs run on Medicare for All, actually talk about jobs (unlike Hilldawg), Abolish ICE at the very least. We live in a post Trump world, like it or not he did run on a lot of (corrupted and misconstrued) populist ideas. Late Capitalism is failing a lot of society and many people are willing to vote for any sort of change, that's why there was so many Obama voters who went with Trump... they just see a system that's not working for them and are willing to vote for anyone who is going to "shake things up". This is the time for any sort of socialist movement to take hold in concrete politics.
It's hilarious watching the centrist dems go on about how socialism is going to lose everything for the left when their chickenshit pussy footing has lost them all branches of the federal government and the majority of state offices.
By DY_nasty Go To PostAbolish ice and you get something worseUnder Trump sure, that's why it would be abolished under a new president.
ICE has the lowest standards for their agents and was only a recent creation. ICE is an poorly run and can't even (or willing doesn't want to) keep track of kids, not to mention their unlawful, such as entering homes without warrants, and cruel tactics.
No, like in general. There was a lot of truly good work done a few decades ago and a lot of those things still govern or at the least provide oversight/accountability regarding organizations. As the game changes and issues become more complex, it becomes drastically more difficult to attach appropriate guidelines.
It doesn't always equal boogieman tactics either. If you give or encourage a massive change to structures, you're also discarding all of the restrictions in place that control it. The newer organizations or processes that then fill the gap are almost never better. Reducing powers granted to Border Patrol has already turned into a massive power grab and consolidation under more direct military control. People need to stop asking for overhaul and instead demand accountability and responsible handling.
It's even worse than people think. Instead of enabling third party private institutions to police government as a sort of extension of the people, the exact opposite takes place. Private organizations are openly able to accept government money in order to dance outside the lines.
People in the past worked hard not to create these things specifically, but to ensure agencies were never able to veer too far off the rails. Ironically, ICE isn't even doing that (at least not to the extent that people believe). But immigration acts and stuff from ages ago isn't going to be able to keep up with the times forever. The rulebook needs to be enforced, and updated more than anything.
It doesn't always equal boogieman tactics either. If you give or encourage a massive change to structures, you're also discarding all of the restrictions in place that control it. The newer organizations or processes that then fill the gap are almost never better. Reducing powers granted to Border Patrol has already turned into a massive power grab and consolidation under more direct military control. People need to stop asking for overhaul and instead demand accountability and responsible handling.
It's even worse than people think. Instead of enabling third party private institutions to police government as a sort of extension of the people, the exact opposite takes place. Private organizations are openly able to accept government money in order to dance outside the lines.
People in the past worked hard not to create these things specifically, but to ensure agencies were never able to veer too far off the rails. Ironically, ICE isn't even doing that (at least not to the extent that people believe). But immigration acts and stuff from ages ago isn't going to be able to keep up with the times forever. The rulebook needs to be enforced, and updated more than anything.
poorly run and can't even (or willing doesn't want to) keep track of kids, not to mention their unlawful, such as entering homes without warrants, and cruel tactics.We're talking about just ice?
The rulebook can be updated and enforced. ICE should still be abolished, this agency has showed how ill equip it is to deal with many situations and has turned into gestapo that will only get worse under Trump. Most of what they've done is target people who've been working for many years, separating families and going after non-violent immigrants without any discretion. ICE is just one tool at the disposal of Trump and his insidious cabinet. Arguing for why it needs to stay intact is similar to saying that we should have medicare for all because it would disrupt the healthcare industry.
Along with that should be the complete stop of government funding for any sort of private prison, obviously with money in play this will be harder to do but there's a direct line from ice detentions to private prisons.
Along with that should be the complete stop of government funding for any sort of private prison, obviously with money in play this will be harder to do but there's a direct line from ice detentions to private prisons.
By s y Go To PostWe're talking about just ice?The police state in general.
You really can't do both. It's hard enough keeping regulations up to date, relevant, and in place at the federal and at the same time enforce those standards with the necessary discretion below.
It's also unfair to level all of these complaints on ICE. They aren't the only agency or organization holding people indefinitely and the powers that allow them to do so exist in many forms elsewhere as well. Even Chicago PD was working blacksites - and on actual citizens.
The problem with border patrol and immigration response for many is the fact that you're forced to be the first point of contact with peoples with literally nothing to their names but word of mouth and whatever materials you find on them at the time. You can imagine how much more complicated things become as you try to arrange holding, immediate healthcare, security, and arrangements stateside/abroad. You don't just scrape entire entities off the board, wipe your hands,
Also, this is not a police state. It's an overbloated, disorganized mess that also happens to be heartily weaponized both literally and figuratively.
It's also unfair to level all of these complaints on ICE. They aren't the only agency or organization holding people indefinitely and the powers that allow them to do so exist in many forms elsewhere as well. Even Chicago PD was working blacksites - and on actual citizens.
The problem with border patrol and immigration response for many is the fact that you're forced to be the first point of contact with peoples with literally nothing to their names but word of mouth and whatever materials you find on them at the time. You can imagine how much more complicated things become as you try to arrange holding, immediate healthcare, security, and arrangements stateside/abroad. You don't just scrape entire entities off the board, wipe your hands,
Also, this is not a police state. It's an overbloated, disorganized mess that also happens to be heartily weaponized both literally and figuratively.
By Random Ass Username Go To PostI hope the GOP keeps having bullshit hearings and insulting the FBI. The optics there, amazing.
It’s fucking wild.