By Method Go To PostThis show is nuts!I had my first HBO Now hiccup last night on PS4. It paused just before stuff kicked off in the arena. I stopped and started and it was fine.
By s y Go To PostYes?
We're gonna have to disagree then.
By EldritchTrapStar Go To PostHoe ass LF going out crying was jokes. "I loved your mother. GUARD! It was all for you Sansa. GUARD!""Oh you mean Treason Treason!? GUARD"
Cersei being the ultimate big bad is cool, but she's lowkey fucked without Jaime. Time will tell if he snitches. Speaking of, Tyrion can't possibly be stupid enough to believe she's going to honor that truce. Chick blew everyone up without a second thought.
Seto Night King really got a blue eyes white dragon. Team white walker is looking strong af.
Tormund made it, right? :(
Bronn getting his drinking buddy the fuck out when he there was a high chance of shit going down was pretty good
By Lunatic Go To Posthttps://i.imgur.com/a9vTmSu.jpg
fuuck lol
Good piece:
The White Walkers have been a part of “Game of Thrones” since the very first scene of the pilot, but they’ve now become a threat so great that they could potentially ruin the entire series.
The main problem is inherently simple: The White Walkers are the most one-note interpretation of evil imaginable. They don’t have a Darth Vader, which transformed the battle between good and evil in “Star Wars” into a compelling family melodrama, nor do they have a One Ring, which was constantly testing the loyalties at the center of “The Lord of the Rings.” The White Walkers are bad and very deadly; that’s about as interesting as they get, which is a huge problem now that they’ve become the primary antagonist of the entire series with just six episodes left to go.
“Game of Thrones” has always been at its best when emphasizing its political chess game for power. It’s the reason the highlight of the Season 7 finale wasn’t the destruction of Eastwatch, but the Dragonpit meeting between Cersei, Jon, Daenerys, Tyrion, and a host of other major characters. Watching Tyrion and Cersei maneuver the logistics of their truce while working through their history of hatred for one another was “Thrones” at its most compelling. But such actions hardly matter when you have thousands of dead men posing a threat the series can no longer top.
The more I read about Martins beliefs, the more I don't think it will be a straighforward conclusion.
I don't think the WWs are the evil that they are made out to be.
I don't think the WWs are the evil that they are made out to be.
By Shanks D Zoro Go To PostThe more I read about Martins beliefs, the more I don't think it will be a straighforward conclusion.
I don't think the WWs are the evil that they are made out to be.
Think it depends how drastically the show deviates from Martin.
Well the walkers only have 6 episodes of development left so good luck with that.
So season 7 is the second worst of the series, right?
So season 7 is the second worst of the series, right?
Everyone's your enemy, everyone's your friend.
Guess Littlefinger didn't take his own advice. Being fair--there's probably no evidence without Bran and it was something he couldn't anticipate.
Guess Littlefinger didn't take his own advice. Being fair--there's probably no evidence without Bran and it was something he couldn't anticipate.
By Dark PhaZe Go To PostEveryone's your enemy, everyone's your friend.It was really out of character for LF not to bolt out of Winterfell the moment Bran repeated the chaos is a ladder line.
Guess Littlefinger didn't take his own advice. Being fair–there's probably no evidence without Bran and it was something he couldn't anticipate.
You can say he loved Sansa or whatever but dude cares about himself more than anything else.
I don't think the White Walkers are the main antagonist. Usually, a big bad villain has that "omg how do we stop them" vibe but the walkers don't have that. Jon goes on about that's the only war that matters but I think it's more to just build up his character as being a true leader and less about it actually being what matters. It's to show that even under the threat of annihilation, Cersei is still just like her father and only cares about her family.
We've already seen Jon kill like 3 white walkers with a regular sword, dragon glass also does the job and then lastly there are two fucking dragons that breathe fire, another weakness. We also know that when you kill a walker, everything they raised/turned also dies. We know all their weaknesses and so do the characters but GRRM had to write them to have amnesia.
Also IIRC, when Sam is at The Citadel and he keeps trying to get them to take the white walkers serious, his arch maester more eloquently says "they ain't shit, they've never been shit or wouldn't be here"
We've already seen Jon kill like 3 white walkers with a regular sword, dragon glass also does the job and then lastly there are two fucking dragons that breathe fire, another weakness. We also know that when you kill a walker, everything they raised/turned also dies. We know all their weaknesses and so do the characters but GRRM had to write them to have amnesia.
Also IIRC, when Sam is at The Citadel and he keeps trying to get them to take the white walkers serious, his arch maester more eloquently says "they ain't shit, they've never been shit or wouldn't be here"
John's sword isn't regular, it is Valyrian steel.
The characters only found their weaknesses because they had to find them out in battle for the most part.
The maesters don't believe in the WW is the impression I got, they ain't interested in flearning about a mythical enemy.
The characters only found their weaknesses because they had to find them out in battle for the most part.
The maesters don't believe in the WW is the impression I got, they ain't interested in flearning about a mythical enemy.
on a seperate note Jon being named Aegon is lame af
should have been Jaehaerys
and apparently we might have to wait until 2019 for this shit wtf
should have been Jaehaerys
and apparently we might have to wait until 2019 for this shit wtf
By n8 dogg Go To PostGood piece:I've said it before, but it's worth reiterating: Benioff and Weiss should've brought the White Walkers south of the Wall sooner.
They could've contracted the Bran storyline in seasons 3-6 to get him south quicker (for example, in season 5), used him as the key to bringing down the Wall, and employed the White Walkers as an existential threat within the interstices of all of the political drama. Stannis burning Shereen would've been more desperate and understandable; Jon's death and resurrection could've been enhanced by situating it in this context; Ramsay could've had some redeeming qualities woven into his flat character, while the Sansa-marries-Ramsay storyline could've been avoided; the northern lords who joined Ramsay's cause could've had more reason than malice, spite, and thirst for vengeance; the entire contrived "Beyond the Wall" expedition this season would've been avoided; Daenery's encounter with the White Walker threat could've been made more organic, and Cersei's terror in the face of it would emerge more realistically; etc.
And if there is to be some revelation about their motives, as Shanks and many others have predicted, more time should've been provided for it. Leaving all of this to the final 8% of episodes is terrible narrative structure - not interesting convention-flipping structure; just terrible.
By Dark PhaZe Go To Poston a seperate note Jon being named Aegon is lame afwtf where you see that? my gf told me that yesterday but i didn't believe her.
should have been Jaehaerys
and apparently we might have to wait until 2019 for this shit wtf
i imagine D&D wanna get started and their neo nazi show already so wouldn't they want to wrap up GoT asap?
6 episodes at 80+ minutes each = 480 minutes.
LOTR movies = 558 minutes.
if they want to give backstory to the white walkers, they totally can; have plenty of time to do so. I just think D&D don't give a f*ck about the deeper fantasy elements of this story and that sucks. would take about 30 minutes to give the white walkers a legit back story but they just don't want to do it cuz they think people don't care. THEY DO you jerks!
LOTR movies = 558 minutes.
if they want to give backstory to the white walkers, they totally can; have plenty of time to do so. I just think D&D don't give a f*ck about the deeper fantasy elements of this story and that sucks. would take about 30 minutes to give the white walkers a legit back story but they just don't want to do it cuz they think people don't care. THEY DO you jerks!
By Method Go To Post6 episodes at 80+ minutes each = 480 minutes.
LOTR movies = 558 minutes.
if they want to give backstory to the white walkers, they totally can; have plenty of time to do so. I just think D&D don't give a f*ck about the deeper fantasy elements of this story and that sucks. would take about 30 minutes to give the white walkers a legit back story but they just don't want to do it cuz they think people don't care. THEY DO you jerks!
If the backstory of the WW is Bran is the Night King, then it makes sense to leave it to the final few episodes.
By Shanks D Zoro Go To PostIf the backstory of the WW is Bran is the Night King, then it makes sense to leave it to the final few episodes.
this theory is dumb lol--we literally saw the origin of the night king on the show--it's really not any more complicated than that
By Dark PhaZe Go To Postthis theory is dumb lol–we literally saw the origin of the night king on the show–it's really not any more complicated than thatThe theory is that Bran warged into that dude and tried to make something happen to change that sequence and he ended up being stuck as the Night King
By n8 dogg Go To PostGood piece:
This article seems to assume we won't get more info on the backstory of the WW and their motivations. I already take issue with them being purely "evil". They're a creation of the children of the forest gone wild and it looks like the first one is taking it personal. Dude had that dagger straight shoved into his heart.
Who was that guy though? Does it matter?
By flinbad the flailer Go To PostI've said it before, but it's worth reiterating: Benioff and Weiss should've brought the White Walkers south of the Wall sooner.
They could've contracted the Bran storyline in seasons 3-6 to get him south quicker (for example, in season 5), used him as the key to bringing down the Wall, and employed the White Walkers as an existential threat within the interstices of all of the political drama.
That's like missing the entire point of the WW. They're meant to unify men regardless of the political drama. It's meant to make Stannis's burning of his daughter seem trivial in comparison. It seems like you want a different story, honestly.
By Dark PhaZe Go To Postthis theory is dumb lol–we literally saw the origin of the night king on the show–it's really not any more complicated than that
Some have speculated that maybe that Is Bran, given his ability to go back and interact with the past. Plus the way that scene was shot with Bran feeling really connected to it.
By Method Go To Post6 episodes at 80+ minutes each = 480 minutes.It isn't necessarily an issue of raw time, but of narrative structure and balance. If Sauron only sent forces out of Mordor in the final 8% of the trilogy, after the Fellowship had been gallivanting around Middle Earth on myriad other adventures for the first 92%, the threat of Sauron wouldn't've been nearly as menacing.
LOTR movies = 558 minutes.
if they want to give backstory to the white walkers, they totally can; have plenty of time to do so. I just think D&D don't give a f*ck about the deeper fantasy elements of this story and that sucks. would take about 30 minutes to give the white walkers a legit back story but they just don't want to do it cuz they think people don't care. THEY DO you jerks!
Really, this feels more like some damned JRPG where we get a final twist deep into the third act and realize that all of the previous bosses we fought were a diversion of some sort, and the real final boss is now here to destroy the world - except this is perhaps worse, because we've known this shit was coming from the first scene. The interminable march to the Wall had all the dramatic propulsion of a constipated bowel.
By flinbad the flailer Go To PostReally, this feels more like some damned JRPG where we get a final twist deep into the third act and realize that all of the previous bosses we fought were a diversion of some sort, and the real final boss is now here to destroy the world - except this is perhaps worse, because we've known this shit was coming from the first scene. The interminable march to the Wall had all the dramatic propulsion of a constipated bowel.
Which, IMO makes it a more compelling story. The viewer is caught up in all of the political drama as much as the story is. Forgetting the entire time that the real danger is just below the surface.
By Fenderputty Go To PostThe viewer is caught up in all of the political drama as much as the story is. Forgetting the entire time that the real danger is just below the surface.
What show is that?
By Fenderputty Go To PostThat's like missing the entire point of the WW. They're meant to unify men regardless of the political drama. It's meant to make Stannis's burning of his daughter seem trivial in comparison. It seems like you want a different story, honestly.Stannis's entire northern escapade was tied into the White Walker threat. I haven't rewatched the fifth season since it aired, but the lingering background justification for the haste, if I remember correctly, was the coming of winter and with it the dangers of the far north. Suggesting he burned her for a single battle or lone castle is a superficial reading of everything that happened. Combine the extremity of his choice with the tangibility of White Walker invasion, and it wouldn't feel quite as implausible and forced as it did.
I understand what the purpose of the White Walkers is. In fact, even if I'd been a complete imbecile while viewing the show up to this point, season 7 would've so relentlessly bludgeoned me with the theme as to make even a fool like me aware of such thematic justification. I'm not arguing against the concept of the story; I'm arguing against how it has been realized within the poor writing of this show the past few seasons.
Not everyone needed to encounter them simultaneously; White Walkers and their army of the dead rolling down Westeros would have effects on the characters' stories it touched along the way and would concurrently increase the dramatic weight of other characters continuing to disregard it.
By Fenderputty Go To PostWhich, IMO makes it a more compelling story. The viewer is caught up in all of the political drama as much as the story is. Forgetting the entire time that the real danger is just below the surface.The "real danger" isn't compelling. That's the problem.
By Shanks D Zoro Go To PostSome have speculated that maybe that Is Bran, given his ability to go back and interact with the past. Plus the way that scene was shot with Bran feeling really connected to it.
My issue with this is "intent". It's a clear as day break in the logical timeline structure this story uses for it's time travel. The way time works in this is that Bran can't knowingly change time. Even when he fucks up Hodor, he had no idea he would do it nor that it would result in Hodor only being able to say Hodor. It just happened in the natural flow of things.
So if Bran is the WW, it has to happen in a way similar to how he fucked Hodor up. He can't know he was going to do it when traveling back in time to that moment again. He can't warg into the night king thinking he can save the day and change the outcome. Because he literally can't and he knows this. Warging into the night king would never result in him not being created. The timelines are set.
IE: Stupid theory that if it materializes ruins the consistent time logic used to date.
By s y Go To Post
What show is that?
The show most of America fell in love with? I remember articles about people upset at the season 4 ending with Bran battling those reanimated skeletons. The country fell in love with the political drama. Fantasy has never been mainstream.
By flinbad the flailer Go To PostNot everyone needed to encounter them simultaneously; White Walkers and their army of the dead rolling down Westeros would have effects on the characters' stories it touched along the way and would concurrently increase the dramatic weight of other characters continuing to disregard it.
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I think you're massively underselling the danger the WW presents if you think the story would make a lick of sense having them show up earlier in the series. Humans fighting political fights and suffering losses all while being consumed and reanimated by the dead would make for a short series. Zombie apocalypse. Thee point is to have the humans unite before they come. That was John's whole story arc north of the wall uniting the wildlings. That was the point of him reuniting the north. That's the point of him going to Dany when he knows it's not prudent considering the politics. Like ... this is a consistent theme. Unite humanity regarding of politics due to the impending doom. If you can spread the doom out over 4 seasons it seems no more impending than any human army.
By Fenderputty Go To PostMy issue with this is "intent". It's a clear as day break in the logical timeline structure this story uses for it's time travel. The way time works in this is that Bran can't knowingly change time. Even when he fucks up Hodor, he had no idea he would do it nor that it would result in Hodor only being able to say Hodor. It just happened in the natural flow of things.
So if Bran is the WW, it has to happen in a way similar to how he fucked Hodor up. He can't know he was going to do it when traveling back in time to that moment again. He can't warg into the night king thinking he can save the day and change the outcome. Because he literally can't and he knows this. Warging into the night king would never result in him not being created. The timelines are set.
IE: Stupid theory that if it materializes ruins the consistent time logic used to date.
The show most of America fell in love with? I remember articles about people upset at the season 4 ending with Bran battling those reanimated skeletons. The country fell in love with the political drama. Fantasy has never been mainstream.
Good points.
I just like the idea that during the darkest hour of the war. Bran travels back to try and change shit, but gets stuck as the Night King. Bran loses his shit and turns everything into ice. Calms down a bit and builds the wall to keep himself out. However, over the years he sees how evil man is and that they need to be wiped out. Can spent a whole episode on Bran's life over the years as the Night King watching and building his army.
Stupid theory :p
By Shanks D Zoro Go To PostGood points.
I just like the idea that during the darkest hour of the war. Bran travels back to try and change shit, but gets stuck as the Night King.
Quoth the three eyed raven:
"The past is already written. The ink is dry."
Proponents of the theory are actually assuming the Three Eyed Raven lied to Bran here. But, Bran himself has never said he can see the future, only the present and the past.
By Fenderputty Go To PostThe show most of America fell in love with? I remember articles about people upset at the season 4 ending with Bran battling those reanimated skeletons. The country fell in love with the political drama. Fantasy has never been mainstream.Weren't you saying that the story going on right now is more compelling rather than finbads alternative?
By s y Go To PostWeren't you saying that the story going on right now is more compelling rather than finbads alternative?
I am not most people. I like fantasy. I remember arguing with people upset at the supernatural route the show was taking at the end of season 4. Pointing out the death spell that was birthed from the red witches loins. lol
I actually remember wondering if the show would start to see a decline in viewership as the more supernatural elements started to come into play and then they dropped Bran entirely from the season 5 cast.
People are sucked in now. The WW doom is here, finally, and the political drama matters less.
Let's be real. The more negative reactions started when the show started bringing in more fantasy shit and the plot started becoming more focused on those elements.
The magic has never been a negative. When the Starks basically lost the war after the red wedding was when things went sideways.
I was interested in the fantasy stuff but it has gone nowhere since season 4. Its just boring.
You would think introducing it the way they did with Brans storyline that they would try to invest in it but instead they just dropped bran completely in season 5 and since then its been the jon snow show with boring cersei and dany.
You would think introducing it the way they did with Brans storyline that they would try to invest in it but instead they just dropped bran completely in season 5 and since then its been the jon snow show with boring cersei and dany.
By s y Go To PostI was interested in the fantasy stuff but it has gone nowhere since season 4. Its just boring.
You would think introducing it the way they did with Brans storyline that they would try to invest in it but instead they just dropped bran completely in season 5 and since then its been the jon snow show with boring cersei and dany.
Yeah, I really didn't like dropping Bran from season 5. Dorne sucked and bravos dragged.
Someone online was saying most of next years episodes are going to be more than 1 hour?
http://deadline.com/2017/07/season-8-game-of-thrones-episodes-could-be-feature-length-1202123353/
I guess this is where they sourced that info?
http://deadline.com/2017/07/season-8-game-of-thrones-episodes-could-be-feature-length-1202123353/
While the number of episodes has shrunk, with seven slated for the upcoming season and just six for the yet-to-be-produced final batch, Season 8, the length will likely move toward feature range of 80-plus minutes next season, according to sound designed Paula Fairfield. She said Season 7 episodes will be their customary hour-long duration, but the finale of Season 7 clocks in at 82 minutes. In Season 8, the episode could be in the 80-plus-minute range of a feature film, as series like Sherlock and Black Mirror have done.
I guess this is where they sourced that info?
By Method Go To PostAmazing episode. They Def had some dumb story lines this season but they closed them all acceptably imo.Dany can't have children.
I'm thinking Tyrion told cersei that he will make sure Cersei's baby will be the successor to Dany if Cersei agrees to the truce but now he saw aegon/Dany committing incest and is scared they may have a kid of their own. Otherwise why the fuck was he staring all pissed at the door? Lol
By reilo Go To PostDany can't have children.
Jon is giving her a baby with his lord of light sperm. The witch didn't consider that lol
By reilo Go To PostDany can't have children.Lmao
By s y Go To PostLmaoGreat contribution, bro.